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The constitution of Pakistan is not just a 'piece of paper', it is a document and a guide to rule the country in accordance with democratic values. Whether our rulers followed it accordingly or not is a different debate. Military dictators treated it as a 'piece of paper' and tore it apart whenever it became a hurdle in their 'misrule'.

The 1973 Constitution has been torn into pieces more than once despite specific provisions for those who abrogate it. First, on July 5th, 1977, and then again on October 12th, 1999, and thus committing 'high treason' under Article VI of the Constitution, but they knew that the civilians would never be powerful enough to enforce it.

There are lessons to be learnt for both the civilian and military leadership, but are we ready to learn?

Military doctrine for democracy has improved and civilians have also learnt few lessons, due to which we have witnessed two uninterrupted elections and are getting ready for the third, if all goes well, in 2018.

October in Pakistan has its own significance. On Oct 8th, 1958, the first martial law was imposed, and on October 12th, 1999, another military rule had been enforced. In between, we saw General Yahya Khan's brief military rule and one civilian ruler followed by another long martial law, and then four unstable civilian governments.

It is October again and there is also a political crisis creeping up with Imran Khan's threat to siege Islamabad from October 30. There are some speculative stories in circulation regarding discomfort between civilian and military leaders, but no signal of extraordinary developments yet.

Some 17 years ago, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and then-Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf were not even on talking terms. In October 2016, the Prime Minster Nawaz Sharif and Army Chief General Raheel Sharif – despite difference of opinion on certain matters which have nothing to do with chief's retirement or extension – have a cordial relationship
.

General Raheel Sharif has already created history by announcing his retirement nine months ago and will go into history as one of the most popular army chief.


The situation today is much better and so are civil-military relations as compared to 1999. One man is common in both the crises i.e. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Therefore, it is also a test for Sharif's political sagacity, as sources say "the army has decided to remain neutral" and keep itself away from political developments.

Imran Khan, who is currently challenging Sharif's rule, was a junior political leader in 1999 and supported Musharraf on the pretext that he would make both Sharif and Benazir accountable. In 2016, his main opponent is Sharif again and so is PPP, but today he has much more public support as compared to 17 years ago.

The question is as how history would remember General Musharraf and his nine years in power. He has certainly usurped power and thus would be called a military dictator and usurper.

When Musharraf staged a coup, he knew he had no legal and constitutional authority to rule. Thus, no national anthem was played before his first speech as it was purely an address as army chief and not as Chief Martial Law Administrator (CMLA). His team of generals had grabbed power from an elected prime minister on 'gun-point'.

So, on the night of Oct 12, veteran lawyer Sharifuddin Pirzada, the man who had completed a PhD in turning illegal or unconstitutional actions into legal measures, was approached by Musharraf who sought his advice. Mr Pirzada was quoted as saying, "I did not know the man when I first got his call. He said I am General Pervez Musharraf calling. Can we meet tomorrow?"

He went on to say, "my first advice to him was not to impose martial law as the world would not accept it. I also told him that he cannot become the president at the moment and asked him to use the title of Chief Executive."

General Musharraf's personality and rule was well defined once to me by his old friend and neighbor in Karachi, Lt. General retired Moinuddin Haider. "I had a long association with him. When he took over power he used to listen to his close friends' advice, both civilian and military, and used to take decisions accordingly. Then he started taking decisions on his own, but still used to listen to us. In his last few years, he had even stopped taking advice and went on his own," he said.

Had he listened to some of these advices, he would have saved himself from the lawyers' movement, the Lal Masjid incident, the November 3 emergency, and dealing with Benazir Bhutto. Had he listened to them, he would have stepped down and honoured his commitment with the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal in 2004.

Had he listened to his friends, he would not have gone for referendum in 2001, and instead, after holding general elections, retired as army chief.

Had he considered the public appeal of ten of his closest friends which included Mr Javed Jabbar, Lt. General Tanvir Naqvi, and Lt. General Moinuddin Haider, he would have been remembered in a different way. The appeal was made through a letter published in all the leading newspapers.

Musharraf opted for the way of a military dictator but with two major reforms due to his urban background – one in local bodies and second in police through the Police Order 2002. He also opened up the corporate media culture in the country after learning experience of media war India fought during Kargil. However, in the 2007 emergency he banned all news channels—GEO was the worst affected as its other channels, particularly GEO Sports, were also banned.

Like any other ambitious leader, General Musharraf in a bid to prolong his rule, attacked the judiciary and political parties. He kept both Benazir and Sharif out of the electoral process.

He created a split in the PPP and PML-N, struck a deal with the MQM, and promoted Imran Khan, who initially thought he would accept his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) as a third alternate. But, Musharraf wanted to weaken Sharif and Benazir, so he created PML-Q, led by Ch. Shujaat Hussain, and PPP-Patriots after late Makhdoom Amin Fahim refused to become the prime minister.

From a hero of 'jihadis' till Kargil, he become their 'villain' after September 2001, when he joined hands with the US-led international coalition in the war against terrorism and banned all sectarian and jihadi outfits.

He tried to win over the Pakistani liberal and secular, but no liberal or secular party supported him. On the contrary, religious parties' alliance Muttahida Majlish-e-Amal contributed in his prolonged rule.

He suppressed the judiciary and before bringing the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO), used all kinds of power tactics against the judges who refused to take oath under PCO. Once he did not even allow a sitting chief justice of Pakistan to come out from his house.

Politicians learnt their lesson when both Benazir and Sharif signed the historic Charter of Democracy in 2006. But, when both tried to deviate from their own commitments made in the COD, they paid the price.

Her assassination also saw the departure of General Musharraf and his controversial era of nine years when he was replaced as army chief by General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. While Musharraf quit as army chief, he wanted to continue as president but was surprised when Kayani refused to involve the army into politics and announced that it would remain neutral during the elections.

This led to Musharraf's fall as president too. He was replaced by Benazir Bhutto's spouse Asif Ali Zardari as president, who kept the commitment of giving Musharraf a safe exit and not to make him accountable for his nine years or even be tried in Benazir's murder case.


