Libya: A Year After Uprising Against Moammar Gadhafi, Power Held By Hundred

[longbrained]

Gaddafi was also highly foolish not get build a stronger military.

Actually his military was not bad. He had tanks, a small but functioning air force and good loyal officers. Though the military was small. If you remember when given the order they had almost put down all these terrorists and only had to take over Benghazi which they could do in a week or so. But then NATO started bombing and sending in special forces from its ships into Libya under the cover of bombing who were equipping and training the terrorists as well bringing in more terrorists from outside Libya. The weakness in Libyan army was its air defense as well as having no anti-ship cruise missiles. Still they stood up well, for almost 7 months against NATO which is not a joke. If they had air defense and anti-ship cruise missiles, they could perhaps stand another year. But to remain victorious Qaddafi must have had ballistic missiles tipped nuclear weapons which could hit European cities. Without that capability of deterrence, to bring war into Europe, he was still vulnerable to a high degree. Without nuke tipped ballistic missiles, he was like a good boxer who was forbidden from hitting the opponent but was only allowed to deflect the hits of the opponent. He would have survived longer but eventually even a weak opponent with sustained hits would have downed him. The most important thing is the deterrence capability. And that only comes with nuke tipped ballistic missiles.

 

[VelocuR]

Pakistan-North Korea friendship anyone ?

Did I say Pakistan-NK friendship ? All the faults blame goes on Gaddafi and its people.

Btw, more than 20,000 Sams missiles in inventory is hilarious.

 

[silko]

funny that people think democracy will come after a dicatotor has died suddenly. most of the countries that is democratic introduced the system some 100 years ago. and you still se flaws in them... even Norway.

and i laugh at people that honour kim fat il. he kills his own people, tortures them, send them to labour camps and yet you salute him because he did what? make a bomb. and made the rest of his country hungry.

just so you know, it is mandatory to meet up and salute "the great leader" or whatever the fvck he was called. if not it is directly to labour camps. what kind of weird people we have here. saluting North-Korea. soon they'll be saying that North is a democratic free country that is defending itself against evil us empire zionists with South-Korea as their puppet!

 

[IranZamin]

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Poor guy. But all the blame is on himself. If he didnt obey the Americans and continued his nuclear program he would have died in office with medals of honors, just like Kim Jong Il.

Sad events

 

[longbrained]

Did I say Pakistan-NK friendship ? All the faults blame goes on Gaddafi and its people.

Btw, more than 20,000 Sams missiles in inventory is hilarious.

He was a stupid guy who was fooled by west to betray himself and his country as well as Pakistan. By the way those SAM's were useless, since he had never built them himself and Russia had tipped NATO about their capabilities for example telling them that they did not have simultaneous firing capability and probably even had given the IFF codes of those missiles to NATO which basically meant that they could not lock on the NATO aircraft since NATO fighter jets computers already had all the IFF codes for these missiles. Additionally all those 20,000 missiles were shoulder fired which have a short range and a maximum effective altitude of less than 9,000 feet while all modern Jet fighters can fly near to 60,000 feet or even higher, so those were completely useless against NATO. He needed to have S-300PMU2 systems probably something like 12 batteries of them. Shoulder fired SAMS are only good to defend small number of soldiers in open against helicopters, not cities against fighter jets.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Did I say Pakistan-NK friendship ? All the faults blame goes on Gaddafi and its people.

Btw, more than 20,000 Sams missiles in inventory is hilarious.

No However I was very much interested in the Pakistan-NK friendship why don't you say a prayer for kim jong il ?

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funny that people think democracy will come after a dicatotor has died suddenly. most of the countries that is democratic introduced the system some 100 years ago. and you still se flaws in them... even Norway.

and i laugh at people that honour kim fat il. he kills his own people, tortures them, send them to labour camps and yet you salute him because he did what? make a bomb. and made the rest of his country hungry.

just so you know, it is mandatory to meet up and salute "the great leader" or whatever the fvck he was called. if not it is directly to labour camps. what kind of weird people we have here. saluting North-Korea. soon they'll be saying that North is a democratic free country that is defending itself against evil us empire zionists with South-Korea as their puppet!

The Fact is Kim died with Honors and Gaddafi died in a hole, Democracy won't come to a tribal country, they are fighting themselves.

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Poor guy. But all the blame is on himself. If he didnt obey the Americans and continued his nuclear program he would have died in office with medals of honors, just like Kim Jong Il.

