Launch failures common: Experts

[Arjun MBT]

One of your own brothers posted this about how ''Sincere'' Indians might be......

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...t-blind-because-mod-procurement-failures.html

The thread is just the tip of the ice burg in case of corruption everywhere.

ISRO doesn't have the luxury to spend on failing space programs. Maybe the money would have been better spent on health and education.
The guy who claims such failures are common, well that is true, but only for those who can afford it.

NASA lost 2/5 of it's shuttle fleet. But the fact is, NASA is the space agency of a Developed-first world country while ISRO is NOT.


I hope Pakistan does not get into such race. At most Pakistan might want a spy sat or communications sat, and can work with China.

but still we are developing faster than You, You despite having nothing are developing slow, Is that better Or Is this better? You decide?

 

[NAVY SEAL]

so what ,than should pakistan should consider shuting down sparco so money could utilzed by the needy one

 

[P4Pakistan]

SUPARCO whats that?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

who have never failed like endian!

 

[blueoval79]

SUPARCO whats that?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

who have never failed like endian!

Correction: Who didn't do anything ...so there was no chance of failure......

 

[P4Pakistan]

but still we are developing faster than You, You despite having nothing are developing slow, Is that better Or Is this better? You decide?

lol, u are developing faster but still at 0 right!

 

[P4Pakistan]

Correction: Who didn't do anything ...so there was no chance of failure......

first of all go and search on google about SUPARCO achievement! than come to talk
2nd we have great engineers who don't wast our money, have u ever heard about, pakistani missiles test fail,or al-khalid still under devellopement since 25 years, or JF-17.........

 

[blueoval79]

first of all go and search on google about SUPARCO achievement! than come to talk
2nd we have great engineers who don't wast our money, have u ever heard about, pakistani missiles test fail,or al-khalid still under devellopement since 25 years, or JF-17.........

How many Rockets have been Launched from Pakistan in past 60 plus years? ......and


How many satellites have been sent from Pakistan's soil in past 60 Yrs?

Pakistan's Satellite Launch Vehicle

History
On 7th June, 1962, NASA launched a Nike-Cajun (renamed: Rehbar-1) rocket from Pakistani territory. To this date, Suparco claims to have launched over 200 sounding rockets for scientific purposes. The co-operation with NASA led to the training of several Pakistani Scientists abroad. Soon afterwards, Pakistan set in motion its own sounding rocket program.

During the 1980s, Pakistan established high-altitude rocket production and a propulsion factory. Pakistan also built rocket testing, high-speed tracking radar and telemetry related facilities. Today, most rockets acquired or manufactured by Suparco are launched from Sonmiani test range.

Suparco announced in 1981 that Pakistan will launch an indigenous satellite launch vehicle within a decade. In January 1989, Suparco successfully launched a multistage space launch vehicle to an altitude of 480-600 km. The rocket carried a 150 kilogram payload into deep space. A Zenit 2 successfully launched from Baikonur Cosmodrome successfully inserted the 70 kg (154 lbm) Badr-B, a gravity gradient stabilized small Earth Observation satellite designed by Space Innovations Limited (SIL) of the United Kingdom and integrated by Suparco.

Suparco faced severe sanctions on the import of several materials required to launch and manufacture rockets during the early 1990s. These sanctions had an immense impact on Suparco's plan to launch and place its own satellite in orbit.

U.S. based intelligence agencies have reported ties between Suparco and Kahuta Research Laboratories (the key producer of Pakistan's ballistic missiles). It is anticipated that Pakistan's Satellite Launch Vehicles will utilize the advance ballistic missile technology developed by Kahuta Research Laboratories (with possible involvement with Suparco and/or North Korea). Pakistan might use any of its many ballistic missiles as its stages (possibly first and second).

During the IDEAS 2002 defense exhibition Pakdef spotted two similar models of Pakistani Satellite Launch Vehicles. The first model points out a possible three stage SLV. Judging from other similar SLV's, it is estimated that it can place a payload weighing less than 80 kg to an orbit 450 km above Earth's surface. However their exact capabilities can be ascertained only after a successful launch. The second model of the SLV seems similar to the first model however, with four extra boosters.

Suparco has already tested two high altitude sounding rockets; Shahpar and Rakhnum. Shahpar is a 7 meter solid fuel two stage rocket that can carry a payload of 55 kg to an altitude of 450 km. And Rakhnum can lift a payload of 38 kg to an altitude of 100 km.

Several U.S. intelligence reports indicate possible technology exchange between North Korea, Pakistan and Iran. It is possible that a joint satellite launch vehicle and ballistic missile development program was agreed between these countries in 1993.
Current events
While Pakistan plans to deploy an SLV in the future, the exact nature of Pakistan's SLV program remains unknown.

http://en.allexperts.com/e/p/pa/pakistan's_satellite_launch_vehicle.htm

And more information :

Pakistan will launch communications satellite on August 14, 2011

Pakistan will launch its first indigenously developed communications satellite on August 14, 2011, from a facility in China.

Dr Mohammad Riaz Suddle, the director of the Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission’s (Suparco) satellite research and development center in Lahore, said the satellite’s life span will be 15 years.

Responding to a question, Dr Suddle said, the satellite would be launched at a longitude of 38 degrees in geostationary orbit on the equatorial plane at an altitude of 36,000km above the Earth’s surface.

