LoC flare up: August 2013

[Aka123]

Only news in NDTV, I checked DAWN, there's no report. That means only India is reporting.If there's war scenario, both sides should report. Wondering what's going on. Anyways let's wait and watch!

 

[Parul]

@karan.1970 The Picture is from Kargil War Memorial and Names of 560 martyrs engraved on it who fought and who laid down their lives for the Nation in 1999:

This Picture is from "Veer Bhoomi " , where the epitaphs with the names of all martyrs of Kargil:

 

[karan.1970]

Denial mode 0N !!!! @Areesh they'll never accept truth ..they live in fantasy world and think IA is an army of angels including master mind of samjhauta express.

Dude.. You are really being naive here.. Just like you want to believe what your army says, we believe what our Army does.. We are enemy nations and attach no value to the words of each others' armies.. Why try to convince each other about opposite beliefs..?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...d-affect-morale-troops-cic.html#ixzz2c8ZyRVXp

Enough said..

Dude.. as I said, you should read beyond the headlines too. You will sound less naive..

. From the same article...

Ironically, most of the details which Information Commissioner ML Sharma allowed the Army to withhold are already in public domain through the official website of the Press Information Bureau, a government of India department.

 

[chauvunist]

Dude.. You are really being naive here.. Just like you want to believe what your army says, we believe what our Army does.. We are enemy nations and attach no value to the words of each others' armies.. Why try to convince each other about opposite beliefs..?



Dude.. as I said, you should read beyond the headlines too. You will sound less naive..

. From the same article...

It is yet to be released Officially...Being in Public domain does not mean it to be authentic...So again don't be so naive...

 

[karan.1970]

It is yet to be released Officially...Being in Public domain does not mean it to be authentic...So again don't be so naive...

... Read the article mate.. You are making yourself look foolish... Let me help you some more

Ironically, most of the details which Information Commissioner ML Sharma allowed the Army to withhold are already in public domain through the official website of the Press Information Bureau, a government of India department

 

[Zarvan]

NEW DELHI: For the first time in the 14 years since the 1999 war, Pakistani troops violated ceasefire in the higher reaches of Ladakh with its troops opening fire with small and automatic weapons on Indian posts in Drass and Kaksar areas of Kargil sector.

According to official sources, Pakistani troops fired with automatic weapons at Sando Post in Drass area last night which was retaliated by the Indian troops.

Tensions had shot up between India and Pakistan and the two sides were in eyeball-to-eyeball confrontation mode when Pakistani troops intruded into Kargil in 1999.

According to the sources, there was a ceasefire violation in Kaksar which falls between Drass and Kargil as Pakistani troops fired initially with small weapons and later with automatic weapons at Chenigund post on Monday night.

This area has a dominance of Pakistani troops who are perched atop the heights and can target the national highway connecting Ladakh with Kashmir.

This was the post where Lt Saurabh Kalia along with his men went missing in April 1999 and later their mutilated bodies with clear signs of torture were handed over to the Indian Army.

Pakistani troops have in recent days repeatedly violated ceasefire in Kashmir's Uri and Keran sectors and Poonch and R S Pura of Jammu region.

 

[Zarvan]

 

[Nadaan Parinda]

I wont be surprised if they were innocent kashmiris killed extra judiciously

 

[Areesh]

I have gone through the thread you listed above.

If anyone is seen crossing the LOC he is bound to be killed by IA. So their fault. If they were militants or civilians irrespective IA has to kill.

there are 100 infiltration attempts per month, and thousands of militants are killed. If this was a one off I could understand. Infiltration is a daily story. 90% of the people trying to infiltrate are militants. No wonder IA has to be on high alert and kill anyone whose movement looks suspicious.

While this was expected if you cross the border and IA did nothing wrong there. Its all the mistake of those who don't realise the sensitive nature of the border and try to go for picnic there.

but the Pakistan action was a deliberate planned action to kill Indian Army Personnel.