In return, the PPP created history by becoming the first party to complete its full-term, although constitutionally, even the party's first government of late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also got a full-term as he himself held early elections a year earlier in 1977.

When Nawaz Sharif become prime minister for a record third time after PML-N won elections in 2013, and this country witnessed a smooth transfer of power from one civilian government to another, his government took the risk of putting Musharraf on trial for high treason under Article VI.

But his arrest and trial became the center point of confrontation in the civil-military relationship. Musharraf himself put his own institution, the Army, in a difficult position when against the military's advice, he returned in 2013 to take part in elections.

Ultimately, Sharif's government scrummed to the pressure, removed Musharraf's name from Exit Control List (ECL), and paved the way for his second safe exit in seven years. Thus, neither Zardari nor Sharif became even powerful enough to put an ex-chief on trial.

How can one remember October 12, 1999? Was it martial law, a coup, or an emergency bid like 2007? No matter how you see it, it would be remembered as the era of a dictator who treated the constitution like a piece of paper.

It is now the responsibility of the politicians to protect and save the Parliament and its supremacy, and it is a prime responsibility of the elected government led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to respect the Parliament and get himself and his family cleared from charges of corruption.

No one would support any extraconstitutional action, but at the same time the government also needs to 'clean' itself, this time from the Panama papers allegations. If one opposes military dictators treating the Constitution as a piece of paper, we also want the elected prime minister not to take shelter behind this very Constitution and the Parliament.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/156812-Lesson-of-Musharrafs-coup
 
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The constitution of Pakistan is not just a 'piece of paper', it is a document and a guide to rule the country in accordance with democratic values. Whether our rulers followed it accordingly or not is a different debate. Military dictators treated it as a 'piece of paper' and tore it apart whenever it became a hurdle in their 'misrule'.

The 1973 Constitution has been torn into pieces more than once despite specific provisions for those who abrogate it. First, on July 5th, 1977, and then again on October 12th, 1999, and thus committing 'high treason' under Article VI of the Constitution, but they knew that the civilians would never be powerful enough to enforce it.

There are lessons to be learnt for both the civilian and military leadership, but are we ready to learn?

Military doctrine for democracy has improved and civilians have also learnt few lessons, due to which we have witnessed two uninterrupted elections and are getting ready for the third, if all goes well, in 2018.

October in Pakistan has its own significance. On Oct 8th, 1958, the first martial law was imposed, and on October 12th, 1999, another military rule had been enforced. In between, we saw General Yahya Khan's brief military rule and one civilian ruler followed by another long martial law, and then four unstable civilian governments.

It is October again and there is also a political crisis creeping up with Imran Khan's threat to siege Islamabad from October 30. There are some speculative stories in circulation regarding discomfort between civilian and military leaders, but no signal of extraordinary developments yet.

Some 17 years ago, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and then-Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf were not even on talking terms. In October 2016, the Prime Minster Nawaz Sharif and Army Chief General Raheel Sharif – despite difference of opinion on certain matters which have nothing to do with chief's retirement or extension – have a cordial relationship
.

General Raheel Sharif has already created history by announcing his retirement nine months ago and will go into history as one of the most popular army chief.


The situation today is much better and so are civil-military relations as compared to 1999. One man is common in both the crises i.e. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Therefore, it is also a test for Sharif's political sagacity, as sources say "the army has decided to remain neutral" and keep itself away from political developments.

Imran Khan, who is currently challenging Sharif's rule, was a junior political leader in 1999 and supported Musharraf on the pretext that he would make both Sharif and Benazir accountable. In 2016, his main opponent is Sharif again and so is PPP, but today he has much more public support as compared to 17 years ago.

The question is as how history would remember General Musharraf and his nine years in power. He has certainly usurped power and thus would be called a military dictator and usurper.

When Musharraf staged a coup, he knew he had no legal and constitutional authority to rule. Thus, no national anthem was played before his first speech as it was purely an address as army chief and not as Chief Martial Law Administrator (CMLA). His team of generals had grabbed power from an elected prime minister on 'gun-point'.

So, on the night of Oct 12, veteran lawyer Sharifuddin Pirzada, the man who had completed a PhD in turning illegal or unconstitutional actions into legal measures, was approached by Musharraf who sought his advice. Mr Pirzada was quoted as saying, "I did not know the man when I first got his call. He said I am General Pervez Musharraf calling. Can we meet tomorrow?"

He went on to say, "my first advice to him was not to impose martial law as the world would not accept it. I also told him that he cannot become the president at the moment and asked him to use the title of Chief Executive."

General Musharraf's personality and rule was well defined once to me by his old friend and neighbor in Karachi, Lt. General retired Moinuddin Haider. "I had a long association with him. When he took over power he used to listen to his close friends' advice, both civilian and military, and used to take decisions accordingly. Then he started taking decisions on his own, but still used to listen to us. In his last few years, he had even stopped taking advice and went on his own," he said.

Had he listened to some of these advices, he would have saved himself from the lawyers' movement, the Lal Masjid incident, the November 3 emergency, and dealing with Benazir Bhutto. Had he listened to them, he would have stepped down and honoured his commitment with the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal in 2004.

Had he listened to his friends, he would not have gone for referendum in 2001, and instead, after holding general elections, retired as army chief.

Had he considered the public appeal of ten of his closest friends which included Mr Javed Jabbar, Lt. General Tanvir Naqvi, and Lt. General Moinuddin Haider, he would have been remembered in a different way. The appeal was made through a letter published in all the leading newspapers.

Musharraf opted for the way of a military dictator but with two major reforms due to his urban background – one in local bodies and second in police through the Police Order 2002. He also opened up the corporate media culture in the country after learning experience of media war India fought during Kargil. However, in the 2007 emergency he banned all news channels—GEO was the worst affected as its other channels, particularly GEO Sports, were also banned.

Like any other ambitious leader, General Musharraf in a bid to prolong his rule, attacked the judiciary and political parties. He kept both Benazir and Sharif out of the electoral process.

