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Binyamin Netanyahu’s dramatic declaration to world leaders in 2012 that Iran was about a year away from making a nuclear bomb was contradicted by his own secret service, according to a top-secret Mossad document.

It is part of a cache of hundreds of dossiers, files and cables from the world’s major intelligence services – one of the biggest spy leaks in recent times.

Brandishing a cartoon of a bomb with a red line to illustrate his point, the Israeli prime minister warned the UN in New York that Iran would be able to build nuclear weapons the following year and called for action to halt the process.

But in a secret report shared with South Africa a few weeks later, Israel’s intelligence agency concluded that Iran was “not performing the activity necessary to produce weapons”. The report highlights the gulf between the public claims and rhetoric of top Israeli politicians and the assessments of Israel’s military and intelligence establishment.

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An extract from the document Photograph: The Guardian
The disclosure comes as tensions between Israel and its staunchest ally, the US, have dramatically increased ahead of Netanyahu’s planned address to the US Congress on 3 March.

The White House fears the Israeli leader’s anticipated inflammatory rhetoric could damage sensitive negotiations between Tehran and the world’s six big powers over Iran’s nuclear programme. The deadline to agree on a framework is in late March, with the final settlement to come on 30 June. Netanyahu has vowed to block an agreement he claims would give Iran access to a nuclear weapons capability.

The US president, Barack Obama, will not meet Netanyahu during his visit, saying protocol precludes a meeting so close to next month’s general election in Israel.

The documents, almost all marked as confidential or top secret, span almost a decade of global intelligence traffic, from 2006 to December last year. It has been leaked to the al-Jazeera investigative unit and shared with the Guardian.

The papers include details of operations against al-Qaida, Islamic State and other terrorist organisations, but also the targeting of environmental activists.

The files reveal that:

• The CIA attempted to establish contact with Hamas in spite of a US ban.

• South Korean intelligence targeted the leader of Greenpeace.

• Barack Obama “threatened” the Palestinian president to withdraw a bid for recognition of Palestine at the UN.

• South African intelligence spied on Russia over a controversial $100m joint satellite deal.

The cache, which has been independently authenticated by the Guardian, mainly involves exchanges between South Africa’s intelligence agency and its counterparts around the world. It is not the entire volume of traffic but a selective leak.

One of the biggest hauls is from Mossad. But there are also documents from Russia’s FSB, which is responsible for counter-terrorism. Such leaks of Russian material are extremely rare.

Other spy agencies caught up in the trawl include those of the US, Britain, France, Jordan, the UAE, Oman and several African nations.

The scale of the leak, coming 20 months after US whistleblower Edward Snowden handed over tens of thousands of NSA and GCHQ documents to the Guardian, highlights the increasing inability of intelligence agencies to keep their secrets secure.

While the Snowden trove revealed the scale of technological surveillance, the latest spy cables deal with espionage at street level – known to the intelligence agencies as human intelligence, or “humint”. They include surveillance reports, inter-agency information trading, disinformation and backbiting, as well as evidence of infiltration, theft and blackmail.

The leaks show how Africa is becoming increasingly important for global espionage, with the US and other western states building up their presence on the continent and China expanding its economic influence. One serving intelligence officer told the Guardian: “South Africa is the El Dorado of espionage.”

Africa has also become caught up in the US, Israeli and British covert global campaigns to stem the spread of Iranian influence, tighten sanctions and block its nuclear programme.

The Mossad briefing about Iran’s nuclear programme in 2012 was in stark contrast to the alarmist tone set by Netanyahu, who has long presented the Iranian nuclear programme as an existential threat to Israel and a huge risk to world security. The Israeli prime minister told the UN: “By next spring, at most by next summer, at current enrichment rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move[d] on to the final stage. From there, it’s only a few months, possibly a few weeks before they get enough enriched uranium for the first bomb.”

He said his information was not based on secret information or military intelligence but International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) reports.

Behind the scenes, Mossad took a different view. In a report shared with South African spies on 22 October 2012 – but likely written earlier – it conceded that Iran was “working to close gaps in areas that appear legitimate, such as enrichment reactors, which will reduce the time required to produce weapons from the time the instruction is actually given”.

But the report also states that Iran “does not appear to be ready” to enrich uranium to the higher levels necessary for nuclear weapons. To build a bomb requires enrichment to 90%. Mossad estimated that Iran then had “about 100kg of material enriched to 20%” (which was later diluted or converted under the terms of the 2013 Geneva agreement). Iran has always said it is developing a nuclear programme for civilian energy purposes.

Last week, Netanyahu’s office repeated the claim that “Iran is closer than ever today to obtaining enriched material for a nuclear bomb” in a statement in response to an IAEA report.

