Lch vs WZ-10 vs Z-19

[by78]

okay since you cant provide official specification then I have to google it.
Z-19 is inferior in terms of engine, climb rate, speed, load, service ceiling, power/mass.

The specifications for Lch cannot possibly be reliable. The specifications are performance definitions demanded by the end user, which must be met by the prototypes. Have the prototypes met these specifications? Do you know?

The LCA had great specs on paper too, but did the prototypes meet them?

This is why I said it's silly to compare a prototype with something that's in service.

Can't believe you didn't know this.

Do you understand the meaning of official specs?

from your blog (which doesnot provide any official source) it seems to be yet another troll like you): It was reported that Z-19 prototype first flew in May 2010. However one prototype reportedly crashed on September 18, 2010. Currently Z-19 is in production and is entering service with the Army.


where did you come up with the figure of four squadrons? 40-50 helis per year?

Again Troll, provide official specifications of z19. how many z19s are in service?

Did you even read that page? It has photos of the units in service, with their squadron tail numbers. For specs, go to wikipedia. If you don't, then you certainly are stupid.

 

[by78]

Does any forumer here know the progress of the Lch project? When will the gunship enter service?

 

[kurup]

Let's see, you first said that Z-19 "may be good low cost platform and it can be both scout and regular gunship but in many parameters it is still inferior to lch."

Then you asked, "what is z-19?"

TROLL!

By the way, when is Lch entering service? Does ANYONE know?

First of all both comments were made by me not him .

These kinds of problems arises when you chinese instead of reading and comprehending what is written starts posting cr@p to satisfy your ego filled minds .

LCH is but a mere prototype with only three examples.

Then what is z-19 . It is as of now only a mere prototype . Has it been inducted ??

Your comment and mine . Read it and try to comprehend it .

 

[by78]

First of all both comments were made by me not him .

These kinds of problems arises when you chinese instead of reading and comprehending what is written starts posting cr@p to satisfy your ego filled minds .





Your comment and mine . Read it and try to comprehend it .

Or someone might face a permanent ban for having two user accounts.

But honestly, my bad. Since you two's comments came in fast and furious, I got them mixed up.

 

[kaykay]

LCH is superior to Z-19 in almost everything. Hahahahaha

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

The specifications for Lch cannot possibly be reliable. The specifications are performance definitions demanded by the end user, which must be met by the prototypes. Have the prototypes met these specifications? Do you know?

The LCA had great specs on paper too, but did the prototypes meet them?

This is why I said it's silly to compare a prototype with something that's in service.

Can't believe you didn't know this.



Did you even read that page? It has photos of the units in service, with their squadron tail numbers. For specs, go to wikipedia. If you don't, then you certainly are stupid.

Take it easy troll!! Any way making you learn the meaning of "official specs" is futile. CCP hardly releases specs of any of its weapon systems, only propaganda photos. Is very similar to you Fake GDP?

 

[by78]

Take it easy troll!! Any way making you learn the meaning of "official specs" is futile. CCP hardly releases specs of any of its weapon systems, only propaganda photos. Is very similar to you Fake GDP?

That maybe true, but the Chinese have certainly far surpassed our assessment of their capabilities time and time again. Whereas you Indians seem to have the tendency for overly optimistic projections.

I remember watching an NBC Nightly News segment on India back in 2006, where every Indian interviewed swore that India would be a superpower by 2020.

Now, I'm not making predictions, since we are still more than six years away, but that goal appears laughably unrealistic.

You see, that's the problem with you Indians, and I don't mean this in a malicious way. We want to see you do well, but you are not helping yourself by starting a silly thread such as this.

We fear the Chinese precisely because they are taciturn, and they don't advertise, and they don't oversell. They show results. Therefore, the Chinese have to be taken seriously.

That's the difference between the Chinese and the Indians. I see this time and time again.

I'll leave you with this old saying from Texas, "It ain't bragging if you've done it."

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

That maybe true, but the Chinese have certainly far surpassed our assessment of their capabilities time and time again. Whereas you Indians seem to have the tendency for overly optimistic projections.

I remember watching an NBC Nightly News segment on India back in 2006, where every Indian interviewed swore that India would be a superpower by 2020.

Now, I'm not making predictions, since we are still more than six years away, but that goal appears laughably unrealistic.

You see, that's the problem with you Indians, and I don't mean this in a malicious way. We want to see you do well, but you are not helping yourself by starting a silly thread such as this.