He created a split in the PPP and PML-N, struck a deal with the MQM, and promoted Imran Khan, who initially thought he would accept his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) as a third alternate. But, Musharraf wanted to weaken Sharif and Benazir, so he created PML-Q, led by Ch. Shujaat Hussain, and PPP-Patriots after late Makhdoom Amin Fahim refused to become the prime minister.

From a hero of 'jihadis' till Kargil, he become their 'villain' after September 2001, when he joined hands with the US-led international coalition in the war against terrorism and banned all sectarian and jihadi outfits.

He tried to win over the Pakistani liberal and secular, but no liberal or secular party supported him. On the contrary, religious parties' alliance Muttahida Majlish-e-Amal contributed in his prolonged rule.

He suppressed the judiciary and before bringing the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO), used all kinds of power tactics against the judges who refused to take oath under PCO. Once he did not even allow a sitting chief justice of Pakistan to come out from his house.

Politicians learnt their lesson when both Benazir and Sharif signed the historic Charter of Democracy in 2006. But, when both tried to deviate from their own commitments made in the COD, they paid the price.

Her assassination also saw the departure of General Musharraf and his controversial era of nine years when he was replaced as army chief by General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. While Musharraf quit as army chief, he wanted to continue as president but was surprised when Kayani refused to involve the army into politics and announced that it would remain neutral during the elections.

This led to Musharraf's fall as president too. He was replaced by Benazir Bhutto's spouse Asif Ali Zardari as president, who kept the commitment of giving Musharraf a safe exit and not to make him accountable for his nine years or even be tried in Benazir's murder case.


In return, the PPP created history by becoming the first party to complete its full-term, although constitutionally, even the party's first government of late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also got a full-term as he himself held early elections a year earlier in 1977.

When Nawaz Sharif become prime minister for a record third time after PML-N won elections in 2013, and this country witnessed a smooth transfer of power from one civilian government to another, his government took the risk of putting Musharraf on trial for high treason under Article VI.

But his arrest and trial became the center point of confrontation in the civil-military relationship. Musharraf himself put his own institution, the Army, in a difficult position when against the military's advice, he returned in 2013 to take part in elections.

Ultimately, Sharif's government scrummed to the pressure, removed Musharraf's name from Exit Control List (ECL), and paved the way for his second safe exit in seven years. Thus, neither Zardari nor Sharif became even powerful enough to put an ex-chief on trial.

How can one remember October 12, 1999? Was it martial law, a coup, or an emergency bid like 2007? No matter how you see it, it would be remembered as the era of a dictator who treated the constitution like a piece of paper.

It is now the responsibility of the politicians to protect and save the Parliament and its supremacy, and it is a prime responsibility of the elected government led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to respect the Parliament and get himself and his family cleared from charges of corruption.

No one would support any extraconstitutional action, but at the same time the government also needs to 'clean' itself, this time from the Panama papers allegations. If one opposes military dictators treating the Constitution as a piece of paper, we also want the elected prime minister not to take shelter behind this very Constitution and the Parliament.
Musharraf did whatever he had to do at that time to save the country in 1999 and 2007, that's how I will always remember it and that's what I will teach my kids.
 
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Musharraf did whatever he had to do at that time to save the country in 1999 and 2007, that's how I will always remember it and that's what I will teach my kids.


Yeah..Personally I'm against authors opinion.. NS tried to abduct PK-805, while the Army chief of Pak Army was inside alongwith civilians..It was a coward act by NS..Musharraf did the thing which was need of hour.

His decision of Laal Masjid was very right at that time though the worst day for him was of 12th May which I condemn always and the Drone attacks which made Army's image doubted..But he was the man who strengthen army and intelligence enough..The green passport meant something in his time..Education sector was not that bad..and the dollar was in control.

This country can only be run by a military rule ..Civil Govt will only shatter it a part..!!
 
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Constitution is not more important than the state itself. Furthermore, the constitution should be able to address all the challenges the country or the nation faces otherwise it will be amended and it has been amended. But I have more than just feeling that 73's constitution has failed to deliver or at least is jaded and unable to keep up with the current affairs of Pakistan...not only the constitution but the whole system needs a major overhaul.

One way is that the army steps in, abrogates the constitution, holds an election for an assembly that will make a new constitution for Pakistan and then it will hold another election after making system-wide change into a presidential system similar to USA's, and then hold a new election.

All the people who have charges of corruption against them, bank loans, defaults shall be barred from elections. Military courts with 500 judges will carry out an expedited proceeding of corruption cases and will decide in within 90 days.

Anyone with a proven corruption of 1 billion Rs will be shot dead on the spot and his family will receive the body not more than 20 people will be allowed to attend this funeral in ground adjacent to the court where there will be special cemetery for these special criminals.
 
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Yeah..Personally I'm against authors opinion.. NS tried to abduct PK-805, while the Army chief of Pak Army was inside alongwith civilians..It was a coward act by NS..Musharraf did the thing which was need of hour.

His decision of Laal Masjid was very right at that time though the worst day for him was of 12th May which I condemn always and the Drone attacks which made Army's image doubted..But he was the man who strengthen army and intelligence enough..The green passport meant something in his time..Education sector was not that bad..and the dollar was in control.

This country can only be run by a military rule ..Civil Govt will only shatter it a part..!!
Very well said, agree with every word.
I also feel that during Gen.Kayani's tenure, things started to slow down quiet a bit towards strengthening Pakistan's defense. But when Gen.Raheel took over and did what he did, it felt like he took over from where Musharraf left off.
 
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Very well said, agree with every word.
I also feel that during Gen.Kayani's tenure, things started to slow down quiet a bit towards strengthening Pakistan's defense. But when Gen.Raheel took over and did what he did, it felt like he took over from where Musharraf left off.


I deem Gen.Kiyani's tenure as dark one..I was an immature child of 9th class then but after GHQ attack the thing rushed into my mind was.. "The army can't even defend its own home...How it will assure foolproof defense of homeland??"
 
