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What the F is a BAT???

Indians just pull out another term from somewhere every other day.

i guess it's the nick name for what pakistan calls "non state actors" with the supporting cast of PA and guest appearance by ISI....

well the LOC flareup is insignificant, nothing will happen at least on the Indian side.
 
GALI (J&K): Amid heightened tension along the LoC, which has witnessed a spurt in ceasefire violations by Pakistan, Army on Sunday said it has inputs about Pakistan trying to engineer more Border Action Team (BAT) attacks along the border.

India has blamed BAT, which is a mix of Pakistani special forces personnel and terrorists, for the brutal killing of its two soldiers in January, one of whom was beheaded, and killing of its five personnel along the line of control in Poonch sector.

"There are inputs of such (BAT) actions. In this area they have not done anything so far. There are inputs that they are going to try something (engineer BAT attacks on the forward posts along LoC)," Brigade Commander, 120 Infantry Brigade, A Sengupta told reporters in Bhimbher Gali in Poonch sector along the LoC.

Brig Sengupta was replying to volley of questions about whether there were inputs of more BAT attacks along LoC in Poonch, increase in ceasefire violation and India's response.

"But we are ready for that (any Pakistani BAT attack)", the brigade commander said.

There have been 70 ceasefire violations by the Pakistani troops this year from January one to August 5, which is 85 per cent more than the last year during the same corresponding period, Army officials said.

The fierce exchanges in recent weeks have cast a shadow on the prospect of the 2003 Indo-Pak border truce. India and Pakistan entered into the border ceasefire as a confidence building measure during NDA rule and it will complete one decade on November 26, 2013.

The ceasefire violation have been reported on daily basis for past nine days without a break, forcing Indian troops to retaliate, officials said.

Six jawans were killed and five jawans were among nine people injured in ceasefire violations and firing by Pakistan troops on forwards post, civilian areas and patrolling parties along Indo-Pak border during August this year.

"Pakistan troops have been firing on our forward posts daily for past couple of days. They are firing intensely with mortar bomb, rockets, RPG and high calibre weaponry," Brigadier Sengupta said.

They are not only directly firing on the posts but also target civilian villages along borderline, said the officer, who looks after operation command of three-tiered fence along the LoC in Bhimber Gali sector.

"Pakistan is not showing any respect to the India-Pak ceasefire. They are violating it daily by firing at us. Where is sanctity of this truce," he said, maintaining that Indian troops have always respected the truce despite provocations in the past.

"Not only this there is also threat of Pak BAT attacks on our posts so the troops are alert and vigilant round the ****," said Col Anai Shanker of unit deployed in the border-sector.

Sengupta said the firing from Pakistani side was aimed at helping terrorists infiltrate and demoralise the troops posted along LoC. "But the morale of our troops is very high," he said.

The officer said the ceasefire violations are "very intense and totally unprovoked".

"Troops are ready to give a strong response to those firing from across. We have also strongly retaliated in these sectors — their five posts have been damaged in retaliation by us," Sengupta said.

He said officers have been asked to respond strongly and effectively.

"We have fired heavy calibre weapons from our side in retaliation. They have been firing at us for past one week without any reason with an intention to cause casualties," he said.

He said the ceasefire violations from across are due to frustration over failure of infiltration bids by terrorists. "We have major inputs that there are a large number of terrorists — from 200-300 (waiting to infiltrate)," he said.

Since August 10, the Army personnel feel that the daily Pakistani firing has brought the situation back to pre-2003 when jawans were entrenched in their mud posts with LMGs and MMGs round-the-clock to retaliate to any Pakistani provocation.

"There was not much firing from Pakistan in past years. It was once of twice in two to three months that major ceasefire violation from Pakistan took place. But this year ceasefire violations and firing has increased. We have accordingly changed our strategy of movements," a jawan said.

"We are engaged sometimes in night-long exchanges. Peace on the borders seems to have ended," Jawan Raju Singh said.
 
i guess it's the nick name for what pakistan calls "non state actors" with the supporting cast of PA and guest appearance by ISI....

Your brethren have used SSG Musa Company, Specialist 801 Mujahideen regiment, Rangers, and now BAT. Can't you guys decide?

well the LOC flareup is insignificant, nothing will happen at least on the Indian side.