We fear the Chinese precisely because they are taciturn, and they don't advertise, and they don't oversell. They show results. Therefore, the Chinese have to be taken seriously.

That's the difference between the Chinese and the Indians. I see this time and time again.

far surpassed our assessment of their capabilities?? what capabilities??

Indeed ccp has surpassed the world in reverse engineering, stealing and in doing propaganda.

 

[HariPrasad]

Z-19 is not inferior to LCH the role is different but it is an open platform, it can perform like AH-1 twin Engine variant with machine gun an optional can be installed, for export market it would be one hell of a low cost Gunship. It can be used as both scout and regular gunship.

@Abingdonboy, you can put your charitable 2 cent back in your pocket Z-10 is deployed, by the time LCH come to the scene Z-10 would be undergoing or would have complete modernization to Block II, personally I find LCH a good gunship as it is home made it comes with alot of advantages but it is as of now not yet comparable to Z-10 one will enter from prototyping to production and the other has been operation and slated for upgrades/modernization.

Like AK 2 and AK3 was to commissioned before Arjun MK 1 comes in Indian army Or More that 250 JF 17 were to be inducted in PAF and 2 squadrons of JF 17 block 2 was planned to be inducted before LCA MK 1 is commissioned?

 

[by78]

far surpassed our assessment of their capabilities?? what capabilities??

Indeed ccp has surpassed the world in reverse engineering, stealing and in doing propaganda.

We (as in the US) didn't believe they'd have a stealth fighter before 2030, at the earliest. Now it appears they will have one in service before this decade is out.

In other areas, the Chinese were able to leapfrog. Their shipborne AESA is at least a generation ahead of the PESA on our Burkes. Now, they didn't copy that radar from us, since we didn't have one to begin with.

Since we blocked their purchase of AWACS from Israel, they developed their own, which is at least one generation ahead of anything the US air force has.

The Chinese have also developed an anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink our ships from 2000km away. That was a nasty surprise. We didn't think this technology was even viable. Again, the Chinese leapfrogged.

Do they steal technology? Hell yeah.

Keep in mind, we all steal. Only idiots don't. Where did you think we got the rocket to send a man to the moon, the internal combustion engine, and the jet engine? We stole them from the Germans.

If India confines itself to indigenous development or imports only, it will never catch up. I have no problem with that: we make more money that way, and so do the Russians.

Again, I'm not judging. Every country is different, and if burying your head in the sand suits you, then by all means.

 

[sweetgrape]

We (as in the US) didn't believe they'd have a stealth fighter before 2030, at the earliest. Now it appears they will have one in service before this decade is out.

In other areas, the Chinese were able to leapfrog. Their shipborne AESA is at least a generation ahead of the PESA on our Burkes. Now, they didn't copy that radar from us, since we didn't have one to begin with.

Since we blocked their purchase of AWACS from Israel, they developed their own, which is at least one generation ahead of anything the US air force has.

The Chinese have also developed an anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink our ships from 2000km away. That was a nasty surprise. We didn't think this technology was even achievable. Again, the Chinese leapfrogged.

Do they steal technology? Hell yeah.

Keep in mind, we all steal. Only idiots don't. Where did you think we got the rocket to send a man to the moon, the internal combustion engine, and the jet engine? We stole them from the Germans.

If India confines itself to indigenous development or imports only, it will never catch up. I have no problem with that: we make more money that way, and so do the Russians.

Again, I'm not judging. Every country is different.

Man, some content in your comment I and many chinese netizen in china forum doubt that, like you said we are ahead of USA in AWACS, Chinese newspaper report that, even chief designer of the AWACS, we also doubt that, maybe it is right, but we still know that we are still far behind of USA comprehensively, ahead of or catch up with USA in few domains don't mean too much, and we know because America have unbelieveable and strong base, they can occpy the domain soon, if they want.

You say china is we are taciturn, yes partly, Chinese also like braging, but, we know now we are backward relatively, nothing to brag in front of the best, so we choose to be silence, if one day we surpass the best, we may become "big mouth", chinese despise the one that have grandiose aims but puny abilities, not only human, also apply to race or nation.

And, In China forum, some reports and comments from other country will post there, maybe you can't understand that, we like reading the comment mocking china(you maybe think we are self-abused, hehe), if some make rational comment, most will say they should be eliminate, rational enemy is not good enemy, hehe!