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The constitution of Pakistan is not just a 'piece of paper', it is a document and a guide to rule the country in accordance with democratic values. Whether our rulers followed it accordingly or not is a different debate. Military dictators treated it as a 'piece of paper' and tore it apart whenever it became a hurdle in their 'misrule'.

WRONG IT IS CIVILIAN DICTATORS WHO HAVE TREATED IT AS A RAG---ZULFIQAR [BHUTTO] PROMPTLY BROKE IT IMMEDIATELY IT WAS APPROVED---HE WAS RUNNING FSF AND OTHER NONSENSE---REGARDLESS OF WHETHER NATIONALIZATION WAS A GOOD STEP OR NOT--THE PEOPLE HE PUT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL----NAWAZ HAS PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN HOW MUCH F A CROOK HE IS ---THE CORRUPTION IS NOT SOME BENIGN ILLNESS---QABZA GROUPS, FAKE ENCOUNTERS, PROTECTION OF CHOTA GROUPS ARE PART AND PARCEL OF THIS NONSENSE--RIGHT NOW NAWAZ IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION IN WITH EVERY ACTION HE TAKES BE OT APPOINTMENTS PF CROOKS TO POSTS [AGAINST A APPRENTLY VERY PRECISE SUPREME COURT DECISION], HE IS AIDING DESHATGARDS AND PORVIDING THEM PROTECTION BE IT MQM OR LT CDR YADAV----
SO THE ARMY SHOULD JUST BY WHILE HE LOOTS AND DISMANTLES PAKISTAN?
WHEN THEY RAN OUT OF ARGUMENTS THE LAST ARGUMENT THE NAZIS USED WAS THAT THEY WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS!
THE CONSTITUTION IS DID NOT DESCEND FROM THE HEAVENS --IT IS THE PRODUCT OF HUMAN MINDS AND NEEDS REVIEW----DID YOU KNOW THE ORIGIN AL CONSTITUTION DID NOT ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS?
AND NOW THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN "AMENDED" BY A ILLEGALLY "ELECTED" [READ SELECTED] POLITICIAN CLASS TO DISMANTLE PAKISTAN. ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR ELECTION HAVING "FORGIVEN" LOANS, CORRUPTION ETC......
AND WHY DID ZULFIQAR CHOOSE ZIA? BY ALL ACCOUNTS IN MILITARY TERMS HE WAS THE MOST UNSUITABLE CANDIDATE ---AND ---HE WAS MOST JUNIOR AS WELLL!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DID NAWAZ CHOOSE PERVEZ [MUSHARRAF]? BEING THE IDIOT AND COWARD THAT HE IS, PERVEZ WROTE IN HIS GHOST WRITTEN BOOK THAT WHEN HE HAD HIS PERSONNEL FILE BROUGHT IN FROM THE AG BRANCH HE WAS SURPRISED HE EVEN MADE IT TO CHIEF!!!!



The 1973 Constitution has been torn into pieces more than once despite specific provisions for those who abrogate it. First, on July 5th, 1977, and then again on October 12th, 1999, and thus committing 'high treason' under Article VI of the Constitution, but they knew that the civilians would never be powerful enough to enforce it.
YES IT WAS TORN TO PIECES BY ZULFIQAR, BENAZIR, NAWAZ AND ASIF ......

There are lessons to be learnt for both the civilian and military leadership, but are we ready to learn?

Military doctrine for democracy has improved and civilians have also learnt few lessons, due to which we have witnessed two uninterrupted elections and are getting ready for the third, if all goes well, in 2018.
THE ONLT LESSON THE "CIVILIANS" [READ CROOKS AND LOW LIVES] HAVE LEARNT IS TO BAND TOGETHER AND LOOT, KILL, RAPE AND PLUNDER WITH IMPUNITY AND SELL OF PAKISTAN TO EVERHY BUYER....

October in Pakistan has its own significance. On Oct 8th, 1958, the first martial law was imposed, and on October 12th, 1999, another military rule had been enforced. In between, we saw General Yahya Khan's brief military rule and one civilian ruler followed by another long martial law, and then four unstable civilian governments.
YEAH WHY WAS AYUB MADE CHIEF? LIKE I SAID IN AN EARLIER POST, DESPITE BEING A SANDHURT TRAINED INFANTRY OFFICER HE WAS A PRO [PUBLIC RELATIONS OFFICER] IN THE BRITISH INDIAN ARMY WHILE THERE WAS A WORLD WAR GOING ON WITH A SEVERE SHORTAGE OF COMBAT TRAINED OFFICERS [THE WERE EVEN RETRAINING OFFICERS OF OTHER ARMS AS INFANTRY OFFICERS TO MEET THE SHORTAGE]

It is October again and there is also a political crisis creeping up with Imran Khan's threat to siege Islamabad from October 30. There are some speculative stories in circulation regarding discomfort between civilian and military leaders, but no signal of extraordinary developments yet.

Some 17 years ago, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and then-Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf were not even on talking terms. In October 2016, the Prime Minster Nawaz Sharif and Army Chief General Raheel Sharif – despite difference of opinion on certain matters which have nothing to do with chief's retirement or extension – have a cordial relationship
.

General Raheel Sharif has already created history by announcing his retirement nine months ago and will go into history as one of the most popular army chief.


