Lets Track Him: Bilawal's Man - Murtaza Wahab for Karachi

[PakFactor]

Oh this dude, G M Syed AKA Ghulam Mohammad Syed was the founder of sindhi nationalism and sindhudesh movement. Almost all sindhis consider him , their peshwa or leader. If you wanna know the true beliefs of these sindhi nationalist , you have to read these books.

The book nation in chains was written by him. If you have time , try to go through it. It can be found via google search. If you can't find it , message me . I have a pdf copy.

Reading his books is like reading Mein Kempf of Hitler.

I found the PDF I will go through it this week.

Mein Kempf is an interesting read but Hitler dropped some truth bombs about western mindset and how they manipulate things behind the scenes especially with these so called governments in exile who none ever heard about in their home countries.

 

[SaadH]

Muhajirs should have aligned with Pukhtuns from the beginning to counter Sindhis. There was a lot of common ground between the two groups, both are more conservative and religiously oriented then your run of the mill Sindhi or even Punjabi for that matter. Many a muhajirs are ethnically pukhtoons (MQM's Amir Khan is one), descendants of Pukhtuns who migrated to India several generations ago and migrated back to Pakistan, whole cities and regions in India had large pukhtoon presence, Tonk, Rampur, Rohilkand, and etc. most of whom migrated to Pakistan after partition.

 

[Fahad20007]

Muhajirs should have aligned with Pukhtuns from the beginning to counter Sindhis. There was a lot of common ground between the two groups, both are more conservative and religiously oriented then your run of the mill Sindhi or even Punjabi for that matter. Many a muhajirs are ethnically pukhtoons (MQM's Amir Khan is one), descendants of Pukhtuns who migrated to India several generations ago and migrated back to Pakistan, whole cities and regions in India had large pukhtoon presence, Tonk, Rampur, Rohilkand, and etc. most of whom migrated to Pakistan after partition.

This.

100% this.

@pakpride00090 that's what I am saying. Pashtuns are migrants to Karachi just like us. If we had intermarried with them, learnt a little bit of Pashto, taught them some Urdu and moved them into Muhajir areas instead of them ghettoizing in Baldia and West Karachi, the differences would have withered away in a decade.

Both of us face a threat from these dadho mazo ayo sutho maza ayo Sindhis. Magar MQM aur Muhajiron ki aqal ghutno mein rahi hai hamesha.

 

[Fahad20007]

Muhajirs should have aligned with Pukhtuns from the beginning to counter Sindhis. There was a lot of common ground between the two groups, both are more conservative and religiously oriented then your run of the mill Sindhi or even Punjabi for that matter. Many a muhajirs are ethnically pukhtoons (MQM's Amir Khan is one), descendants of Pukhtuns who migrated to India several generations ago and migrated back to Pakistan, whole cities and regions in India had large pukhtoon presence, Tonk, Rampur, Rohilkand, and etc. most of whom migrated to Pakistan after partition.

The reason for the Pashtun-Muhajir rivalry goes back to the 1960s when Ayub Khan sent Pashtun migrants to Karachi to weaken anti-establishment Muhajir who supported Fatima Jinnah. I had relatives who moved out of Landhi in the 1960s because of their daughters' safety. There were Pashtun Muhajir clashes back then.

Same with the Bengalis. We Muhajirs got played by the establishment in their tussle with the Bengalis like we always have. Infact, pre 1971 Bengalis were the closest to Muhajirs among all the West Pakistani groups- they only moved to Karachi, they only intermarried with Muhajirs and they lived only among us.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Our grandparents sorry to say couldn't think any better. They had an impractical rosy picture of united ethnicities of Pakistan under the banner of Islam . Their impractical thinking is primarily the reason why our future generations are paying the price.

You sound like the muslims in India saying they're better off in India. Well, each to their own!

 

[pakpride00090]

You sound like the muslims in India saying they're better off in India. Well, each to their own!

Nope not really. I am just thinking in hindsight. A united India would have been far better for us(muhajir) people than a broken one. You need to think about it objectively.

Breaking of India led to dilution of muslim power and strength in India leading to current situation.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Nope not really. I am just thinking in hindsight. A united India would have been far better for us(muhajir) people than a broken one. You need to think about it objectively.

Breaking of India led to dilution of muslim power and strength in India leading to current situation.

Haha. Thought so. Leave Pakistan alone!

 

[Fahad20007]

Haha. Thought so. Leave Pakistan alone!