It's insignificant on the Pakistani side, not the Indian. Your media is constantly warmongering, while your Army drops 800 rounds of mortars onto our territory in 3 days. While we only use small arms and LMG's, mortars have been used sparingly. Then your Brigade Commanders and Generals are visiting the border areas, Ministers giving statements, incident being used an an election cry...so much for insignificant.
 
It's insignificant on the Pakistani side, not the Indian. Your media is constantly warmongering, while your Army drops 800 rounds of mortars onto our territory in 3 days. While we only use small arms and LMG's, mortars have been used sparingly. Then your Brigade Commanders and Generals are visiting the border areas, Ministers giving statements, incident being used an an election cry...so much for insignificant.

Simple, we lost 5 soldiers!

If the lost soldiers were Pakistanis, from ZH to HS will do the same in media.
 
It's insignificant on the Pakistani side, not the Indian. Your media is constantly warmongering, while your Army drops 800 rounds of mortars onto our territory in 3 days. While we only use small arms and LMG's, mortars have been used sparingly. Then your Brigade Commanders and Generals are visiting the border areas, Ministers giving statements, incident being used an an election cry...so much for insignificant.

Its probably only a matter of time before something insignificant for India, but not so insignificant for Pakistan happens.. Will then see the reaction of Pakistani ministers, military leaders (present and ex) and self styled defence analysts about 4th generation war :)
 
So this we will be expecting them..
 
The def minister should Untie the Hands of the army lets then we will see Kisme kitna hai Dam
 
So why have things spiraled so quickly out of control?
Relax! This is nothing compared to the artillery duels which used to be commonplace pre-2004, before the so called ceasefire came into effect.

This is just frustration as the terrorists have failed miserably to infiltrate into India since the past few months in spite of covering fire on the known infiltration routes. Therefore one has stared seeing firing all along the LoC and the IB to test and gauge Indian reaction to infiltration on newer routes.

Though 81mm mortars are being used at present, the only question now is whether the responses would escalate to artillery duels as was happening earlier. If that happens, civilians on either side would be the worst affected.

Will the Bofors be used too? Now that would be real escalation! Let's wait and see!
 
naa sir, B for Baygairut for koi gairut hee nayi aa... because it's special forces mixed in between the Attacking Terrorist. Your forces not owning up of their deeds.

Sorry, we will not allow our forces to be called baghairat on this forum. So post is deleted.
 
Relax! This is nothing compared to the artillery duels which used to be commonplace pre-2004, before the so called ceasefire came into effect.

This is just frustration as the terrorists have failed miserably to infiltrate into India since the past few months in spite of covering fire on the known infiltration routes. Therefore one has stared seeing firing all along the LoC and the IB to test and gauge Indian reaction to infiltration on newer routes.

Though 81mm mortars are being used at present, the only question now is whether the responses would escalate to artillery duels as was happening earlier. If that happens, civilians on either side would be the worst affected.

Will the Bofors be used too? Now that would be real escalation! Let's wait and see!

Sounds like an explanation on what might be the reason. However I am always skeptical on what our media reports 1) They sometimes do not know what they are talking 2) They will always report our side of fire as reply.

I do not know how to find out if we started it or they started it. It is very much possible that after killing of 5 soldiers we started it as a response and then counter response. However to expect that our government or media (who gets to know from government) will claim it openly is asking for too much.

Hence, I am one of those who think I do not know what is true and do not want to balm anyone for artillery fires. On terrorist infiltration, I am fully buying Army's version.
 
What the F is a BAT???

Indians just pull out another term from somewhere every other day.

Indians have used their so called Anti Tank Guided Missile which hit a house in a village we need to deploy our Artillery and other weapons we should test all our latest Artillery on our beloved enemies

koi nai yaara, tu khush reh! You know every action has a reaction.

Your Army is targeting villagers ask them to have some honor and face our Army you first open fire but when we hit back you cry @Aeronaut @Leader @Oscar
 
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after so called bat attacks, the indians should be aware of the BURP attacks that are to followed by the HIC [as in hiccup] attacks. we might even launch the BLECH tatacks..beware......
 
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