The situation today is much better and so are civil-military relations as compared to 1999. One man is common in both the crises i.e. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Therefore, it is also a test for Sharif's political sagacity, as sources say "the army has decided to remain neutral" and keep itself away from political developments.
THE SITUATION IS TERRIBLE NOW----PAKISTAN HAS CEASED TOE XIST ION REAL TERMS ---THE "ECONOMY" IS ONLY ON PAPER---AGRICULTURE IS OUT--TOMATOES AND ONIONS ARE IMPORTED FROM THE INDIAN SUBSIDIZED FARMS, COTTON AND MANUFACTURING OF CLOTHS IS DOWN --FARMERS ARE SWITFCHING TO OTHER CROPS---FACTORIES ARE DEVASTATED NO ELECTRICITY ALL PROJECTS ARE ONE SCAM AFTER ANOTHER [NANDIPUR, THE SOLAR "FARM: ANNOUNCED CAPACITY 100 MW, REAL MAXIMUM CAPACITY SOME 1-0 OR 132, LNG DEAL, CIRCULAR DEBT, PAKISTAN STELL, PIA, RAILWAYS DISMANTELD AND SOLD OFF, YOU NAME IT DESTROYED BEGININNG SINCE THE LATER PART OF PERVEZ'S RULE EDUCATION DESTROYED....[DR ASIM WAS HEAD OF HEC--WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT].

Imran Khan, who is currently challenging Sharif's rule, was a junior political leader in 1999 and supported Musharraf on the pretext that he would make both Sharif and Benazir accountable. In 2016, his main opponent is Sharif again and so is PPP, but today he has much more public support as compared to 17 years ago.

The question is as how history would remember General Musharraf and his nine years in power. He has certainly usurped power and thus would be called a military dictator and usurper.

When Musharraf staged a coup, he knew he had no legal and constitutional authority to rule. Thus, no national anthem was played before his first speech as it was purely an address as army chief and not as Chief Martial Law Administrator (CMLA). His team of generals had grabbed power from an elected prime minister on 'gun-point'.

So, on the night of Oct 12, veteran lawyer Sharifuddin Pirzada, the man who had completed a PhD in turning illegal or unconstitutional actions into legal measures, was approached by Musharraf who sought his advice. Mr Pirzada was quoted as saying, "I did not know the man when I first got his call. He said I am General Pervez Musharraf calling. Can we meet tomorrow?"

He went on to say, "my first advice to him was not to impose martial law as the world would not accept it. I also told him that he cannot become the president at the moment and asked him to use the title of Chief Executive."

General Musharraf's personality and rule was well defined once to me by his old friend and neighbor in Karachi, Lt. General retired Moinuddin Haider. "I had a long association with him. When he took over power he used to listen to his close friends' advice, both civilian and military, and used to take decisions accordingly. Then he started taking decisions on his own, but still used to listen to us. In his last few years, he had even stopped taking advice and went on his own," he said.

Had he listened to some of these advices, he would have saved himself from the lawyers' movement, the Lal Masjid incident, the November 3 emergency, and dealing with Benazir Bhutto. Had he listened to them, he would have stepped down and honoured his commitment with the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal in 2004.

Had he listened to his friends, he would not have gone for referendum in 2001, and instead, after holding general elections, retired as army chief.

Had he considered the public appeal of ten of his closest friends which included Mr Javed Jabbar, Lt. General Tanvir Naqvi, and Lt. General Moinuddin Haider, he would have been remembered in a different way. The appeal was made through a letter published in all the leading newspapers.

Musharraf opted for the way of a military dictator but with two major reforms due to his urban background – one in local bodies and second in police through the Police Order 2002. He also opened up the corporate media culture in the country after learning experience of media war India fought during Kargil. However, in the 2007 emergency he banned all news channels—GEO was the worst affected as its other channels, particularly GEO Sports, were also banned.
EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHAT GEO IS--A MOUTHPIECE FOR MODI &co

Like any other ambitious leader, General Musharraf in a bid to prolong his rule, attacked the judiciary and political parties. He kept both Benazir and Sharif out of the electoral process.

He created a split in the PPP and PML-N, struck a deal with the MQM, and promoted Imran Khan, who initially thought he would accept his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) as a third alternate. But, Musharraf wanted to weaken Sharif and Benazir, so he created PML-Q, led by Ch. Shujaat Hussain, and PPP-Patriots after late Makhdoom Amin Fahim refused to become the prime minister.

From a hero of 'jihadis' till Kargil, he become their 'villain' after September 2001, when he joined hands with the US-led international coalition in the war against terrorism and banned all sectarian and jihadi outfits.

He tried to win over the Pakistani liberal and secular, but no liberal or secular party supported him. On the contrary, religious parties' alliance Muttahida Majlish-e-Amal contributed in his prolonged rule.

He suppressed the judiciary and before bringing the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO), used all kinds of power tactics against the judges who refused to take oath under PCO. Once he did not even allow a sitting chief justice of Pakistan to come out from his house.

Politicians learnt their lesson when both Benazir and Sharif signed the historic Charter of Democracy in 2006. But, when both tried to deviate from their own commitments made in the COD, they paid the price.

Her assassination also saw the departure of General Musharraf and his controversial era of nine years when he was replaced as army chief by General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. While Musharraf quit as army chief, he wanted to continue as president but was surprised when Kayani refused to involve the army into politics and announced that it would remain neutral during the elections.

This led to Musharraf's fall as president too. He was replaced by Benazir Bhutto's spouse Asif Ali Zardari as president, who kept the commitment of giving Musharraf a safe exit and not to make him accountable for his nine years or even be tried in Benazir's murder case.


In return, the PPP created history by becoming the first party to complete its full-term, although constitutionally, even the party's first government of late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also got a full-term as he himself held early elections a year earlier in 1977.

When Nawaz Sharif become prime minister for a record third time after PML-N won elections in 2013, and this country witnessed a smooth transfer of power from one civilian government to another, his government took the risk of putting Musharraf on trial for high treason under Article VI.

But his arrest and trial became the center point of confrontation in the civil-military relationship. Musharraf himself put his own institution, the Army, in a difficult position when against the military's advice, he returned in 2013 to take part in elections.

Ultimately, Sharif's government scrummed to the pressure, removed Musharraf's name from Exit Control List (ECL), and paved the way for his second safe exit in seven years. Thus, neither Zardari nor Sharif became even powerful enough to put an ex-chief on trial.

How can one remember October 12, 1999? Was it martial law, a coup, or an emergency bid like 2007? No matter how you see it, it would be remembered as the era of a dictator who treated the constitution like a piece of paper.