Hum koi Pakistan ke against baat nahi kar rahay. We are just lamenting the fact that the creation of Pakistan led to our Indian Muslim brothers becoming second class citizens. You guys got your Pakistan and left them to pay the price jaise doodh mein se makhi ko nikaal ke phenk dete hain.

You guys are always ready to sacrifice your family's wealth and everything else for Kashmiris in India. Why should we not care about our Muslim brothers in India? Pashtuns can care about Afghans, Azad Kashmiris and Punjabis can care about Indian Kashmirs, only we can't do the same for our Muslim people in India? Chal phutt yahan se.

Nope not really. I am just thinking in hindsight. A united India would have been far better for us(muhajir) people than a broken one. You need to think about it objectively.

Breaking of India led to dilution of muslim power and strength in India leading to current situation.

Muslims would have been almost 40% of undivided India- 70 crores today without partition. Now Indian Muslims are barely 15% and totally at the mercy of Hindus

You sound like the muslims in India saying they're better off in India. Well, each to their own!

Tu India ke Musalmano ki kya madad karay ga jab tu 3 lac Bihariyon ko nahi le saka?

Don't feign sympathy with them. You guys are ready to call them cowards at the drop of a hat and mock them when they face riots. Aye baray well wishers of Indian Muslims.

 

[Enigma SIG]

You guys got your Pakistan and left them to pay the price jaise doodh mein se makhi ko nikaal ke phenk dete hain.

Well they could've moved to Pakistan. Didn't they get the memo? People paid with their lives, wealth and status to get here. The ones that did stay were probably cowards after all.

 

[PakFactor]

Well they could've moved to Pakistan. Didn't they get the memo? People paid with their lives, wealth and status to get here. The ones that did stay were probably cowards after all.

Those that stayed can thank their stupid Ullema for throwing them under the bus.

 

[El Sidd]

Well they could've moved to Pakistan. Didn't they get the memo? People paid with their lives, wealth and status to get here. The ones that did stay were probably cowards after all.

the ones who stayed on to fight were cowards? then why do you say those who fled were cowards?

You sound like the muslims in India saying they're better off in India. Well, each to their own!

you sound like BJP who also envision India without a single Muslim.

 

[PakFactor]

ThEY cOuLd hAVe mOveD. Tere daddy ke basement mein aake rukte kya?

India's Muslim population at 1947 was 33 million. Pakistan's Muslim population was 35 million. Could you accept such a huge population? Pakistan would have collapsed. Sindhiyon se kuch laakh Muhajirs toh qubool nahi hoay.

The cowards who didn't move also include your doe eyed Kashmiris. They were too busy mollycoddling Sheikh Abdullah. Magar unke liye toh tu ek lafz na sunne.

Where were they supposed to go?

Population exchange was never on the cards. Muslim League was dead set against it and so were the inhabitants of Pakistan.

Pakistan would have collapsed within a month if India's 33 million Muslims all migrated to Pakistan

Where would they fit? In your basement?

The partition would've allowed Muslim majority land mass to join East or West Pakistan with population transfer. Hell East Punjab was suppose to go to us but as always the Brit's screwed us up on that. Those Indian Muslims could've also gone to Kashmir or reinforced East Punjab or Baluchistan.

Even Indian Hyderabad was suppose to go to us, but Pajeet's send forces their to stop it, those Indian Muslims didn't show any spine.

 

[Fahad20007]

If anything India's Muslims are ten times the Muslims you guys are.

Following Islam when the majority society is dead set against you and demonises you everyday takes a hell lot of courage. Something that you guys will not understand.

WhY dONt tHey jUst geT anOthEr cOuNtRy

As if 14% of the population can fight 86% of the society. The real question is why Kashmiris can't fight for their own country despite them being a majority in their state. Before calling Indian Muslims cowards, look at the state of Kashmiris. Indian Muslims don't even have a majority anywhere unlike them.

The partition would've allowed Muslim majority land mass to join East or West Pakistan with population transfer. Hell East Punjab was suppose to go to us but as always the Brit's screwed us up on that. Those Indian Muslims could've also gone to Kashmir or reinforced East Punjab or Baluchistan.

Abay history parh le bhai

There was NO Muslim majority land besides East and West Pakistan. East Punjab was Hindu majority in 1947.

How tf can 33 million people migrate overnight?

And btw your Kashmiris are dead set against any Indian Muslims moving to their state. Indian Muslims pe buzdili ke fatway dene se pehle zara situation ko samajh liya karo. They are hostages of the India-Pakistan situation.