These two cannot be equated.

They didn't cross border. They were in Pakistani territory. Later abducted and killed in fake encounter. So it is IA who started all this violence.

 

[Areesh]

As I said before, you need to read the article that clearly says that the information CIC is talking about is already in public domain

I have read that article completely.

Ironically, most of the details which Information Commissioner ML Sharma allowed the Army to withhold are already in public domain through the official website of the Press Information Bureau, a government of India department.

Most of the details are in public domain but still some information is hidden. How much is that information which is hidden. WE don't know. May be around 100 casualties. May be 200 casualties. We don't know. Still information is hidden.

Upto you, but its ISPR who got caught out in a huge 10 year lie about Kargil...

Kargil war and this is two different incidents. Apples and oranges. So lets leave it here.

Strong enough for Pakistanis obviously who would swallow any BS that implicates India

Even more strong than that. And Indians failed to reject it with logic and proof. So it is good enough for us to accept. Don't see any reason to not to believe in it if we consider history of IA in IOK.

 

[karan.1970]

I have read that article completely.
Most of the details are in public domain but still some information is hidden. How much is that information which is hidden. WE don't know. May be around 100 casualties. May be 200 casualties. We don't know. Still information is hidden.

Not some, but a lot of information is hidden. About army operations, tactics, weapons used etc and that will stay hidden .. However casualties were declared as they happened thru official GoI channels..

Kargil war and this is two different incidents. Apples and oranges. So lets leave it here.

Goes to the credibility of ISPR statements. If they could lie about casualties 14 years back , they can do that today as well

Even more strong than that. And Indians failed to reject it with logic and proof. So it is good enough for us to accept. Don't see any reason to not to believe in it if we consider history of IA in IOK.

We dont need to reject it.. Freeing Pakistanis of the BS spread by their leaders is not our responsibility...Its between you and your leaders..

 

[Areesh]

Not some, but a lot of information is hidden. About army operations, tactics, weapons used etc and that will stay hidden .. However casualties were declared as they happened thru official GoI channels..

According to you. We don't believe that all casualties were declared. Just like you don't believe in our ISPR.

Goes to the credibility of ISPR statements. If they could lie about casualties 14 years back , they can do that today as well

If IA was involved in fake encounters in IOK so it doesn't mean all encounters were fake. Or a one or two officers were involved in R@pes in IOK doesn't mean they do it all the time. Same applies to PA. So don't compare two different incidents.

We dont need to reject it.. Freeing Pakistanis of the BS spread by their leaders is not our responsibility...Its between you and your leaders..

Not from our leaders. But a reliable news source from IOK. Which you guys have failed to reject without use of BS.

 

[Bratva]

I still remember Indian soldiers setting up fake battles through which they gained Battle medals but latter on their stints were busted. Which shows how much reliable facts and figures in public domain are of Indians

 

[karan.1970]

According to you. We don't believe that all casualties were declared. Just like you don't believe in our ISPR.

One big difference. ISPR has admitted to its lies. and the fact that they lied on purpose and not by mistake. So has your COAS of that time. And that is the reason we do not believe in your ISPR...

Its not a suspicion or a conspiracy theory. Its just that ISPR and PA lied and then later had to admit to their lies...

If IA was involved in fake encounters in IOK so it doesn't mean all encounters were fake. Or a one or two officers were involved in R@pes in IOK doesn't mean they do it all the time. Same applies to PA. So don't compare two different incidents.

Again, one big different. Fake encounters and rapes etc are individual events perpetrated by individual in the army. The statements of ISPR were official statements made by that formal organization that they themselves later admitted as intentional lies. Hence low credibility of present statements.

Not from our leaders. But a reliable news source from IOK. Which you guys have failed to reject without use of BS.

Just like you do not accept the news sources from Balochistan that we accept as reliable, we do not accept your reliable sources of Kashmir..

 

[Imran Khan]

congs to fools for opening a new front . damn loosers