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Lies, damn lies, and China's economic statistics

China has soared almost to the top of the world's economic league tables, but whether the official data underpinning its status can be trusted is a constant headache, analysts say.
There's a lot of problems in China. One is that there's a perception that the numbers have political incentives embedded in them

Simmering unease regarding China's economic figures has taken on new meaning in recent months with discrepancies in some statistics and questions over just how much gross domestic product (GDP) is really growing.
Earlier this year, economists took issue with Chinese monthly trade statistics, which diverged wildly from expectations, and two weeks ago official and private purchasing managers surveys - a key measure of manufacturing - surprisingly pointed in opposite directions.
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Doubts have also been raised about how inflation is calculated.
"If there was an index for suspicion about China's official statistics, it would be off the charts, or to use the technical American term, 'crazy bad'," Standard Chartered economist Stephen Green wrote in a report.
No less an authority than China's new premier Li Keqiang has expressed doubts on the issue.
Leaked US diplomatic cables show that as the top official in Liaoning province in 2007, he told the then US ambassador that some Chinese data was "man-made" and thus unreliable.
When evaluating the provincial economy, Li said he focused on only three figures - electricity consumption, rail cargo volume, and the amount of loans issued, according to a confidential memo released by the WikiLeaks website in late 2010.
"All other figures, especially GDP statistics, are 'for reference only,' he said smiling," according to the cable.
China officially overtook Japan as the world's second-largest economy in 2010, and analysts say it is only a matter of time before it knocks the United States off the pedestal it has held for more than a century.
But when that day finally comes, can the data be believed?
Michael Pettis, a finance professor at Peking University and a senior associate at the US-based Carnegie Endowment, said that among China economists, "no one" found Li's purported comments surprising.
"I mean, we've been told this many, many, many times by government officials," he told AFP.
"There's a lot of problems in China. One is that there's a perception that the numbers have political incentives embedded in them."
China calculates monthly and annual data far more quickly than France, a much smaller economy believed to have much higher quality data, he noted.
"So you sort of wonder how they're able to do it more quickly than the French," he said. "That leaves all sorts of questions open."
Economists have long questioned the reliability of numbers provided by local government officials whose career trajectory depends on the performance of their region, creating incentives to make figures look better than the reality.
Toshiya Tsugami, a former Japanese diplomat who now heads a China business consultancy, blames a governmental structure which gives local authorities broad administrative powers but reserves control over assignments and promotions for the centre.
"The personnel ratings are done based mostly on each leader's performance, and what is most given weight is to what extent each local leader has developed his/her local economy, for which purpose the most used measure is GDP," he said.
"As a result, local leaders are engaging in fierce competition aiming at higher GDP growth in order to be promoted," he added. "And since they also handle statistics, there is a strong motivation to dress up the data."
It is widely known that the sum total of growth as reported by each province is much higher than for the country overall, Pettis noted, "which of course is impossible".
"I think there is a sense that the National Bureau of Statistics is doing a reasonably good job under very difficult circumstances," he added. "The local provincial and municipal statistical bureaus, maybe less so."
The report by Green of Standard Chartered, released earlier this year, estimated economic growth for 2011 and 2012 at 7.2 per cent and 5.5 per cent respectively, far below official figures of 9.3 per cent and 7.8 per cent.
Acknowledging the inherent challenges he had with his calculations, he wrote that his figures could at best be described as "guesstimates", adding: "We have to use official data to question official data."
Christopher Balding, who teaches at Peking University's HSBC Business School, argued in a paper this month that skewed consumer price index data, especially for housing, seriously overstates the size of China's economy.
"Conservatively, correcting for housing price inflation ... adds approximately one per cent to annual consumer price inflation in China, reducing real GDP by more than $US1 trillion ($1.09 trillion)."
But experts say the situation is expected to improve as authorities realise they need a better grip on what is happening to create and carry out effective policies.
China's leaders say they want to change the country's economic model to one more resembling advanced countries such as the US and Japan, where consumer spending is the key growth engine, and that will result in slower, albeit steadier, annual expansions.
Wang Qinwei, China economist at Capital Economics in London, told AFP: "If the data are not reliable, then any policy and reform decisions will be wrong."


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Yes ....everything is lie ....Strides that china has made are all lies ....What we saw in Beijing Olympics was also lie ...
Only the American newspapers which say so are correct ....They are the holy cows ....

Or is it American intelligence ...that's why Us has invested so heavily in China ....
And record high US treasury bonds that China holds ....that's also lie ...

I read this article 3 days back on TOI , and didn't care and knew that one of our Indian fellow will post it to belittle Chinese guys here ....
Those experts who say that Chinese figures are lies are the first ones to invest in China ...These kinds of stories are periodically released for big audience of China-haters ! Well it feels nice to hear about shortcomings of " Enemy " ....grow up guys
I find this whole exercise of posting articles defiling each other's countries reputation as childish .
 
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@Indo-guy
why not enjoy it as most other members do?
 
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its not about enjoying it. But truth must be respected.

China's real GDP is not 8 trillion..It is obvious that there is lot of data manipulation by CCP.

we have to take note that GDP number is not just a number. Higher GDP growth number is the criteria for continuous existence of CCP. It is also the ONLY justification for why authoritarian CCP rule is useful.

