Libyan PM rules out life with refugees, rejects readmission agreement with EU

[Pandora]

India is not in the region nor is it involved in any way in the middle east mess.

I'm not 'gloating' in any way, all that is, is a list of countries from the region who have been fueling the instability in Syria and they should be the people who accommodate these refugees for obvious reasons such as culture, language, and religion.

These masses of millions of random people are an incompatible match with western liberal democracies and European culture, they also pose a very real jihadi terror threat and many of them have been behaving in the most disgusting way, particularly in Germany and Sweden.

Well like i said it is their own screw up. Secondly they are responsible for death of hundreds and thousand of people who suffered their arrogance. If they want them to go away then they should give them back very thing they destroyed. They should give them back their homes, faimlies and a good life they once had. Untill they can do all that then those euorpeons should suffer their own arrogance.

two wrongs do not make a right.

If the European leaders don't get their act together in a hurry, all this will do is fuel right wing nationalism, something which was unheard of till 5-7 years ago, and now it's exploding.

Right wings are always there as it is nothing new here. Send a couple of million indians as refugees and they will probably be doing the same thing as this is nothing culture or religion specific. Those right wing in Europe are actually taking the humanitarian mask off those Europeans.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Right wings are always there as it is nothing new here. Send a couple of million indians as refugees and they will probably be doing the same thing as this is nothing culture or religion specific. Those right wing in Europe are actually taking the humanitarian mask off those Europeans.

Well, at least we try to make it better, that is to say more than many other of itself.

 

[Pandora]

Well, at least we try to make it better, that is to say more than many other of itself.

Well let me know when anything actually becomes better as . From what world can see is that your efforts to make things better actually led to all this. If you people weren't so arrogant then you would have known to not to destroy fragile balance of power in a bipolar societies.

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

If it were to me, you would a German national markings abroad see only if you stand in front of a German embassy. And on the whole, we have done it, even if it has yet been steadily increasing over the past decades.

But I did not mean this, I meant that we at home trying to stand against racism.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

If US hadnt intervened the Syria would not has seen as much bloodshed. US and West saw an opportunity to kick Russia out by supporting Rebels. Russia bulldozed a pre calculated plan by a direct intervention and support of Asad.

In reality ISIS was formed after ISIL which was a direct by product of overthrow of Gaddafi regime with active participation of EU. Libya under gaddafi was stable and now there is no libya whatsoever. Same goes of Iraq which didnt see any blooshed on its teritory but after US intervention all hell broke loose. Now same is happening in Syria but unfortunately those Plans were ruined by Russia.

Other regional players joined in after US took the lead otherwise Saudis or any other nation wouldnt have had any chance to intervene.

The reason the west was intervening in Libya, was that Gaddafi was mass murdering his own people.
Refugees in Libya are not from Syria, they are from African Countries.
And no, Iraq was a brutal dictatorship which killed and repressed Iraqis.
The rest of that Dictatorship is called Daesh and continues to kill and repress Iraqis and also Syrians.
Daesh symphatizers like Yourself, need to get Your head straightened out.

 

[Pandora]

The reason the west was intervening in Libya, was that Gaddafi was mass murdering his own people.
Refugees in Libya are not from Syria, they are from African Countries.
And no, Iraq was a brutal dictatorship which killed and repressed Iraqis.
The rest of that Dictatorship is called Daesh and continues to kill and repress Iraqis and also Syrians.
Daesh symphatizers like Yourself, need to get Your head straightened out.

Yeah west certainly turned Libya Syria and Iraq into a heaven on earth. So much fr your good will intervention. What had happend to your humanitarian spirits when they were ruling for decades and your governments were best buds with them. Entire purpose of intervention was to destabilise the region and somehow maintain a western foot hold but whole plan blew on the face.

Secondly who made you people the police man of entire plannet. Did any muslim nation interfered durring french revolution? Did any one intrefered when US civil war was going on? By intervening you people destroyed the entire narative of people who were trying to achieve freedom. Egypt managed to stabilise on its own without any help from west. No one needs your help as you people cant even help yourself.

 

[-SINAN-]

that to many people in the middle east/muslim world, all their troubles/ills/issues is due to the U.S,Britain,France,E.U. its never their own fault.

So fix your countries and nobody will have the chance to meddle in it.

So, by any chance do you think that you got responsibility even by a small margin ?

The reason the west was intervening in Libya, was that Gaddafi was mass murdering his own people.
Refugees in Libya are not from Syria, they are from African Countries.
And no, Iraq was a brutal dictatorship which killed and repressed Iraqis.

What do you think about North Korea from this perspective ?

 

[T-72M1]

Well like i said it is their own screw up. Secondly they are responsible for death of hundreds and thousand of people who suffered their arrogance. If they want them to go away then they should give them back very thing they destroyed. They should give them back their homes, faimlies and a good life they once had. Untill they can do all that then those euorpeons should suffer their own arrogance.

sorry, but these gulf states who sponsor the jihadis are as much to blame if not more for the situation in Syria, Saudi and Qatar etc should at least share some of the burden.

Right wings are always there as it is nothing new here. Send a couple of million indians as refugees and they will probably be doing the same thing as this is nothing culture or religion specific. Those right wing in Europe are actually taking the humanitarian mask off those Europeans.

right wing nationalism was almost unheard of till 5 - 7 years back in western Europe.

why are you dragging India into this ? but yeah I agree, it will be a disaster if they were to randomly scoop a couple million Indians without checking them and dump them into the EU.

I didn't say anything about religion either but now that you bring it up, there is also a big risk of wahhabi infiltration because most of these millions are arab sunnis, there have to be some psychotic wahhabis there too, and that will be a problem as well.

