LOC : 2 Indian soldiers killed

[hussain0216]

It is old, does not mean it is irrelevant.
Has Pakistan army given a cumulative list or number of casualties it suffered this year or even last year ? If yes please post it here.

The link you shared was, to Pakistan army declaring a single casualty, does that automatically mean, Pakistan army has declared all the casualties it has suffered, if and when, they have happened ?



Our objective is not let any one break the Republic of India up , including Kashmir. It now 70 years counting.

Its a gradual process

Today Kashmiris hate indians more then any time since the 90s

A free democratic vote today and India would be humiliated

 

[Osiris]

every time an India soldier die, the Indians bring up the same argument of PA not declaring its causalities ..

To point it out, posters who want to gloat or count number of deaths, that their side is not revealing theirs.

 

[Awan68]

RIP . they were doing their duty please have some respect .they don't have any personal goals .

All that BS like respecting the enemy is athing where u r encountered by an honourable enemy not a bunch of thugs who daily kill and rape ur kashmiri brothers n sistera daily across the loc. These were not civilians but representatives of the terrorist indian regime, these were the tools they used to rape pillage n kill our kin. They deserve niether mercy nor quater, these are not soldiers but goons.

 

[waz]

It is old, does not mean it is irrelevant.
Has Pakistan army given a cumulative list or number of casualties it suffered this year or even last year ? If yes please post it here.

The link you shared was, to Pakistan army declaring a single casualty, does that automatically mean, Pakistan army has declared all the casualties it has suffered, if and when, they have happened ?

Cone on, have you ever heard the term 'up to date'? You keep on referring to old news and you stated clearly that the army does not disclose casualties, I've shown you twice since that announcement it does.
As for a cumulative list it has been put up here. Let's just say it wasn't, do you honestly think that it would be that hard to go back and count the deceased as mentioned by the press releases?

 

[YeBeWarned]

To point it out, posters who want to gloat or count number of deaths, that their side is not revealing theirs.

Or to hide your own frustration , just because PA kills two of your doesn't mean they lost their own as well . Anyways as i point out its become a common practice on PDF by Indians whenever they hear news of their Soldiers got Killed on LoC, they quickly start posting those same 1-2 old links and same rusty arguments .

Yep, they multiply by 100, at least that's what Bollywood does.

Desperation and Frustration brother .. that is what they are going through, they Govt and Army promise to bring 10 heads for every fallen soldiers of theirs but unable to do so ..

 

[Osiris]

Cone on, have you ever heard the term 'up to date'? You keep on referring to old news and you stated clearly that the army does not disclose casualties, I've shown you twice since that announcement it does.
As for a cumulative list it has been put up here. Let's just say it wasn't, do you honestly think that it would be that hard to go back and count the deceased as mentioned by the press releases?

Clearly, we are not gonna agree.

But I will attempt again, here is what, I am saying.

1. Pakistan army is only selectively declaring its casualties. To which I will provide, examples of Pakistan soldiers killed on the LOC but not declared by ISPR.

2. Pakistan army refuses to give the cumulative number of its soldiers killed on the LOC, but readily gives the cumulative number of civilians killed on the LOC.

Do you disagree, with any of the above two statements ?

Or to hide your own frustration , just because PA kills two of your doesn't mean they lost their own as well . Anyways as i point out its become a common practice on PDF by Indians whenever they hear news of their Soldiers got Killed on LoC, they quickly start posting those same 1-2 old links and same rusty arguments .

Do you seriously believe, that in last few months only couple of your soldiers have been killed on the LOC, because, that is all ISPR has declared so far and at the same time dozens of Indian soldiers have been killed.

Because it has never happened in the history of Indo- Pak conflict, wether on LOC or otherwise.

Are you that naive?

 

[waz]

Clearly, we are not gonna agree.

But I will attempt again, here is what, I am saying.

1. Pakistan army is only selectively declaring its casualties. To which I will provide, examples of Pakistan soldiers killed on the LOC but not declared by ISPR.

2. Pakistan army refuses to give the cumulative number of its soldiers killed on the LOC, but readily gives the cumulative number of civilians killed on the LOC.

Do you disagree, with any of the above two statements ?

No we're not going to, I'll agree with that.

1. You did provide two examples, however they were covered by the local press i.e. you can't simply hide casualties due to the region's close links with the very men stationed there. Ever since that announcement though there have been clear statements on casualties, unless you have evidence to proving that the numbers are far higher.
2. I've already answered this, you only need to follow the statements and tot up how many have been killed in action. As for that cumulative list it was posted here, I can't find it but will now look for it.