It is now the responsibility of the politicians to protect and save the Parliament and its supremacy, and it is a prime responsibility of the elected government led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to respect the Parliament and get himself and his family cleared from charges of corruption.
IT IS NOW THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STATE TO TRY AND PUNISH ALL THE CROOKS AND CHARALTANS.....

No one would support any extraconstitutional action, but at the same time the government also needs to 'clean' itself, this time from the Panama papers allegations. If one opposes military dictators treating the Constitution as a piece of paper, we also want the elected prime minister not to take shelter behind this very Constitution and the Parliament.
THE IS NO CONSTITUTION NOW--ALL APPOINTMENTS ARE ILLEGAL GIVEN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.....MADE ON PERSONAL WHIMS ....

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/156812-Lesson-of-Musharrafs-coup

WRONG IT IS CIVILIAN DICTATORS WHO HAVE TREATED IT AS A RAG---ZULFIQAR [BHUTTO] PROMPTLY BROKE IT IMMEDIATELY IT WAS APPROVED---HE WAS RUNNING FSF AND OTHER NONSENSE---REGARDLESS OF WHETHER NATIONALIZATION WAS A GOOD STEP OR NOT--THE PEOPLE HE PUT THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL----NAWAZ HAS PROVEN AGAIN AND AGAIN HOW MUCH F A CROOK HE IS ---THE CORRUPTION IS NOT SOME BENIGN ILLNESS---QABZA GROUPS, FAKE ENCOUNTERS, PROTECTION OF CHOTA GROUPS ARE PART AND PARCEL OF THIS NONSENSE--RIGHT NOW NAWAZ IS VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION IN WITH EVERY ACTION HE TAKES BE OT APPOINTMENTS PF CROOKS TO POSTS [AGAINST A APPRENTLY VERY PRECISE SUPREME COURT DECISION], HE IS AIDING DESHATGARDS AND PORVIDING THEM PROTECTION BE IT MQM OR LT CDR YADAV----
SO THE ARMY SHOULD JUST BY WHILE HE LOOTS AND DISMANTLES PAKISTAN?
WHEN THEY RAN OUT OF ARGUMENTS THE LAST ARGUMENT THE NAZIS USED WAS THAT THEY WERE JUST FOLLOWING ORDERS!
THE CONSTITUTION IS DID NOT DESCEND FROM THE HEAVENS --IT IS THE PRODUCT OF HUMAN MINDS AND NEEDS REVIEW----DID YOU KNOW THE ORIGIN AL CONSTITUTION DID NOT ALLOW FOR AMENDMENTS?
AND NOW THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN "AMENDED" BY A ILLEGALLY "ELECTED" [READ SELECTED] POLITICIAN CLASS TO DISMANTLE PAKISTAN. ILLEGAL BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ELIGIBLE TO RUN FOR ELECTION HAVING "FORGIVEN" LOANS, CORRUPTION ETC......
AND WHY DID ZULFIQAR CHOOSE ZIA? BY ALL ACCOUNTS IN MILITARY TERMS HE WAS THE MOST UNSUITABLE CANDIDATE ---AND ---HE WAS MOST JUNIOR AS WELLL!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY DID NAWAZ CHOOSE PERVEZ [MUSHARRAF]? BEING THE IDIOT AND COWARD THAT HE IS, PERVEZ WROTE IN HIS GHOST WRITTEN BOOK THAT WHEN HE HAD HIS PERSONNEL FILE BROUGHT IN FROM THE AG BRANCH HE WAS SURPRISED HE EVEN MADE IT TO CHIEF!!!!

YES IT WAS TORN TO PIECES BY ZULFIQAR, BENAZIR, NAWAZ AND ASIF ......


THE ONLT LESSON THE "CIVILIANS" [READ CROOKS AND LOW LIVES] HAVE LEARNT IS TO BAND TOGETHER AND LOOT, KILL, RAPE AND PLUNDER WITH IMPUNITY AND SELL OF PAKISTAN TO EVERHY BUYER....

YEAH WHY WAS AYUB MADE CHIEF? LIKE I SAID IN AN EARLIER POST, DESPITE BEING A SANDHURT TRAINED INFANTRY OFFICER HE WAS A PRO [PUBLIC RELATIONS OFFICER] IN THE BRITISH INDIAN ARMY WHILE THERE WAS A WORLD WAR GOING ON WITH A SEVERE SHORTAGE OF COMBAT TRAINED OFFICERS [THE WERE EVEN RETRAINING OFFICERS OF OTHER ARMS AS INFANTRY OFFICERS TO MEET THE SHORTAGE]


THE SITUATION IS TERRIBLE NOW----PAKISTAN HAS CEASED TOE XIST ION REAL TERMS ---THE "ECONOMY" IS ONLY ON PAPER---AGRICULTURE IS OUT--TOMATOES AND ONIONS ARE IMPORTED FROM THE INDIAN SUBSIDIZED FARMS, COTTON AND MANUFACTURING OF CLOTHS IS DOWN --FARMERS ARE SWITFCHING TO OTHER CROPS---FACTORIES ARE DEVASTATED NO ELECTRICITY ALL PROJECTS ARE ONE SCAM AFTER ANOTHER [NANDIPUR, THE SOLAR "FARM: ANNOUNCED CAPACITY 100 MW, REAL MAXIMUM CAPACITY SOME 1-0 OR 132, LNG DEAL, CIRCULAR DEBT, PAKISTAN STELL, PIA, RAILWAYS DISMANTELD AND SOLD OFF, YOU NAME IT DESTROYED BEGININNG SINCE THE LATER PART OF PERVEZ'S RULE EDUCATION DESTROYED....[DR ASIM WAS HEAD OF HEC--WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT].

EVERYONE HERE KNOWS WHAT GEO IS--A MOUTHPIECE FOR MODI &co


IT IS NOW THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE STATE TO TRY AND PUNISH ALL THE CROOKS AND CHARALTANS.....

