LD-10 can become a game changer for Pakistan air force?

[Windjammer]

Fake news based on Fake SIPRI data. Pakistan never ordered LD-10 just like Pakistan never ordered KG-300, WMD-7, CM-400AKG and multiple other things SIPRI Mentioned.

Kindly remember, what is shown in the pics and and videos is only what JF-17 has. MAR-1 has not been integrated with JF-17 so far. It was Mirage aircraft only with which it was integrated back in 2014 or 2015. Mecatron official statement is on record PAF asked mecatron to integrate MAR-1 with Mirage only.

Few year old news now.


PAF to Integrate MAR-1 Anti-Radiation missile on Its JF-17 Thunders
0 Fighter Aircrafts, Pakistani Air Force

Mectron has delivered MAR-1 anti-radiation missiles to the Pakistan Air Force last year. These MAR-1 anti-radiation missile are currently being integrated on the JF-17 Thunder fighter jets and Mirage-III/ V ROSE fighters jets.


MAR-1 anti-radiation missiles are developed by the Mectron for the Brazilian Air Force (FAB). Pakistan Air Force purchased 100 MAR-1 missiles at cost of US $ 126 million.


Integration of the MAR-1 Missiles was also confirmed by the PAF officials at the Farnborough Airshow last year. JF-17 Thunder fighter jet is a jointly developed fighter jet by Pakistan and China to meet the requirements of the PAF.
http://pakmr.blogspot.com/2011/05/paf-to-integrate-mar-1-anti-radiation.html#ixzz5eZ5omvmC

http://pakchinanews.pk/pakistan-receives-ld-10-anti-radiation-missiles-from-china/

http://www.deagel.com/Offensive-Weapons/CM-102_a003173001.aspx

 

[War Thunder]

Bro i totally understand and agree with the points you raised, just sharing what the reports claim it to be. Also suggesting that this is what caused the confusion that had you and another member insulting each other so lets jut try and understand why happened and try to avoid it in future.

My language is usually straight, blunt, and to the point and this usually causes people to think I might be insulting them as every one is a bit too used to diplomatic language with makhan malai on top.

I didn't mean to insult the guy.

Besides I have a habit of calling people out for their shit, and the lower minds and giant egos like @I S I up there start having personal issues.

 

[I S I]

Besides I have a habit of calling people out for their shit, and the lower minds and giant egos like @I S I up there start having personal issues.

What happened to your old handle War&Pieceofshit?

 

[War Thunder]

I wish he had asked me my reasons. I could have explained...

Well you said the OP was talking about A2A and I was talking about A2S and S2S (Mar 1).
So I told you to re read the OP post, in a straight way with no chocolate toppings.
Because LD-10 is directly comparable to MAR 1, and MAR 1 is better in the role, except if an aircraft can carry more LD-10's at a time, which might make sense or to suppress and evade enemy defences with multiple incomings, specially one with the profile of an A2A which the ground defences might not even be expecting.


Anyways, going back to the topic. LD-10 might not need to be some special ground attack weapon but more of a homing seeker with the agility of an Air to Air missile, to simply hit and suppress radars and SAM's without needing to create a giant *** hole in the ground. While keeping the flight profile of an A2A missile and keeping in the mind the likeliness of the launch platform flying lower and below radar acquisition when undertaking such roles.

What happened to your old handle War&Pieceofshit?

What did that guy do to you now?
Am I supposed to be responsible for whatever physical abuse you endured at some ones elses behalf?

 

[Mrc]

Pak needs.some thing on lines of heron suicide drones... Air and ground launched with loiter capabilities in numbers to saturate the air space and take care of hostile radars

 

[Ultima Thule]

a little of topic question..
can anybody provide details about the rumours that China is giving its Liaoning aircraft carrier to Pakistan after a major upgrade

Not needed @Goku-kun

Sir, OP is based on a blog of questionable rigor. What can be confirmed from elsewhere on the internet is that LD-10 is based on SD-10, which is a pure A2A missile.

It seems highly suspicious that the exact same missile has been programmed for both A2A and A2S roles. An A2S missile would necessarily need to account for reflection from the ground, whereas A2A needs to consider things like clouds. So unless we get confirmation from authentic source, this aspect should be considered doubtful.

HARM is also based on SPARROW which was semi active medium range BVR, and Aspide-2000 SAMs is also based on aspide BVR which is EU copy of SPARROW @CriticalThought

Given the close cooperation between us, it is plausible.