Sad events

If I'm not mistaken didn't Iran recognize the NTC ? they also lost a Neutral Arab country Libya.

 

[IranZamin]

Look Gaddafi Son embracing the west enjoying his western hookers.

Now look at him now

Saif al-Islam Could be Executed Following Libyan Trial - International Business Times

lol what a hypocrite

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If I'm not mistaken didn't Iran recognize the NTC ? they also lost a Neutral Arab country Libya.

Iran recognizes Libyan NTC and NTC officials have already been in Tehran for talks.
And Arab Jamahiriya wasnt that fond of Iran and its stance towards its nuclear program. Qadafi in 2008 warned Iran of a ''humiliation'' if it continued its nuclear program. Now we saw who got humiliated.

 

[NeutralCitizen]

lol what a hypocrite

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Iran recognizes Libyan NTC and NTC officials have already been in Tehran for talks.

Personally I think Iran should have saved Gaddafi, he was muslim and a neutral person.

 

[IranZamin]

Personally I think Iran should have saved Gaddafi, he was muslim and a neutral person.

Saving Qadaffi would had no benefits for Iran and it would have had bad consequences for Irans image in the Arab world (meddling in Arab affairs etc)

Libyan conflict was not our business, so we did not intervene

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Gaddafi had chemical weapons but never used them.

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Saving Qadaffi would had no benefits for Iran and it would have had bad consequences for Irans image in the Arab world (meddling in Arab affairs etc)

Libyan conflict was not our business, so we did not intervene

I see.

 

[longbrained]

Personally I think Iran should have saved Gaddafi, he was muslim and a neutral person.

Actually he had helped Iran too just like he had helped Pakistan when he had financed Pakistan's nuclear program and in his honor one of our international cricket stadiums is named after him. Qaddafi was the only Arab leader who had helped Iran against Saddam. Basically Iran in that war had only three allies one being Libya the other North Korea and Syria. China also had helped Iran but they also had sold weapons to Saddam as well. But at the end Qaddafi betrayed both Iran and Pakistan and tried to appease west at the expense of Pakistan and Iran. He thought if he does away with Pakistan and Iran, then west will protect him. The truth was otherwise.

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Gaddafi had chemical weapons but never used them.

He had no delivery system for those. Just short range artillery. And I hear, those chemical weapons were aged and not useable any more and since he had no production capability and had imported long ago, they were all expired.

 

[IranZamin]

Actually he had helped Iran too just like he had helped Pakistan when he had financed Pakistan's nuclear program and in his honor one of our international cricket stadiums is named after him. Qaddafi was the only Arab leader who had helped Iran against Saddam. Basically Iran in that war had only two allies one being Libya the other North Korea. China also had helped Iran but they also had sold weapons to Saddam as well. But at the end Qaddafi betrayed both Iran and Pakistan and tried to appease west at the expense of Pakistan and Iran. He thought if he does away with Pakistan and Iran, then west will protect him. The truth was otherwise.

Just like Syria,Soviet Union,North Korean the Libyans were just selling weapons to Iran. There was no special relationship between Arab Jamahiriya and Islamic Republic as it was (is) between Syria& Iran
Arab Jamahiriya went on a wrong course that resulted in its collapse due to its wrong foreign and internal policies

 

[NeutralCitizen]

Saif Al Islam Should have gotten out of Libya while he had time, he was later betrayed by his guide. feel kind of bad for him Gaddafi lost 3 sons and 3 grand children and Saif is likely to get hanged. Gaddafi last words before he died were sparing his sons.

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Just like Syria,Soviet Union,North Korean the Libyans were just selling weapons to Iran. There was no special relationship between Arab Jamahiriya and Islamic Republic as it was (is) between Syria& Iran
Arab Jamahiriya went on a wrong course that resulted in its collapse due to its wrong foreign and internal policies

Iran does not consider North Korean an ally ?

 

[longbrained]

Saving Qadaffi would had no benefits for Iran and it would have had bad consequences for Irans image in the Arab world (meddling in Arab affairs etc)

Libyan conflict was not our business, so we did not intervene

Yeah, because after he gave up your names to IAEA as part of a deal with west to lift sanctions on Libya, then obviously Iran did not care anymore about him. But if he had not done so, I am sure, Iran would have saved him, the same way they are now saving Assad in Syria.

 

[IranZamin]

Iran does not consider North Korean an ally ?

Not really, We have good relations with Pyongyang and share military tech and other things that the countries representatives signed with each other but that is it.
Syria is our ally