 

[by78]

Man, some content in your comment I and many chinese netizen in china forum doubt that, like you said we are ahead of USA in AWACS, Chinese newspaper report that, even chief designer of the AWACS, we also doubt that, maybe it is right, but we still know that we are still far behind of USA comprehensively, ahead of or catch up with USA in few domains don't mean too much, and we know because America have unbelieveable and strong base, they can occpy the domain soon, if they want.

You say china is we are taciturn, yes partly, Chinese also like braging, but, we know now we are backward relatively, nothing to brag in front of the best, so we choose to be silence, if one day we surpass the best, we may become "big mouth", chinese despise the one that have grandiose aims but puny abilities, not only human, also apply to race or nation.

And, In China forum, some reports and comments from other country will post there, maybe you can't understand that, we like reading the comment mocking china(you maybe think we are self-abused, hehe), if some make rational comment, most will say they should be eliminate, rational enemy is not good enemy, hehe!

Not disagreeing with you. It's all a matter of perception regarding differences in national cultures. Again, I'm not judging, but the I'd rather do business with a German than a Nigerian, since I prefer those who are reliable, punctual, and have a proven track record of delivering on their promises.

Regarding Chinese AWACS (kj2000/kj200) and shipborne AESA, they are indeed at least one generation ahead of anything we have because AESA is inherently superior to PESA. We may have the lead in sensor fusion or combat information systems, but these cannot overcome the limits of PESA compared to AESA.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

We (as in the US) didn't believe they'd have a stealth fighter before 2030, at the earliest. Now it appears they will have one in service before this decade is out.

What kind of crap is this? They dont have a stealth fighter. j20 and j31 are only prototypes that resemble 5th gen aerodynamic design that doesn't make them 5th gen. What is inside no one knows and from the use of russian engine any one guess where they stand. Now do you understand this?

In other areas, the Chinese were able to leapfrog. Their shipborne AESA is at least a generation ahead of the PESA on our Burkes. Now, they didn't copy that radar from us, since we didn't have one to begin with.

I am scared Lol! can you provide official specs?? Or got this info from a blog?

Since we blocked their purchase of AWACS from Israel, they developed their own, which is at least one generation ahead of anything the US air force has.

Amusing !!! I should have stopped reading here. But I like the fun of reading a Chinese troll. Every day a new propaganda.

The Chinese have also developed an anti-ship ballistic missile that can sink our ships from 2000km away. That was a nasty surprise. We didn't think this technology was even achievable. Again, the Chinese leapfrogged.

AAAAAHHHHHH.....That DF21...31...never mind.

Do they steal technology? Hell yeah.

Thats very honest of you chinese troll, now you gonna loose your 50cents.

Keep in mind, we all steal. Only idiots don't. Where did you think we got the rocket to send a man to the moon, the internal combustion engine, and the jet engine? We stole them from the Germans.

german on moon???? Is that what they teach you in CPC propaganda classes?

 

[by78]

What kind of crap is this? They dont have a stealth fighter. j20 and j31 are only prototypes that resemble 5th gen aerodynamic design that doesn't make them 5th gen. What is inside no one knows and from the use of russian engine any one guess where they stand. Now do you understand this?



I am scared Lol! can you provide official specs?? Or got this info from a blog?



Amusing !!! I should have stopped reading here. But I like the fun of reading a Chinese troll. Every day a new propaganda.



AAAAAHHHHHH.....That DF21...31...never mind.



Thats very honest of you chinese troll, now you gonna loose your 50cents.



german on moon???? Is that what they teach you in CPC propaganda classes?

Wow, and you call me a troll?!

By the way, have you been checking the news?

http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2013/aug/19/india-financial-crisis-rupee-stock-markets

The reason the Chinese have been able to pursue these military projects is that they have the resources (i.e. money). No amount of your skepticism can make up for the fact that India is simply falling behind. I will continue to fall further behind China due to its ongoing economic crisis.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Wow, and you call me a troll?!

By the way, have you been checking the news?

Rupee continues to struggle, hits life low of 65.56 vs dollar - The Times of India

India on the brink of its own financial crisis | Business | The Guardian

The reason the Chinese have been able to pursue these military projects is that they have the resources (i.e. money). No amount of your skepticism can make up for the fact that India is simply falling behind. I will continue to fall further behind China due to its ongoing economic crisis.

Yeah resource to steal from russia usa and buy from ukraine and russia.

Falling behind?? What india have accomplished with a 1 trillion GDP, you CPC trolls could only dream of when you had i trillion economy.