Even Indian Hyderabad was suppose to go to us, but Pajeet's send forces their to stop it, those Indian Muslims didn't show any spine

Indian Hyderabad had a 85% Hindu majority and it was surrounded on all sides by India.

In contrast, East Punjab had 35% Muslims and Jammu was actually Muslim majority in 1947. Why didn't your beloved Punjabis and Kashmiris show any spine? They even had a land connection to Pakistan unlike Indian Hyderabad.

Aaya bara Indian Muslims ko spineless kehne wala.

 

[Maula Jatt]

If anything India's Muslims are ten times the Muslims you guys are.

Following Islam when the majority society is dead set against you and demonises you everyday takes a hell lot of courage. Something that you guys will not understand.

WhY dONt tHey jUst geT anOthEr cOuNtRy

As if 14% of the population can fight 86% of the society. The real question is why Kashmiris can't fight for their own country despite them being a majority in their state. Before calling Indian Muslims cowards, look at the state of Kashmiris. Indian Muslims don't even have a majority anywhere unlike them.

isn't this exactly what they are dong though...

FYI Indian Muslims are the internal affair of India, if you feel a certain way about it fine
but as a nation I don't think its appropriate for Pakistan to have a position on it

This is not how nations work, (Kashmir is different, their is a land connection, are Muslim majority, have active hostility, are part of the Indus)

 

[PakFactor]

If anything India's Muslims are ten times the Muslims you guys are.

Following Islam when the majority society is dead set against you and demonises you everyday takes a hell lot of courage. Something that you guys will not understand.

WhY dONt tHey jUst geT anOthEr cOuNtRy

As if 14% of the population can fight 86% of the society. The real question is why Kashmiris can't fight for their own country despite them being a majority in their state. Before calling Indian Muslims cowards, look at the state of Kashmiris. Indian Muslims don't even have a majority anywhere unlike them.

Abay history parh le bhai

There was NO Muslim majority land besides East and West Pakistan. East Punjab was Hindu majority in 1947.

How tf can 33 million people migrate overnight?

And btw your Kashmiris are dead set against any Indian Muslims moving to their state. Indian Muslims pe buzdili ke fatway dene se pehle zara situation ko samajh liya karo. They are hostages of the India-Pakistan situation.

Indian Hyderabad had a 85% Hindu majority and it was surrounded on all sides by India.

In contrast, East Punjab had 35% Muslims and Jammu was actually Muslim majority in 1947. Why didn't your beloved Punjabis and Kashmiris show any spine? They even had a land connection to Pakistan unlike Indian Hyderabad.

Aaya bara Indian Muslims ko spineless kehne wala.

Indian Kashmiri's screwed themselves over and they can thank Sheikh Abdullah when Tribal and Pak Army tried to help, those Kashmiri's alerted Indian Forces as to locations, etc. They followed Abdullah through and through; read about the Peace Brigade he made ordering even Kashmiri females to join and fight along side their Hindu and Sikh brothers and sisters. They shot themselves in the foot like the Arabs stabbed Ottoman's.

If anything India's Muslims are ten times the Muslims you guys are.

Following Islam when the majority society is dead set against you and demonises you everyday takes a hell lot of courage. Something that you guys will not understand.

WhY dONt tHey jUst geT anOthEr cOuNtRy

As if 14% of the population can fight 86% of the society. The real question is why Kashmiris can't fight for their own country despite them being a majority in their state. Before calling Indian Muslims cowards, look at the state of Kashmiris. Indian Muslims don't even have a majority anywhere unlike them.

Abay history parh le bhai

There was NO Muslim majority land besides East and West Pakistan. East Punjab was Hindu majority in 1947.

How tf can 33 million people migrate overnight?

And btw your Kashmiris are dead set against any Indian Muslims moving to their state. Indian Muslims pe buzdili ke fatway dene se pehle zara situation ko samajh liya karo. They are hostages of the India-Pakistan situation.

Indian Hyderabad had a 85% Hindu majority and it was surrounded on all sides by India.

In contrast, East Punjab had 35% Muslims and Jammu was actually Muslim majority in 1947. Why didn't your beloved Punjabis and Kashmiris show any spine? They even had a land connection to Pakistan unlike Indian Hyderabad.

Aaya bara Indian Muslims ko spineless kehne wala.

They are spineless the way they bark against Pakistan, their very nature is spineless from the beginning.