Little Turkic Community Inside Mongolia

[northeast]

Babur was descendant of both Genghis Khan (mother side) and Tamerlane (father side)

So Babur was Mongol by ethnicity, Turk by culturally.

yes，his father found a mother who is descents of chengis khan for him.

 

[INDIC]

Babur was descendant of both Genghis Khan (mother side) and Tamerlane (father side)

So Babur was Mongol by ethnicity, Turk by culturally.

How was the relation of Turks with Arabs since centuries. I read about Turkic people known as as Turkmen living in different Arab countries, are they related to people of Turkmenistan.

 

[northeast]

How was the relation of Turks with Arabs since centuries. I read about Turkic people known as as Turkmen living in different Arab countries, are they related to people of Turkmenistan.

They are turks come from everywhere I guess.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

yes，his father found a mother who is descents of chengis khan for him.

Without Chingissid lineage, nobody could have ruled the steppes. Tamerlane was just a commander under Chagatai rulers, never became a Khan. Similar example was Nogai Khan, he was more powerful than Golden Horde Khan, but because he was illegitemate child or something, he could have not taken the throne.

How was the relation of Turks with Arabs since centuries. I read about Turkic people known as as Turkmen living in different Arab countries, are they related to people of Turkmenistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanj_Rebellion

Since 900's Turks served in Arab armies. They were brought to supress black Africans' rebellion against Caliphate. Turks had own quarters in city of Bagdad during Abbasid Caliphate. Descendant of a Turk named Ibn Tolun even founded Sultanate named Tulunids in Egypt during 10th century.

Those were the Turkmens, Muslim quasi Slave soldiers. They were more than slave, started to dictate their rule over the time. Toppled Ayyubids, created Devlet el Etrak, a.k.a. Mameluk Dynasty in 13th century.

 

[MertKaan]

I've heard Turks of Anatolia and Azerbaijan,are,genetically,lesser Turks than those of Central Asia,and closer to other countries of ME and also Europeans.Is that right?
I think the pure Turks are those who live in Turan.
However,genetics does not and should not matter for us,only nationality and language and culture matters.

who are more who are less?

 

[KS]

Babur was descendant of both Genghis Khan (mother side) and Tamerlane (father side)

So Babur was Mongol by ethnicity, Turk by culturally.

Actually Babur was a Turco-Mongol by ethnicity and Persian culturally.

 

[darkinsky]

mongolia is even bigger than pakistan

 

[Type 052D]

突厥=蒙古
蒙古=突厥

Actually Babur was a Turco-Mongol by ethnicity and Persian culturally.

No, mongol by ethnicity, Turkish by culture and language, Persian by literature and governance

 

[Porbot]

what are the facial attributes of turks and mongols?

 

[xuxu1457]

Most part of Hun ethnic splited into two parts(at AD 1st century): Turks and Uighur, Turks moved west, and some Hun joined into other ethnics, some Huns(about 0.2million-0.3million) jointed into Mongolian; So they may speake almost the same language.

 

[Tshering22]

The Mughals of India were Mongols who initially spoke a Turkic language called Chughtai.

They were not Indians. They were Uzbek and came from what is today Samarqand.

 

[AKINCI]

Most part of Hun ethnic splited into two parts(at AD 1st century): Turks and Uighur, Turks moved west, and some Hun joined into other ethnics, some Huns(about 0.2million-0.3million) jointed into Mongolian; So they may speake almost the same language.

In reality Gokturks splitted into two states during Gokturks era on 593.
West
Oghuz(Turkey-Iran-Azerbaijan Turks) Karluk(Uzbeks) - East Uyghurs Mongols Kyrgyzs
Western Turkic Khaganate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Alienoz_TR]

They were not Indians. They were Uzbek and came from what is today Samarqand.

Uzbeks belong To Ulus of Coci/Jochi, precisely they were loyal tribesmen of Uzbeg Khan of Golden Horde.

Tamerlane and Chagatai belong to Ulus of Chagatai. The house was dethroned by Shaybanids of Uzbeks in early 16th century.

Tribal relations, dynastic relations in both Turkic and Mongol history is difficult to comprehend for noninterested eyes.

 

[xuxu1457]

In reality Gokturks splitted into two states during Gokturks era on 593.
West
Oghuz(Turkey-Iran-Azerbaijan Turks) Karluk(Uzbeks) - East Uyghurs Mongols Kyrgyzs
Western Turkic Khaganate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

yea, what I said is before the AD 200, then a strong gov enslaved the nomads by power :Rouran,
you can see at :?_???
but Rouran was beated by Beiwei（Mulan is a femal soldier of Beiwei） many times, in AD 429, many nomadic tribes seeking refuge to Beiwei, and other nodadic tribes against Rouran, which including enslaved Turks,;
AD 546, Beiwei splited into East Wei and West Wei;Turks leader Ashina Tumen defeated and swallowed up Gaoche tribe, Turks began developed and to swallow other tribes.

AD 552, Turks beated Rouran, found a big country Turkic Khanate;

AD 581, Sui Dynasty stoped the chos of south China, and Turks attacked Sui

AD 582, general of Sui Zhangsun Sheng made Turks splited into West Turks and East Turks by sowing discord among the enemy.

AD 599, King of Sui let Tuli become the leader of East Turks

AD 618,Tang Dynasty replaced Sui Dynasty;

AD 629, Tang attacked East Turks, East Tuks was eliminated

AD 679, all Turks became Later Turks , and Turks became weaker and weaker, then some of them sometimes surrender and sometimes rebellion to Tang. Many other tribes left Turks, and Tang also attacked Turks sometimes
in AD 745, the final Leader of Turks --Baimei Khan was killed by Uighur, the leader of Uighur sent the head of Baimei to the capital of Tang Dynasty, and the wife of Baimei Khan led the remaining Turks submitted to the Tang Dynasty;
then the existed more than half century Later Turks was out the stage of history

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Xuxu1457,

Ancient Turks are out of my interest, but just a few corrections:

- it was Bumin Khagan, who founded Göktürks in mid 6th century. Ashina was the name of ruling Clan.
- there was No such Baimei Khagan/ Khan. It is probably Chinese prononciation.