Little to cheer for in Pakistan

[Donatello]

Dont Tell me ..You can be Booked for Blaspehemy .. n UnIslamic , if you celebrate "New Year" on 1st Jan ! Is It ?

It think you'll be lynched by a mob in India before anyone gets accused of Blasphemy here......so worry about that.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Imposition of Shariah Law doesn't make a country Islamic. It's same thing as holding elections does not transform a country into a democracy.

I am quoting from the Constitution of Pakistan. And the Hudood laws are NOT Sharia stricto-senso, but a much watered down version. Maybe Saudi Arabia meets your definition then? Or Afghanistan when under Taliban? Or could it be IS?

 

[Chika_Pika]

You get what you vote for so stop whining and take your responsibility!


Pakistan is not an Islamic Country.

Welcome back

 

[Norwegian]

I am quoting from the Constitution of Pakistan. And the Hudood laws are NOT Sharia stricto-senso, but a much watered down version. Maybe Saudi Arabia meets your definition then? Or Afghanistan when under Taliban? Or could it be IS?

People believe if one impose Sharia Laws from above, the nation becomes Islamic. It's same faulty belief that imposing elections will miraculously transform the country into a democracy. Haha, but it's not that simple.

 

[Jacob Martin]

People believe if one impose Sharia Laws from above, the nation becomes Islamic. It's same faulty belief that imposing elections will miraculously transform the country into a democracy. Haha, but it's not that simple.

Look, launching into a discussion about what exactly constitutes "Islamic" is an exercise in Quixotic "tilting at the windmill". No clear answer will emerge and positions will change after every post. This is not the first time either of us would be having this discussion. So unless you have a short and succinct explanation as to what exactly your definition of an "Islamic country" is, it would be preferable to simply take the Constitution at face value.

 

[Norwegian]

Look, launching into a discussion about what exactly constitutes "Islamic" is an exercise in Quixotic "tilting at the windmill". No clear answer will emerge and positions will change after every post. This is not the first time either of us would be having this discussion. So unless you have a short and succinct explanation as to what exactly your definition of an "Islamic country" is, it would be preferable to simply take the Constitution at face value.

Imposition of Sharia Laws is the LAST thing to do AFTER an ideal Islamic Society or Country is established. And by ideal I mean utopian. A country where is there is no hunger, poverty, homelessness, disease etc etc. Only then one can impose these strict Sharia Laws to maintain order or status quo. Looking back at the history of Islam, the first 4 caliphs somewhat created this utopian society for the time being; a functional Islamic welfare state, and then imposed shariah laws. That would classify as a true Islamic State. Since nothing sort of that exist anywhere today, it would be illogical to call Shariah enforced countries 'Islamic'. Sure you can call them barbaric, but Islamic, no.

 

[Jacob Martin]

Imposition of Sharia Laws is the LAST thing to do AFTER an ideal Islamic Society or Country is established. And by ideal I mean utopian. A country where is there is no hunger, poverty, homelessness, disease etc etc. Only then one can impose these strict Sharia Laws to maintain order or status quo. Looking back at the history of Islam, the first 4 caliphs somewhat created this utopian society for the time being; a functional Islamic welfare state, and then imposed shariah laws. That would classify as a true Islamic State. Since nothing sort of that exist anywhere today, it would be illogical to call Shariah enforced countries 'Islamic'. Sure you can call them barbaric, but Islamic, no.

Where are the statistics which prove that the Rashidun Caliphate was "utopian" - no poverty, homelessness, disease, etc. etc.? Are you taking the world of revisionist quacks who always hark back to an illusory glorious past to seek legitimacy for current goals? When faced with the reality of life in Dar-al-Islam, it has been a standard trope to refer to this mythical Golden Era - as if to suggest that things would be just fine "if only"...if only what, exactly?

 

[Norwegian]

Where are the statistics which prove that the Rashidun Caliphate was "utopian" - no poverty, homelessness, disease, etc. etc.? Are you taking the world of revisionist quacks who always hark back to an illusory glorious past to seek legitimacy for current goals? When faced with the reality of life in Dar-al-Islam, it has been a standard trope to refer to this mythical Golden Era - as if to suggest that things would be just fine "if only"...if only what, exactly?