BTW, I should also add. The flight characteristics of A2A missiles are completely different to A2S. A2A missiles need to generate lift to remain airborne, whereas A2G would need to pull negative Gs if they are powered by rocket motor. Which is why you see A2G utilize glide profile, or a weight distribution that shifts centre of gravity forward, or only use rocket motor at the very terminal phase. I still remain doubtful about this claim.

You should read the OP article again, the article said with modification @CriticalThought

 

[SBUS-CXK]

a little of topic question..
can anybody provide details about the rumours that China is giving its Liaoning aircraft carrier to Pakistan after a major upgrade

I think this will at least wait for the type 003 aircraft carrier to serve.

 

[Quwa]

@Oscar had outlined that the key benefit of the LD-10 (over the MAR-1) is that it can be integrated to a dual-ejector rack alongside the SD-10. Besides the seeker, it's basically the same missile (SD-10/LD-10).

The idea discussed earlier (among enthusiasts) was that the PAF can repurpose the Block-Is into CAS fighters: (1) use the LETRI air-cooled AESA radar; (2) integrate SDB-like and CBU-105-like munitions; (3) find a Brimstone-like AGM (and pair it to the AESA radar's SAR/GMTI); and leverage the SD-10/LD-10 combo.

Interestingly, each of these is available in China (well, a CBU-105-like system is some years away it seems, but it'll come to fruition too), so the main limiting factor is the Block-I itself. Not sure if it'd feasible, but perhaps rebuilding the Block-Is into a Block-II+ (incl. AAR) could be an option too.

As the Block-IIs and Block-IIIs proliferate across the PAF for airpower needs, the Block-Is could be of direct support to the Army, much like the Jaguar DARIN III in the IAF.

 

[Vapnope]

the Block-Is could be of direct support to the Army

I believe it's time to raise an aviation arm of Navy and for that purpose, JF 17blk 1 should be utilized once blk 3 is ready.

 

[Quwa]

I believe it's time to raise an aviation arm of Navy and for that purpose, JF 17blk 1 should be utilized once blk 3 is ready.

It's unlikely that the PN will have its own fighter wing. However, fast-tracking an FGF unit (Project Azm or otherwise) for dedicated maritime operations would be prudent. If that can happen with a supersonic ASCM...

 

[CriticalThought]

It's unlikely that the PN will have its own fighter wing. However, fast-tracking an FGF unit (Project Azm or otherwise) for dedicated maritime operations would be prudent. If that can happen with a supersonic ASCM...

Technically the need can be fulfilled by transports and missiles with longer ranges.

 

[I S I]

What did that guy do to you now?
Am I supposed to be responsible for whatever physical abuse you endured at some ones elses behalf?

Nah that chakka couldn't do anything to anybody. He's a nupunsik.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Technically the need can be fulfilled by transports and missiles with longer ranges.

Of course. But combining the two, even as the minor option, makes it another threat the adversary has to think about.

However, I also agree, it can't be a central option either.

Ideally, we'd move towards solar-powered autonomous surface vessels with electric motors armed 2 or 4 supersonic ASCMs. 24 of those lurking about the EEZ would push the A2/AD needle.

 

[CriticalThought]

@Oscar had outlined that the key benefit of the LD-10 (over the MAR-1) is that it can be integrated to a dual-ejector rack alongside the SD-10. Besides the seeker, it's basically the same missile (SD-10/LD-10).

The idea discussed earlier (among enthusiasts) was that the PAF can repurpose the Block-Is into CAS fighters: (1) use the LETRI air-cooled AESA radar; (2) integrate SDB-like and CBU-105-like munitions; (3) find a Brimstone-like AGM (and pair it to the AESA radar's SAR/GMTI); and leverage the SD-10/LD-10 combo.

Interestingly, each of these is available in China (well, a CBU-105-like system is some years away it seems, but it'll come to fruition too), so the main limiting factor is the Block-I itself. Not sure if it'd feasible, but perhaps rebuilding the Block-Is into a Block-II+ (incl. AAR) could be an option too.

As the Block-IIs and Block-IIIs proliferate across the PAF for airpower needs, the Block-Is could be of direct support to the Army, much like the Jaguar DARIN III in the IAF.

Is it possible to use LD-10 in S2A role?

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Is it possible to use LD-10 in S2A role?

As a SAM? I can't say, but if so, then I guess the idea would be pairing an anti-radiation seeker to the DK-10 (i.e., the SAM variant of the SD-10).