This number if gazillion times more important, then a blind person's name whose name was erased from Chinese media. So CCP is gazillion times more sensitive to the number issued per year for GDP growth, then CCP cares for the blind person.
 
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its not about enjoying it. But truth must be respected.

China's real GDP is not 8 trillion..It is obvious that there is lot of data manipulation by CCP.

we have to take note that GDP number is not just a number. Higher GDP growth number is the criteria for continuous existence of CCP. It is also the ONLY justification for why authoritarian CCP rule is useful.

This number if gazillion times more important, then a blind person's name whose name was erased from Chinese media. So CCP is gazillion times more sensitive to the number issued per year for GDP growth, then CCP cares for the blind person.

how much is our GDP do you think? more or less than it?
 
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Can"damn"be a news report title?my first time to see this word appear in a report's title?the author must be very upset..
 
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Lower Limit - USD 3.5 Trillion
Upper Limit - USD 4.5 Trillion
very nice numbers.
thanks.
consider our average goods price is much higher than India,our PPP maybe similar to India. am i right?
 
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CNN:Are China's economic statistics accurate?
Are China's economic statistics accurate?
By Charles Riley March 26, 2013: 6:57 AM ET
Pose this question to a group a China watchers and you're likely to receive a variety of responses. Some observers are convinced that China is cooking its books. Others believe state statistics are largely reliable and useful for drawing conclusions about the world's second largest economy. Still others will debate the accuracy of certain data classes, pointing to more meaningful alternatives.

Now we have an opinion from researchers at the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. Their verdict? The statistics are pretty good.

The researchers compared Chinese government statistics with other economic measures that the researchers say are "less susceptible to official manipulation."

"Importantly, these models suggest that Chinese growth has been in the ballpark of what official data have reported. We find no evidence that recently reported Chinese GDP figures are less reliable than usual."

This brief paper from the San Francisco Fed won't settle the matter. But mark another tally in the "legit" category.

The paper, written by John Fernald, Israel Malkin and Mark Spiegel, can be read here.

Of course, it's worth noting that China is not the only country to have its official statistics questioned. Just last year, former General Electric (GE) CEO Jack Welch suggested on Twitter that the Obama administration, calling them "these Chicago guys," had manipulated the monthly jobs report for September in order to make the economy look better than it actually was just weeks before the election.

Welch then doubled down, writing in the Wall Street Journal that data collected by the Bureau of Labor Statistics might not be "precise" or "bias-free." He raised questions over three key statistics -- the labor-force participation rate, the growth in government workers and overall job growth -- saying big one-month gains "have to raise some eyebrows."

Are China's economic statistics accurate? - Economy
 
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very nice numbers.
thanks.
consider our average goods price is much higher than India,our PPP maybe similar to India. am i right?

India PPP - USD 4 Trillion

China PPP -
Lower Limit - USD 6 Trillion
Upper Limit - USD 7.5 Trillion

The GAP in PPP becomes lesser then in Nominal terms.
 
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India PPP - USD 4 Trillion

China PPP -
Lower Limit - USD 6 Trillion
Upper Limit - USD 7.5 Trillion

The GAP in PPP becomes lesser then in Nominal terms.

How reliable are India’s official statistics?
April 6th, 2012

Authors: Ankush Agrawal, IEG, and Vikas Kumar, Azim Premji University

Developing nations like India are data intensive: they need socio-economic information about their population to design redistributive policies.

And, given their obsession with global rankings, they also need information to compare themselves with other countries. But India’s official statistics are not free of errors.

In July 2011, the governor of the Reserve Bank of India expressed concern over the quality of statistics collected by government agencies. A few months later, the commerce secretary admitted that India’s export figures for the April–October period were inflated by US$9.4 billion due to a misclassification of certain items and data-entry errors. Not long afterward, the chief statistician conceded that the accuracy of the Index of Industrial Production is questionable. And now the Planning Commission’s deputy chairman is arguing that the National Sample Surveys systematically underestimate household consumption. Concerns have also been raised about the duplication of efforts to collect statistics across various government departments, the inaccessibility of national data archives, and the infringement of privacy by the government’s data-collection machinery. To address some of these problems the Ministry of Statistics and Programme Implementation released a new data policy in 2009 and other related rules in 2011. More recently, the government also passed the National Data Sharing and Accessibility Policy in early 2012.
How reliable are India
 
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How reliable are India’s official statistics?
April 6th, 2012

Authors: Ankush Agrawal, IEG, and Vikas Kumar, Azim Premji University

India admitted the mistake/error.

When did China admit its GDP is actually from 3.5 to 4.5 Trillion?
 
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Can"damn"be a news report title?my first time to see this word appear in a report's title?the author must be very upset..

No it's not intended for china ....
The saying goes like that ...That there are 3 kinds of lies ....1. Simple lies worse than that is 2. Damned lies and worst off all 3.Statistics ...

This is very famous saying about undependability of statistics ...we often use in our Conferences while discussuing statistics of drug trials ....
The gist is that statistics can be easily manipulated rto churn out desirable numbers .... and therefore statistics are the worst kind of lies

I am sure that's how this phrase has been used ...Nothing like that reporter is upset about China or so ....
 
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