A senior Israeli government official said there was no contradiction between Netanyahu’s statements on the Iranian nuclear threat and “the quotes in your story – allegedly from Israeli intelligence”. Both the prime minister and Mossad said Iran was enriching uranium in order to produce weapons, he added.

“Israel believes the proposed nuclear deal with Iran is a bad deal, for it enables the world’s foremost terror state to create capabilities to produce the elements necessary for a nuclear bomb,” he said.

However, Mossad had been at odds with Netanyahu on Iran before. The former Mossad chief Meir Dagan, who left office in December 2010, let it be known that he had opposed an order from Netanyahu to prepare a military attack on Iran.

Other members of Israel’s security establishment were riled by Netanyahu’s rhetoric on the Iranian nuclear threat and his advocacy of military confrontation. In April 2012, a former head of Shin Bet, Israel’s internal security agency, accused Netanyahu of “messianic” political leadership for pressing for military action, saying he and the then defence minister, Ehud Barak, were misleading the public on the Iran issue. Benny Gantz, the Israeli military chief of staff, said decisions on tackling Iran “must be made carefully, out of historic responsibility but without hysteria”.

There were also suspicions in Washington that Netanyahu was seeking to bounce Obama into taking a more hawkish line on Iran.

A few days before Netanyahu’s speech to the UN, the then US defence secretary, Leon Panetta, accused the Israeli prime minister of trying to force the US into a corner. “The fact is … presidents of the United States, prime ministers of Israel or any other country … don’t have, you know, a bunch of little red lines that determine their decisions,” he said.

“What they have are facts that are presented to them about what a country is up to, and then they weigh what kind of action is needed in order to deal with that situation. I mean, that’s the real world. Red lines are kind of political arguments that are used to try to put people in a corner.”


Leaked cables show Netanyahu’s Iran bomb claim contradicted by Mossad | World news | The Guardian
 
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they can both go to hell. they are going anyway so the sooner the better
 
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Is anyone really surprised by this?? Iran has been one step away from the bomb since 1984 o_O.

It was never about the nuclear program, its about neutralizing the only threat to Israeli hegemony. And now the republicans in congress want to increase sanctions on Iran in the midst of the nuclear talks just to give war a chance. The world is run by gangsters.
 
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Is anyone really surprised by this?? Iran has been one step away from the bomb since 1984 o_O.

It was never about the nuclear program, its about neutralizing the only threat to Israeli hegemony. And now the republicans in congress want to increase sanctions on Iran in the midst of the nuclear talks just to give war a chance. The world is run by gangsters.
How come these "gangsters" don't gang up on Japan, South Korea, Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, Canada and other civilized societies? Why only Middle Eastern countries? Maybe it's b/c these Middle Eastern countries are all infested with dictatorships and monarchs that do nothing but cause mayhem and misery for their people and those around them. Heck, the whole world even.

Yeah, the West is bullying Iran regarding the nuclear issue, but guess what? Iran, under the mullah dictatorship, MUST be bullied. Similarly, the rest of the region must be bullied. Every Middle Eastern country is like a high school drop out that's inches away from a school shooting. If the region, its people and its leaders don't learn to become civilized, nothing will change.

Of course Israel is concerned about Iran. Maybe not specifically about the nuclear issue, but for other reasons, all of which were IRAN'S DOING. Israel didn't pick a fight with Iran. Iran picked a fight with Israel in 79. Since then, it's financed and created Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups that actively work against Israel and are responsible for killing Israelis and Jews around the world. So maybe they are using the nuclear issue and maybe they're not. What matters here is that they legitimately have a concern and it's always been Iran's own DOING. Again, Israel didn't pick a fight with Iran, Iran picked a fight with Israel.
 
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How come these "gangsters" don't gang up on Japan, South Korea, Germany, Switzerland, Denmark, Canada and other civilized societies? Why only Middle Eastern countries? Maybe it's b/c these Middle Eastern countries are all infested with dictatorships and monarchs that do nothing but cause mayhem and misery for their people and those around them. Heck, the whole world even.

Yeah, the West is bullying Iran regarding the nuclear issue, but guess what? Iran, under the mullah dictatorship, MUST be bullied. Similarly, the rest of the region must be bullied. Every Middle Eastern country is like a high school drop out that's inches away from a school shooting. If the region, its people and its leaders don't learn to become civilized, nothing will change.

