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ON OUR OWN TIME, ON OUR CHOSEN GROUND
Hopefully you remember USSR helped India in separation of East Pakistan (Bangladesh). All the *Proudly state terrorism support* statements are on record of your political leaders even of your current PM Modi. We teach lesson to USSR, we chose on our own time, we chose on our ground, result there is no superpower USSR.
Even if India clam to be superpower country wait for our own time. We clearly remember every one. Till then think what we like you, to think, and don't ever forget
ON OUR OWN TIME, ON OUR CHOSEN GROUND
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Who used to beg Russia for arms? Who is begging US these days? You're no different than us. China is more advanced than Pakistan. In a few years from now, they might well be more advanced than US. I agree to that but it doesn't mean we're subservient to China. Its our brotherly country and we're proud of them. We don't even have such a relationship with many Muslim countries. China is simply an exception and more than 90% of Pakistanis will sacrifice whatever they've for China. You won't understand that. The reason is simple, in your entire history, you guys never had such a brotherly country. You've always been subservient to other countries.
I am glad that you have joined the forum, so hopefully by reading a bit on acquisitions of subject countries you would realize how wrong you are. So lets address both the history and present state. India right from Su7's to Mig21's to MKI's and FGFA, has not begged or gotten military aid from USSR as you insinuate. These were "bought" with tax payers money, not by Soft Loans, Military aid or quid pro quo arrangements of letting USSR open bases in India, akin to what Pakistan has let US done historically in Pakistan and currently pursuing with china.Who used to beg Russia for arms? Who is begging US these days? You're no different than us. China is more advanced than Pakistan. In a few years from now, they might well be more advanced than US. I agree to that but it doesn't mean we're subservient to China. Its our brotherly country and we're proud of them. We don't even have such a relationship with many Muslim countries. China is simply an exception and more than 90% of Pakistanis will sacrifice whatever they've for China. You won't understand that. The reason is simple, in your entire history, you guys never had such a brotherly country. You've always been subservient to other countries.
You talk too much about sovereignty but have forgotten, you've deal under which you're liable to let US use your ports. More or less its a defense deal. Down the road, US will be operating out of India as well. They'll have their bases. When that happens, I'll ping you. I agree that our governments did allow US to operate out of Pakistan which was pretty much limited. I won't get in to the details here for obvious reasons. However, case with China is totally different. I would recommend you to read about the other ports China has invested. They buy those ports on lease basis. Gwadar port isn't one such port. That is the bottomline which means China had never and will never squeeze our neck. With time you'll get to know that.I am glad that you have joined the forum, so hopefully by reading a bit on acquisitions of subject countries you would realize how wrong you are. So lets address both the history and present state. India right from Su7's to Mig21's to MKI's and FGFA, has not begged or gotten military aid from USSR as you insinuate. These were "bought" with tax payers money, not by Soft Loans, Military aid or quid pro quo arrangements of letting USSR open bases in India, akin to what Pakistan has let US done historically in Pakistan and currently pursuing with china.
India at present is not "begging" as you put it US for any systems that it has procured from US. Like Pakistan, India has not asked US to subsidize f16's or hellfire missiles. It rather has paid $2.1Billion for P8I Poseidon, another 4 P8I's for a billion dollars, $2.5 Billion for Apache AH64's, C17 for $4.1 Billion, and C130's for another Billion dollars. None of these came by begging, quid pro quo, military bases, or tacit allowance to violate our sovereignty. There lies the difference, but if the notion still remains incomprehensible to you, let me know.
On the offense you seem to be taking to the word subservience lies in not in blank accusation, but your own historical precedence if you pay attention to it. Co-operating with an ally for a special data gathering effort on a special request is understandable, but letting a third party operate military missions out of your country is nothing but subservience. What you call today as brotherly relations was the exact same rhetoric totted by Gen Ayub Khan in his days. Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it, if USA's precedence was not good enough to caution yourself about safeguarding your sovereignty, by all means continue down the path with Chinese. Like Americans in the beginning didn't squeeze your neck, China isn't doing so now. But god forbid the day they start, American treatment would feel like heaven to you. In statecraft there have never been friendships or brotherly or sisterly relations, Only common interests, and entire human history stands testament to that. Lastly as India's subservience is concerned, as I said, our policy has, will and always remain India First, now that being an Alien concept to you, give it some time to sink in.
I won't read any of the articles. I've read through the agreement. As per that, US can cooperate and coordinate out of a few Indian ports. It's very obvious, when US wanted to fight USSR in Afghanistan, they didn't have balls to send boots on the ground. They used Pakistan crush the U.S.S.R by funding the whole project. Though they were not the sole funding provider. A huge sum was sent by Saudi Arabia as well. They kicked U.S.S.R out of the Afghanistan, depleted it to just Russia and then a few years later, invaded Afghanistan.
As expected from your post, clutching at straws is quite inevitable in such situations.
