Let us become ¬ proudly ¬ Bayghairat

[ice_man]

^^ the situation you are talking about is common in EVERY NATION currently. the youth are aimless & the elder are running around to make barely enough to keep them fed! Recession has changed the world all over!

 

[SamantK]

^^ the situation you are talking about is common in EVERY NATION currently. the youth are aimless & the elder are running around to make barely enough to keep them fed! Recession has changed the world all over!

your country is certainly not the victim of recession dude, you need a reality check!

 

[ice_man]

your country is certainly not the victim of recession dude, you need a reality check!

why are we immune to recession? & are you telling me youth all over the world is focused? situation is pretty similar to the beginning of world war 1! the youth had no aim or motive.

 

[SamantK]

why are we immune to recession? & are you telling me youth all over the world is focused? situation is pretty similar to the beginning of world war 1! the youth had no aim or motive.

Dude, your country is facing issues other than recession, recession being a very small factor.

Terrorism, lawlessness and underpowered government are the three major issues which your country is facing presently. your other point of being aimless is wrong, look at US rate of unemployment decrease over the past 1 year.. they have started adding jobs..

 

[ice_man]

Dude, your country is facing issues other than recession, recession being a very small factor.

Terrorism, lawlessness and underpowered government are the three major issues which your country is facing presently. your other point of being aimless is wrong, look at US rate of unemployment decrease over the past 1 year.. they have started adding jobs..

please calrify what you are on about! and what does that have to do with the topic!!!????

 

[SamantK]

please calrify what you are on about! and what does that have to do with the topic!!!????

The topic is on the development of your country and hoe recession has a very small part in your countries misfortunes and younguns roaming aimlessly on road. what did you think when i listed out challenges faced by your country for?

This is in your response to the guy who spoke about the youth guys..

 

[Developereo]

By Pervez Hoodbhoy
[...]
let us create a culture of law and reason, of compassion and tolerance.

You first, Mr. Hoodbhoy.

Have the courage of your convictions to say out loud that every man with a beard and every woman in a hijab/burqa is not a fundamentalist.

Let's see you take the first step towards tolerance of others.

 

[ice_man]

The topic is on the development of your country and hoe recession has a very small part in your countries misfortunes and younguns roaming aimlessly on road. what did you think when i listed out challenges faced by your country for?

This is in your response to the guy who spoke about the youth guys..

so are you telling me that 72% of india is not below the poverty line? & greece has no youth roaming around aimlessly and protesting? and clearly you are also implying that 2011 london riots never happened. IF SO then i guess yes pakistan is the only country where protests take place and people are poor and there is rioting!

 

[SamantK]

so are you telling me that 72% of india is not below the poverty line? & greece has no youth roaming around aimlessly and protesting? and clearly you are also implying that 2011 london riots never happened. IF SO then i guess yes pakistan is the only country where protests take place and people are poor and there is rioting!

I would like to discuss something relevant to the topic here, which is the situation in Pakistan not around the world. Please open a topic on India, London and Egypt if it so pleases you to hide behind the world unrest which are for an entirely different reason.

 

[OrionHunter]

After some reflection one Army officer spoke up: “Professor,” he assured me, “Nuclear weapons shall be used only defensively if at all, and only if the Pakistan Army faces defeat. We cannot allow ourselves to be dishonoured.”

Only when the Pak Army faces defeat? Never mind the country which the Army officer never mentioned! It can go to hell! Is that what it means?

It seems as if the Pakistan Army comes first always and every time. The country is next. If so, it sucks!

 

[rishisankaran]

i read every line! and if you wish i can sum it up for you! basically your hoodboy is saying let us meekly surrender & become a economically prevailing country. THIS hwoever, he didn't explain how. he just said let us give up ghairyat and become JAPAN or GERMANY! how, he has no idea that people in japan and Germany are still patriotic to their nation and work for the betterment of their nation. Paksitanis on the other hand are undecided if they should even be a nation or different states or different cities!
So i am not jazbati and i read his nonsense before commenting!

I guess the crux of the matter lies in the very inability of Pakistani Govt or military to decide over the years. They have played with the emotions of Pakistani people and let the country down. People like Mr.Pervez are just bringing the reality in its true colour. Wish I had one like him in my country as well to remind us every time we falter.

On one hand Pak Govt and military portrays a honorable pictures making claims about protecting Pakistan's sovereignty at any cost and on the other side the very same Govt and military bends their back to American whims handing over Pakistan's sovereignty to them. They should either accept the fact and listen to U.S commands or put up a strong face to US and be confident to become self reliant.

 

[Ignited Mind]

The same question put to Indian military officers would probably elicit the same answer.

With all due respect to the author, it wouldn't. We do not have a no-first-use doctrine for nothing.

In fact India has many times in the past approached Pakistan to sign an agreement that no matter what happened, we wouldn't use nukes against each other.

It's always been Pakistan that has backed out.

 

[truthseer]

you havent read the article please do that first esp the last para , see where the writer is coming from

No, I have not read the article. I am an idiot who is responding without reading. Oh wait.......

Of course I read the article, why would I pass judgement on something I haven't read?
That is the assumption you make

 

[pak-marine]

i read every line! and if you wish i can sum it up for you! basically your hoodboy is saying let us meekly surrender & become a economically prevailing country. THIS hwoever, he didn't explain how. he just said let us give up ghairyat and become JAPAN or GERMANY! how, he has no idea that people in japan and Germany are still patriotic to their nation and work for the betterment of their nation. Paksitanis on the other hand are undecided if they should even be a nation or different states or different cities! So i am not jazbati and i read his nonsense before commenting!

you dont have to sum it up the author saved you lot the effort he summarized it in the last para .... here is it again Bold in Gold ::
A culture of honour is fine for the herders of goats and camels, or those who live in unpoliceable mountainous areas. But a culture of honour is disastrous for us, a nuclear-armed nation of 180 million people who want jobs, electricity, and the fruits of modernity.So, to hell with the fakery of meaningless honour! Instead, let us create a culture of law and reason, of compassion and tolerance. Let us become — proudly — bayghairat.

 

[pak-marine]

No, I have not read the article. I am an idiot who is responding without reading. Oh wait.......

Of course I read the article, why would I pass judgement on something I haven't read?
That is the assumption you make

No assumptions or offence here its a scenario new for me too we are discussing it here he is saying hell with the honour of military """he has mentioned an example of PA officers he met when they approached him in 80's regarding pak nuclear programe in their honor those men are quoted here saying that they are willing to smoke an entire city to save face /honour or ego... which in retaliation is going to cost us the same , the point is eik wardi walay ulo kay pathay chowkidar ki ego / honour or to save his face why should an entire country of hundreds of million should face the threat of nuclear or any other kind of war !!?? Modern times its applicable on ghaday and ghoray kay herds not on humans