All those countries you mentioned are under US control economonicaly, politically and militarily. Why would we bully vassals? Countries that stand up to US hegemony are bullied. Russia, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran etc. Venezuela is a South American democracy, but the US government attempted a coup there. How do you explain that? And of course we know all the stupidity that has been tried in Cuba. I grant you that the ME is a mess even without meddling, but does is make things much worse than it would be if we minded our own business. If US wasn't supporting the removal of Assad for example, do you think the GCC, Jordan and Turkey would be acting so brazenly against Syria? We could even go back to the WW1 and WW2 when the only thing stopping the British from accepting peace terms from the Germans was the promise of US involvement. The led to the death and misery being prolonged.

Of course Israel is concerned about Iran. Maybe not specifically about the nuclear issue, but for other reasons, all of which were IRAN'S DOING. Israel didn't pick a fight with Iran. Iran picked a fight with Israel in 79. Since then, it's financed and created Hezbollah, Hamas and other terrorist groups that actively work against Israel and are responsible for killing Israelis and Jews around the world. So maybe they are using the nuclear issue and maybe they're not. What matters here is that they legitimately have a concern and it's always been Iran's own DOING. Again, Israel didn't pick a fight with Iran, Iran picked a fight with Israel.

So in your eyes, Iran just came into existence in 79? There was no Iran before then? There was no democratically elected president that was overthrown by zionist, imperial interests? Everything just happens in a vacuum to you people. The 79 revolution was a product of the overthrow of Mossadegh and the imposing of the puppet Shah. The puppet was overthrown and now you have to deal with the Iran of today. Israel invaded and occupied South Lebanon, and Hezbollah was formed to expel them. No occupation, no Hezbollah. Now Hezbollah is a big headache for you. Just like Hamas which you created in an attempt to split Fatah. Now Hamas is another headache for you. You see how Israel, through its hubris, is the achitect of its own problems? They think that they are smart but it doesn't look like they are. You think you can just do whatever you want, bomb, occupy, assassinate and nobody should be able to oppose you. If anyone opposes you, you run crying to America/EU/UN. If you know that the nuclear program is legit, but want to fight them because they support Hezbollah and Hamas, why not just be honest and say it? After all Hezbollah and Hamas are listed as 'terrorist' organizations. You can't get enough support this way so you resort to your usual lies that you employ war after war. Israel accused Iraq of having a nuclear program and they bombed them unilaterally. They did the same thing in Syria. Why don't they do the same thing to Iran? In Iraq and Syria they bombed without making empty threats and nobody could do a damn thing about it. But now when it comes to Iran, all you do is talk tough and squeel like stuck pigs in the UN, calling for international cooperation against Iran. You didn't need it against Iraq and Syria so why do you need it against Iran? Because Israelis are cowards and they want America/EU/NATO to handle Iran for them.
 
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"All those countries you mentioned are under US control economically"

Not everybody can be free like Liberia, sanctioned Iran/North Korea, Pakistan and Zimbabwe.

Countries that stand up to US hegemony are bullied

Countries that try to disrupt the world through terrorism and chaos are bullied. All the nations you mentioned are dictatorial shit holes. Which one are you from?

If US wasn't supporting the removal of Assad for example, do you think the GCC, Jordan and Turkey would be acting so brazenly against Syria?

Assad is a dictator, PGCC countries are monarchies, ISIS is a typical Middle Eastern terrorist group. You're asking the wrong questions. The entire region and all its players deserve each other. Who cares what the West is doing on any particular single issue. Don't be so narrow minded. It's a cesspool over there and whoever you support you're pretty much doing the wrong thing, so the best thing to do is try to go for your own interests, however you see fit. Don't blame capable and fit societies for trying to secure their own long-term safety and interests.


We could even go back to the WW1 and WW2 when the only thing stopping the British from accepting peace terms from the Germans was the promise of US involvement. The led to the death and misery being prolonged.

There we have it folks, this fucking lunatic just said if it wasn't for the Americans, the Nazis would have won and that was the best thing that could have happened. I'm not putting words in your mouth, that's what you just said.

So in your eyes, Iran just came into existence in 79? There was no Iran before then? There was no democratically elected president that was overthrown by zionist, imperial interests? Everything just happens in a vacuum to you people. The 79 revolution was a product of the overthrow of Mossadegh and the imposing of the puppet Shah.

Perhaps I should be seeking revenge for Alexander's actions too. He did shape Iran's future as well, more so then the Americans and the Shah. Mossadegh and what happened to him is from almost 70 years ago. SEVEN FUCKING DECADES AGO. Are you retarded? It might as well have been the Greco Persian wars of Achaemenid Iran.

What matters is that we picked a fight with Israel and the United States in 79. Yes, they started it, they bullied us, they put us under their control etc... Everybody understands all that. But that's what happens to those that are economically weak. It happened 3000 years ago, it's happening today. By the time the revolution rolled around, Iran was on an upward economic trajectory. Things were shaping up. We changed all that by picking fights with everyone. By running over the walls of embassies. By funding Islamic terrorism. By creating enemies. This is all our doing. No one else's.