 

[Pandora]

sorry, but these gulf states who sponsor the jihadis are as much to blame if not more for the situation in Syria, Saudi and Qatar etc should at least share some of the burden.


right wing nationalism was almost unheard of till 5 - 7 years back in western Europe.

why are you dragging India into this ? but yeah I agree, it will be a disaster if they were to randomly scoop a couple million Indians without checking them and dump them into the EU.

I didn't say anything about religion either but now that you bring it up, there is also a big risk of wahhabi infiltration because most of these millions are arab sunnis, there have to be some psychotic wahhabis there too, and that will be a problem as well.

You do realise that Wahabis are a small sect among muslims. Not every muslim who is a sunni is ultimately a wahabi. EU has the highest concenteration of salafists but that bcz they allowed rich saudis to settle there without any question. Most of the imigrants from syria as a matter of fact are not wahabis or salafists. Please do some research on the topic. I merely mentioned india as an example as i had no other intention.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Arabs need dictators. The catastrophic events of the last five years proves that.

You might be right to some extent, but not entirely, as you have to also take into consideration if the people want it?
You cant just assume brutal dictators are what the people deserve. You have to consider that its precisely what these dictators want their people and world to believe .


I will take one African country's example. Ghana was once among the poorest, most corrupt dictatorial country in AFRICA and the world. However when Jerry Rawlings came to power, he promised to clean the system, in his bid to make Ghana corruption free killed 3 former heads of state,some serious military officers, supreme court justices and whoever had to go, so Ghana can be free of corruption and nepotism to this day. Most of all he built up Ghana's institutions making them very string and powerful(above any president's powers), so they act as counterbalance against abuse of power, he also set up two terms limits for every president to make sure no other leader can claim he is indispensable or rule for life(they couldn't even if the wanted,giving the power the country's judiciary,supreme court and other institutions had to challenge any president). After he did all this he left power out of HIS OWN WILL. His prople lived him and wanted him to stay, but he(just like Nelson mandela) refused to stay for a very good reason you know. These are REAL LEADERS, not the fake dictators like Assad, Saddam, Gaddaffi, Mugabe, Castro's, Kim's, Mubarak etc. Who would rather ddestroy their country and kill their own people than cede power to another.

This made ghana what it is today, one of Africas most vibrant democracy and an increasingly successful and wealthy country to this day, with constant peaceful change of government/president
Other developing countries need to learn from such examples.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Yeah west certainly turned Libya Syria and Iraq into a heaven on earth. So much fr your good will intervention. What had happend to your humanitarian spirits when they were ruling for decades and your governments were best buds with them. Entire purpose of intervention was to destabilise the region and somehow maintain a western foot hold but whole plan blew on the face.

Secondly who made you people the police man of entire plannet. Did any muslim nation interfered durring french revolution? Did any one intrefered when US civil war was going on? By intervening you people destroyed the entire narative of people who were trying to achieve freedom. Egypt managed to stabilise on its own without any help from west. No one needs your help as you people cant even help yourself.

What is happening now in Libya is entirely the responsibility of Libyans, and those Muslims
coming from abroad to mess up the country.
Entire purpose of the Intervention was to get rid of a dictator.

Some people take a stand when a bully goes on a rampage,
and some people applaude the bastard

So, by any chance do you think that you got responsibility even by a small margin ?


What do you think about North Korea from this perspective ?

North Koreans are starving, but they are not mass murdering their own yet.

 

[T-72M1]

What is happening now in Libya is entirely the responsibility of Libyans

no

and those Muslims
coming from abroad to mess up the country.

jihadist scum aided by NATO, just as they are doing in Syria now

Entire purpose of the Intervention was to get rid of a dictator.

oh please, he wasn't that bad, certainly many times better than what's happening now, chaos, no clear central authority, all splintered militias, no national unity, some of those militias are islamists, there's an ISIS and qaeda presence, it's a mess and mostly a US and NATO created mess at that.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

no


jihadist scum aided by NATO, just as they are doing in Syria now


oh please, he wasn't that bad, certainly many times better than what's happening now, chaos, no clear central authority, all splintered militias, no national unity, some of those militias are islamists, there's an ISIS and qaeda presence, it's a mess and mostly a US and NATO created mess at that.

He was bad, but it was not obvious how bad he was, until overthrown, but he crossed a line when
starting to massacre his own people.
Now, with him gone, there is just a lot more bad people that have influence.
The mess is created by the Libyans and ISIS, Al Qaeda.
The U.S. / NATO intervention gave them a choice.
If the Libyans had vision, they could have choosen a different path.

 

[T-72M1]

He was bad, but it was not obvious how bad he was, until overthrown, but he crossed a line when
starting to massacre his own people.
Now, with him gone, there is just a lot more bad people that have influence.
The mess is created by the Libyans and ISIS, Al Qaeda.
The U.S. / NATO intervention gave them a choice.
If the Libyans had vision, they could have choosen a different path.

he was nowhere near as bad as they had you believe at the time, and the US and NATO did fund the violent jihadists to overthrow a government which was not a military threat to them in any way, just as Syria is not and was never military a threat to them.

and now with the mass migration, those actions are coming back to haunt them as a real military and cultural threat.

well played, NATO

 

[Steve781]

So, by any chance do you think that you got responsibility even by a small margin ?

Of course NATO countries (Turkey included) are partially responsible but nobody forced Iraqis, Syrians, Yemenis, Lebanese, Libyans etc to slaughter each other in large numbers. Perhaps they could have chose not to? Maybe they bear some responsibility for their own failings as societies, don't you think?