No one
THE IS NO CONSTITUTION NOW--ALL APPOINTMENTS ARE ILLEGAL GIVEN THE RULES AND REGULATIONS.....MADE ON PERSONAL WHIMS ...
 
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The constitution of Pakistan is not just a 'piece of paper', it is a document and a guide to rule the country in accordance with democratic values. Whether our rulers followed it accordingly or not is a different debate. Military dictators treated it as a 'piece of paper' and tore it apart whenever it became a hurdle in their 'misrule'.

The 1973 Constitution has been torn into pieces more than once despite specific provisions for those who abrogate it. First, on July 5th, 1977, and then again on October 12th, 1999, and thus committing 'high treason' under Article VI of the Constitution, but they knew that the civilians would never be powerful enough to enforce it.

There are lessons to be learnt for both the civilian and military leadership, but are we ready to learn?

Military doctrine for democracy has improved and civilians have also learnt few lessons, due to which we have witnessed two uninterrupted elections and are getting ready for the third, if all goes well, in 2018.

October in Pakistan has its own significance. On Oct 8th, 1958, the first martial law was imposed, and on October 12th, 1999, another military rule had been enforced. In between, we saw General Yahya Khan's brief military rule and one civilian ruler followed by another long martial law, and then four unstable civilian governments.

It is October again and there is also a political crisis creeping up with Imran Khan's threat to siege Islamabad from October 30. There are some speculative stories in circulation regarding discomfort between civilian and military leaders, but no signal of extraordinary developments yet.

Some 17 years ago, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and then-Army Chief General Pervez Musharraf were not even on talking terms. In October 2016, the Prime Minster Nawaz Sharif and Army Chief General Raheel Sharif – despite difference of opinion on certain matters which have nothing to do with chief's retirement or extension – have a cordial relationship
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General Raheel Sharif has already created history by announcing his retirement nine months ago and will go into history as one of the most popular army chief.


The situation today is much better and so are civil-military relations as compared to 1999. One man is common in both the crises i.e. Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif. Therefore, it is also a test for Sharif's political sagacity, as sources say "the army has decided to remain neutral" and keep itself away from political developments.

Imran Khan, who is currently challenging Sharif's rule, was a junior political leader in 1999 and supported Musharraf on the pretext that he would make both Sharif and Benazir accountable. In 2016, his main opponent is Sharif again and so is PPP, but today he has much more public support as compared to 17 years ago.

The question is as how history would remember General Musharraf and his nine years in power. He has certainly usurped power and thus would be called a military dictator and usurper.

When Musharraf staged a coup, he knew he had no legal and constitutional authority to rule. Thus, no national anthem was played before his first speech as it was purely an address as army chief and not as Chief Martial Law Administrator (CMLA). His team of generals had grabbed power from an elected prime minister on 'gun-point'.

So, on the night of Oct 12, veteran lawyer Sharifuddin Pirzada, the man who had completed a PhD in turning illegal or unconstitutional actions into legal measures, was approached by Musharraf who sought his advice. Mr Pirzada was quoted as saying, "I did not know the man when I first got his call. He said I am General Pervez Musharraf calling. Can we meet tomorrow?"

He went on to say, "my first advice to him was not to impose martial law as the world would not accept it. I also told him that he cannot become the president at the moment and asked him to use the title of Chief Executive."

General Musharraf's personality and rule was well defined once to me by his old friend and neighbor in Karachi, Lt. General retired Moinuddin Haider. "I had a long association with him. When he took over power he used to listen to his close friends' advice, both civilian and military, and used to take decisions accordingly. Then he started taking decisions on his own, but still used to listen to us. In his last few years, he had even stopped taking advice and went on his own," he said.

Had he listened to some of these advices, he would have saved himself from the lawyers' movement, the Lal Masjid incident, the November 3 emergency, and dealing with Benazir Bhutto. Had he listened to them, he would have stepped down and honoured his commitment with the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal in 2004.

Had he listened to his friends, he would not have gone for referendum in 2001, and instead, after holding general elections, retired as army chief.

Had he considered the public appeal of ten of his closest friends which included Mr Javed Jabbar, Lt. General Tanvir Naqvi, and Lt. General Moinuddin Haider, he would have been remembered in a different way. The appeal was made through a letter published in all the leading newspapers.

Musharraf opted for the way of a military dictator but with two major reforms due to his urban background – one in local bodies and second in police through the Police Order 2002. He also opened up the corporate media culture in the country after learning experience of media war India fought during Kargil. However, in the 2007 emergency he banned all news channels—GEO was the worst affected as its other channels, particularly GEO Sports, were also banned.

Like any other ambitious leader, General Musharraf in a bid to prolong his rule, attacked the judiciary and political parties. He kept both Benazir and Sharif out of the electoral process.

He created a split in the PPP and PML-N, struck a deal with the MQM, and promoted Imran Khan, who initially thought he would accept his Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) as a third alternate. But, Musharraf wanted to weaken Sharif and Benazir, so he created PML-Q, led by Ch. Shujaat Hussain, and PPP-Patriots after late Makhdoom Amin Fahim refused to become the prime minister.

From a hero of 'jihadis' till Kargil, he become their 'villain' after September 2001, when he joined hands with the US-led international coalition in the war against terrorism and banned all sectarian and jihadi outfits.

He tried to win over the Pakistani liberal and secular, but no liberal or secular party supported him. On the contrary, religious parties' alliance Muttahida Majlish-e-Amal contributed in his prolonged rule.

He suppressed the judiciary and before bringing the Provisional Constitutional Order (PCO), used all kinds of power tactics against the judges who refused to take oath under PCO. Once he did not even allow a sitting chief justice of Pakistan to come out from his house.

Politicians learnt their lesson when both Benazir and Sharif signed the historic Charter of Democracy in 2006. But, when both tried to deviate from their own commitments made in the COD, they paid the price.

Her assassination also saw the departure of General Musharraf and his controversial era of nine years when he was replaced as army chief by General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani. While Musharraf quit as army chief, he wanted to continue as president but was surprised when Kayani refused to involve the army into politics and announced that it would remain neutral during the elections.