China was once like today's Iran. It picked fights. It was sanctioned off. It was miserable. It was angry. It decided to become strong and get itself out of the mess it had created for itself. One day they will be strong and then they can stand up for their ideals. Until that day comes, pissing people off will only cause suffocation for your own self, nothing more. Screaming and demanding when you don't have any legs to stand on will only get you a bitch slap to the face. If you're not talking from a position of power, you're no different from a homeless guy that's preaching doomsday stories on the side of the street. Enough time will pass by when the cops will just come and clean you off the curb for disturbing the peace.
 
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Not everybody can be free like Liberia, sanctioned Iran/North Korea, Pakistan and Zimbabwe.
Everyone should do whatever we say or we will invade/bomb/sanction yeaahhh merikkaaaaaaa


Countries that try to disrupt the world through terrorism and chaos are bullied. All the nations you mentioned are dictatorial shit holes. Which one are you from?.

Venezuela and Russia are democracies, but so what if they are 'dictatorial shitholes'? Countries need to mind their own business.



Assad is a dictator, PGCC countries are monarchies, ISIS is a typical Middle Eastern terrorist group. You're asking the wrong questions. The entire region and all its players deserve each other. Who cares what the West is doing on any particular single issue. Don't be so narrow minded. It's a cesspool over there and whoever you support you're pretty much doing the wrong thing, so the best thing to do is try to go for your own interests, however you see fit. Don't blame capable and fit societies for trying to secure their own long-term safety and interests.

Thank you for proving my point. America should get out of the ME and only trade with these countries, no meddling, no getting involved in civil wars and especially NO SUPPORTING ISRAEL. Its backfired time and time again as we can see from Iran, Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden etc etc.


There we have it folks, this fucking lunatic just said if it wasn't for the Americans, the Nazis would have won and that was the best thing that could have happened. I'm not putting words in your mouth, that's what you just said.

The Nazis would have taken the territories they lost under Versailles, and that would have been the end of it. Thats all they wanted to do. It was Britain and France that declared war on Germany, not the reverse. The Nazis screwed themselves by invading USSR but felt they had to because of communist influences. It was the USSR that defeated the Nazis not America. You only see things as black and white thats the problem.The world is not like that. I'm not a nazi apologist, but if the Brits accepted the peace terms they were offered in WW2 and WW1, which the Germans were offering from a position of strength, many lives would have been saved. And don't talk to me about Jews because the Nazis supported the zionist movement, but it was Britain that was occupying Palestine.


Perhaps I should be seeking revenge for Alexander's actions too. He did shape Iran's future as well, more so then the Americans and the Shah. Mossadegh and what happened to him is from almost 70 years ago. SEVEN FUCKING DECADES AGO. Are you retarded? It might as well have been the Greco Persian wars of Achaemenid Iran.

Just becasue it happened 70 years ago, doesn't mean it doesn't have an impact on whats going on today. We should have learned our lesson then and left them alone, but here we are still meddling.

What matters is that we picked a fight with Israel and the United States in 79. Yes, they started it, they bullied us, they put us under their control etc... Everybody understands all that. But that's what happens to those that are economically weak. It happened 3000 years ago, it's happening today. By the time the revolution rolled around, Iran was on an upward economic trajectory. Things were shaping up. We changed all that by picking fights with everyone. By running over the walls of embassies. By funding Islamic terrorism. By creating enemies. This is all our doing. No one else's.

China was once like today's Iran. It picked fights. It was sanctioned off. It was miserable. It was angry. It decided to become strong and get itself out of the mess it had created for itself. One day they will be strong and then they can stand up for their ideals. Until that day comes, pissing people off will only cause suffocation for your own self, nothing more. Screaming and demanding when you don't have any legs to stand on will only get you a bitch slap to the face. If you're not talking from a position of power, you're no different from a homeless guy that's preaching doomsday stories on the side of the street. Enough time will pass by when the cops will just come and clean you off the curb for disturbing the peace.

So might makes right. Is that what you are saying? The embassy attack happened because we were planning a coup right out of the US embassy. We tried the same thing in democratic Venezuela just a few years ago but failed yet again. Not to mention running guns from the Us embassy in Libya and helping protesters overthrow democratically elected Yanukovich in Ukraine. If anyone did any of that here they would be charged with treason and executed, but Amerika can do it because the laws don't apply to it. Might makes right.

China will be just fine as long as they don't allow warmongering Jews to control their foreign policy.
 
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