Start by reading here:
Rashidun Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bayt al-mal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamic socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There hasn't been a single Islamic Welfare State with a similar setup as Rashidun Caliphate, yet there has been dozens with similar Shariah Laws. You people have been deceived for ages, Muslims included. Shariah Laws can only be imposed on one condition, and that is the establishment of an Islamic Welfare State that takes care of all its citizens. Much like how we have it here in Scandinavian countries (Nordic Model).

 

[Jacob Martin]

Start by reading here:
Rashidun Caliphate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bayt al-mal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Islamic socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There hasn't been a single Islamic Welfare State with a similar setup as Rashidun Caliphate, yet there has been dozens with similar Shariah Laws. You people have been deceived for ages, Muslims included. Shariah Laws can only be imposed on one condition, and that is the establishment of an Islamic Welfare State that takes care of all its citizens. Much like how we have it here in Scandinavian countries (Nordic Model).

Thanks for the reading list. I do happen to have done a certain amount of reading on history. I find very little to substantiate this Glorious Age theory.

 

[Norwegian]

Thanks for the reading list. I do happen to have done a certain amount of reading on history. I find very little to substantiate this Glorious Age theory.

It was never an age. Rashidun Caliphate lasted only 30 years.

 

[ZeusMK]

Pakistan is not an Islamic Country.

the path might have been a bit deviated but lest not ever forget that it was indeed made for Islam.

only in PDF do i see many ignorant fools getting deviated from the path.. seems like this is the only Salvatore platform they resort to deviously pursue their infamous and false ideologies whilst hiding.

 

[GreenGuy]

Islamic Republic of Pakistan is just a name man.

Religion is for humans.
Republic is not some human entity so it doesn;t matter what you call it.

 

[Jacob Martin]

It was never an age. Rashidun Caliphate lasted only 30 years.

All the more reason to not extol its virtues. There were strong empires through history, with military might and capable governance. A - That means that the Caliphate was not as unique as many would have us believe. B - These empires were also horrible places to live in, with slavery, violence and oppression. The modern world is paradise in comparison, except ironically in the same countries that try and appropriate the glorious past.

 

[Nilgiri]

Compare the last three years

Interactive District Education Map - New

Thanks for this resource. I have put it in my bookmarks.

Some of the numbers seem off in particular instances, others look more in line with what UNESCO and PBS have measured/estimated:

For example (All Pakistan Averages for 2013, 2014 and 2015):

Primary Enrolment: 76%, 92%, 75% <----How does one year (2014) jump so high and then crash so badly the next?

UNESCO UIS Gross enrolment figures for Pakistan are about 90% for Gross enrolment and about 70% in Net enrolment.

Maybe they accidentally picked a GER figure for 2014 and NER for the other two years.


Composite "Learning" Measure of literacy in English, Urdu, Math at Primary: 54%, 53%, 52%

This is a really worrying trend, its dropping when it should be massively increasing.


Retention score (survival to class 5): 56%, 54%, 67%

Again these numbers seem somewhat dubious and will need to be confirmed by UNESCO.

According to UNESCO, about 73% of the gross intake ratio make it to the last grade of primary. This figure has been stuck at this level for almost 10 years now....marginally improving from 65% back then.

Some headway is being made according to this site in School infrastructure....the composite has increased from 57 to 58 to 62.

The education score composite (which includes such things as gender parity which I feel should not be given the same weight as the other things) is also 67 at 2013, and 70 in both 2014 and 2015.

The drop out rate is especially worrying too:

http://www.data.com.pk/edurankings/upload/pdfprovinces/Pakistan.pdf

If its at 33% that means it has gotten worse over the past few years since UNESCO was reporting it at about 20% in 2013 (though it has been as high as 40% in the immediate years prior to that).

There seems to be a large discrepancy in the data, the survey collection must be improved by all agencies so we have a more clear picture...but at the same time Pakistan must do a lot more for its education of its children. It is being left behind in the region quite simply put.

 

[Musafir117]

Name of Islamic republic add coz fear of mulla tolla not for Allah, phir barkat kesi.