This led to Musharraf's fall as president too. He was replaced by Benazir Bhutto's spouse Asif Ali Zardari as president, who kept the commitment of giving Musharraf a safe exit and not to make him accountable for his nine years or even be tried in Benazir's murder case.


In return, the PPP created history by becoming the first party to complete its full-term, although constitutionally, even the party's first government of late Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto also got a full-term as he himself held early elections a year earlier in 1977.

When Nawaz Sharif become prime minister for a record third time after PML-N won elections in 2013, and this country witnessed a smooth transfer of power from one civilian government to another, his government took the risk of putting Musharraf on trial for high treason under Article VI.

But his arrest and trial became the center point of confrontation in the civil-military relationship. Musharraf himself put his own institution, the Army, in a difficult position when against the military's advice, he returned in 2013 to take part in elections.

Ultimately, Sharif's government scrummed to the pressure, removed Musharraf's name from Exit Control List (ECL), and paved the way for his second safe exit in seven years. Thus, neither Zardari nor Sharif became even powerful enough to put an ex-chief on trial.

How can one remember October 12, 1999? Was it martial law, a coup, or an emergency bid like 2007? No matter how you see it, it would be remembered as the era of a dictator who treated the constitution like a piece of paper.

It is now the responsibility of the politicians to protect and save the Parliament and its supremacy, and it is a prime responsibility of the elected government led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif to respect the Parliament and get himself and his family cleared from charges of corruption.

No one would support any extraconstitutional action, but at the same time the government also needs to 'clean' itself, this time from the Panama papers allegations. If one opposes military dictators treating the Constitution as a piece of paper, we also want the elected prime minister not to take shelter behind this very Constitution and the Parliament.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/156812-Lesson-of-Musharrafs-coup
Infact it is nothing but a piece of paper ... Its prime purpose is to safeguard rights on citizens of Pakistan as per islamic law which it has failed miserably ... So from my side i will use it a toilet paper ... All govt institutions baurcrats politicians and even a lot of military individuals use it to loot citizens of Pakistan ...

For me only non.questionable law is law of Allah ...

Lesson we learnt is no change is permanent .. Even if you bring humangous economic reforms untill and unless you bring poltical reforms without any NRO

We need a strict martial law ... Atleast 15 years focusing on just education ... Infrastructure development overhauking of beaurcracy ... Development of all institutions and implementation of true and just islamic form of govt only then democracy can work here ...
 
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I deem Gen.Kiyani's tenure as dark one..I was an immature child of 9th class then but after GHQ attack the thing rushed into my mind was.. "The army can't even defend its own home...How it will assure foolproof defense of homeland??"
Thank God those days are gone now, most of the internal problems are either completely solved or are almost there. I think there are only 2 problems left now which need to be addressed ASAP; Corruption and the non-state actors, who are currently in high positions across various fields throughout the country.
 
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Anyone with a proven corruption of 1 billion Rs will be shot dead on the spot and his family will receive the body not more than 20 people will be allowed to attend this funeral in ground adjacent to the court where there will be special cemetery for these special criminals.
Very Creative, looks like you've spend some time thinking of this new amendment. :lol: but all jokes I'm with you on this one bro. Corruption is a huge no-no, you say 1 billion Rs, I say 1 Rupee or even 1 paisa.

Yup..Non-state actors are defaming Pakistan internationally and they are the reason of "Do More"..


Hahah :omghaha::omghaha:
let's all name some of these actors.... here are few that I think are:
Altaf Hussian,
Asif Zardari,
Nawaz Sharif,
Maulana Fazl-ur-Rahman,
Asfandyar Wali,
Mahmood Khan Achakzai.
Hamid Mir,
Najam Sethi,
Parvez Hoodbhoy,
please feel free to add to this list :partay:
 
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Very Creative, looks like you've spend some time thinking on this new amendment. :lol: but all jokes I'm with you on this one bro. Corruption is a huge no-no, you say 1 billion Rs, I say 1 Rupee or even 1 paisa.
No pre-thoughts. Alhamdulillah my mind is very fertile on this and ideas come as I compose my posts :)
Well if that's the case then you will have 190 million to be killed so let's keep it sane at one billion and above and you will be surprised to know that their numbers will run in thousands at least.
 
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No pre-thoughts. Alhamdulillah my mind is very fertile on this and ideas come as I compose my posts :)
Well if that's the case then you will have 190 million to be killed so let's keep it sane at one billion and above and you will be surprised to know that their numbers will run in thousands at least.
I know and we should definetly only go for the big fish and hang them as an example for all others and then put a new law in place in which any FUTURE corruption will meet with similar consequences, no matter how big or how small the corruption is. Basically we catch the big fish hit the reset button for the petty-thieves for now.
 
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Even before a General becomes a dictator he is a soldier. He is bound by the oaths he took on being commissioned. Next, he is bound by the Army Act which prevents him from flouting the law of the land.

The question therefore that begs attention is how then does a Dictator justify his acts to the men in uniform he still commands as the COAS ?

As the COAS cases on military law reach him for a final say , having flouted the Army Act himself how does he justify his presence at the helm and his lien to pass judgement on matters military when he himself is an offender ?

What answer would a Dictator have to say to an officer if he were to question his authority to throw the Manual of Pak Military law on him when the General himself is complicit in breaking the law ?

@Icarus
 
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I know and we should definetly only go for the big fish and hang them as an example for all others and then put a new law in place in which any FUTURE corruption will meet with similar consequences, no matter how big or how small the corruption is. Basically we catch the big fish hit the reset button for the petty-thieves for now.
Petty thieves will be scared to death and repent and will remain honest till their last breath if they see the big fish being dealt that swiftly, mercilessly and truly across the board. I would say in the latter stage even the dead corrupt politicians should be be investigated and if proven they should given symbolic punishments and those should be engraved on their graves in black and their inheritor should be stripped off of their wealth / property to set a precedence and a lesson that you cannot rob the country and leave the looted booty for your children.
 
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