 

[BringHarmony]

You said the Pakistani army did not disclose casualties, I showed you a statement from a major where they quite clearly did.
You can't also just hide the dead. Many of the men stationed at the LOC are from the AJK regiment, and when a solider passes our villages, towns and cities make a big deal about it i.e. Janazah prayers which are attended by thousands of people.

I think what is being asked is total number of casualties. Do you have a news saying total number of casualities in say month of nov or say entire year of 2017?

1. You did provide two examples, however they were covered by the local press i.e. you can't simply hide casualties due to the region's close links with the very men stationed there. Ever since that announcement though there have been clear statements on casualties, unless you have evidence to proving that the numbers are far higher.

The nuanced difference is "hiding casualities" from whom? You certainly cann't hide causality of a soldier from their kins but do you necessarily go out of your way to report each causality in news? I doubt that.

What would certainly help is if Pakistan's Army make a statement about all of its combatant casualties as in number in a particular year or month. Usually, this information is easily queryable and journalists ask military from time to time, if the forces are involved in some kind of war or war-like situation.

I remember during war on terror media in US used to ask military about their war time casualties.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Do you seriously believe, that in last few months only couple of your soldiers have been killed on the LOC, because, that is all ISPR has declared so far and at the same time dozens of Indian soldiers have been killed.

Because it has never happened in the history of Indo- Pak conflict, wether on LOC or otherwise.

Are you that naive?

so we should believe your media ? who claim to kill hundreds of PA soldiers everything IA sneeze ?
ISPR can not hide death as the soldiers have families , relatives , friends .. are you telling me that ISPR silence them all together without getting media attention in any of such cases ? Who is naive here ?

 

[waz]

I think what is being asked is total number of casualties. Do you have a news saying total number of casualities in say month of nov or say entire year of 2017?


The nuanced difference is "hiding casualities" from whom? You certainly cann't hide causality of a soldier from their kins but do you necessarily go out of your way to report each causality in news? I doubt that.

What would certainly help is if Pakistan's Army make a statement about all of its combatant casualties as in number in a particular year or month. Usually, this information is easily queryable and journalists ask military from time to time, if the forces are involved in some kind of war or war-like situation.

I remember during war on terror media in US used to ask military about their war time casualties.

You bring nothing new to what has already been discussed.

 

[BringHarmony]

You bring nothing new to what has already been discussed.

Sure, I can agree to that. The discussion here will be meaningless without knowing casualties. If indeed that is the case.

 

[waz]

Sure, I can agree to that. The discussion here will be meaningless without knowing casualties. If indeed that is the case.

Yes just reiterating an earlier point I made, they have been put up but it will take a while to find, through the thousands of posts we have.

 

[BringHarmony]

Yes just reiterating an earlier point I made, they have been put up but it will take a while to find, through the thousands of posts we have.

So there is an official number of casualties from Army, then?

 

[waz]

So there is an official number of casualties from Army, then?

I'm not sure about that, it's a figure I've seen put up several times.

 

[Osiris]

No we're not going to, I'll agree with that.

1. You did provide two examples, however they were covered by the local press i.e. you can't simply hide casualties due to the region's close links with the very men stationed there. Ever since that announcement though there have been clear statements on casualties, unless you have evidence to proving that the numbers are far higher.
2. I've already answered this, you only need to follow the statements and tot up how many have been killed in action. As for that cumulative list it was posted here, I can't find it but will now look for it.

Again that is a misconception on your part, their deaths were not covered by local press, or any press with online portal, we know of their deaths from the facebook pages.

Another example.

C. Nasarullah of Jaranwala Faisalabad district of Pakistan was KIA on 19 July 2017

That is the confusion, Pakistan army is sowing.

Neither declaring all the losses, nor covering them up completely. Neither declaring its total deaths, nor denying any.

It is being done, so no one knows exactly, how many soldiers it has lost.

so we should believe your media ? who claim to kill hundreds of PA soldiers everything IA sneeze ?
ISPR can not hide death as the soldiers have families , relatives , friends .. are you telling me that ISPR silence them all together without getting media attention in any of such cases ? Who is naive here ?

I am not saying ,they are hiding, I am saying there are selectively owning up to certain deaths and letting others slip by and at the same time refusing to declare the total number of casualties, when asked by the parliament of your nation.