Paksat-1R will carry a communications payload to facilitate the introduction of a range of new services, including broadband internet, digital TV distribution/broadcasting, remote/rural telephony, emergency communications, tele-education and tele-medicine.

The contract for Pakis- tan Communication Satellite (Paksat-1R) was signed between Suparco and China Great Wall Industry Corporation (CGWIC), a Chinese firm, on October 15, 2008, in Beijing, during President Asif Zardari’s visit to China.

Work on the execution of the contract began soon after and is progressing as scheduled, according to Dr Suddle. He did not reveal the cost of the project but said the contract involves various other projects, including infrastructure and therefore it is difficult to invest an exact cost on the satellite itself.

Responding to a question, he said that at least two new satellites – Paksat-1R and Pakistan Remote Sensing Satellite (PRSS) – would be launched in the near future.

The satellites have been developed with technical and financial assistance from China.

The project has been approved by the federal government as part of the Public Sector Development Programme (PSDP), he said.

When quizzed from where the finances for the project were coming , Dr Suddle said that efforts are under way to secure a long-term concessional loan from the Chinese government to finance a major part of the project.

Speaking about the status of Pakistan’s space programme in comparison to that of other countries in the region, Dr Suddle asserted that Pakistan’s space/satellite development programme “needs to make rapid and sustained progress to meet national needs. India has a very advanced space programme”.

At present, Pakistan has a communications satellite, Paksat-1, in orbit, providing coverage across Europe, Africa, the Middle East, Central Asia and the South Asian subcontinent. It is being used by TV broadcasters, telecom companies, data and broadband internet service providers and government organizations.

Paksat-1R will replace Paksat-1, a leased satellite, to ensure continuity of service.

In the 1990s, Pakistan also operated a small satellite, Badr-A, in low earth orbit. however, the country’s modest space program has been oriented towards remote sensing applications.

Badr-A was Pakistan’s first indigenously developed satellite and was launched from the Xichang Launch Centre in China on July 16, 1990 aboard a Chinese Long March 2E rocket. Badr-A weighed 150 pounds and was inserted into an elliptical orbit of 127-615 miles by the rocket. The satellite successfully completed its design life.

Pakistan’s second satellite, Badr-B, was an earth observation satellite and was launched on Dec 10, 2001, on a Zenit-2 rocket from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan. It was designed by Space Innovations Limited, a UK-based company.

Paksat-1 was Pakistan’s first geostationary satellite. It was originally known as Palapa C1, launched in 1996 which had been designed to serve Indonesia. After an electronics failure, it was renamed Anatolia-1 and then renamed again to become Paksat-1 in 2002. It was originally manufactured by Boeing by following the HS601 spacecraft design.

Suparco set about trying to replace Paksat-1 by signing a consultancy deal with Telesat in March 2007, according to the deal, the company will provide consultancy services to Pakistan on the purchase, manufacture and launch of Paksat-1R. Under the agreement, Telesat will help Suparco find a manufacturer and provide technical and commercial advice during the negotiations process. Telesat will also help to oversee the construction of the new satellite and monitor the launch and provide in-orbit testing services.

Reports quoting credible sources said that Pakistan is also working on development of Satellite Launch Vehicles (SLVs), basing their assumption on Pakistan’s success in developing intermediate range ballistic missiles.

Experts believe the missile technology will be used in any SLV. The Indian SLV-3/ASLV uses Agni ballistic missiles as first stage propulsion units and as boosters.

Suparco has already tested two high-altitude sounding rockets: Shahpar and Rakhnum. Shahpar is a seven metre solid fuel two-stage rocket that can carry a payload of 55 kilograms to an altitude of 450 kilometres. Rakhnum can lift a payload of 38kg to an altitude of 100km.

Although Dr Suddle says that Pakistan’s new communication satellite would be launched on August 14, 2011, judging from Pakistan’s progress in ballistic missile technology, analysts do not rule out the possibility that Suparco may just be waiting for the right moment to test Pakistan’s first satellite launch vehicle.

In this context, they cite Dr A.Q. Khan’s reported statement in March 2001, in which he had claimed that Pakistani scientists were busy in the process of building the country’s first SLV and that the project had been assigned to Suparco.

According to reports published in March 2005, former president and retired general Pervez Musharraf had authorised renewed research and development on an indigenous launch capability that would be able to put into orbit a domestically built satellite, Paksat-1R.

http://propakistani.pk/2009/05/11/pakistan-will-launch-communications-satellite-on-august-14-2011/

 

[ambidex]

SUPARCO whats that?:rofl::rofl::rofl:

who have never failed like endian!

I have always seen you writing endian, can you explain about this before i report your post.
Thanks.

 

[BlackSonic]

first of all go and search on google about SUPARCO achievement! than come to talk
2nd we have great engineers who don't wast our money, have u ever heard about, pakistani missiles test fail,or al-khalid still under devellopement since 25 years, or JF-17.........

Well..... congrats for your SUPARCO 's achievements.

But believe me once your space program gets more attention from govt. you will understand how we Indians feel about ISRO.

Imagine in future....all Pakistan is glue to TV and watching their SUPARCO sending something in space which was denied to them by other countries. Tell me how proud you would feel then?

When we produce Su-30 at home...ofcourse we proud of it....but we don't call it historical or something. So you can't compare that with a space program.

All the best for you SUPARCO and its future....

Now How about a tit for tat?

 

[ek_indian]

@blueoval79:

I disagree with you. By comparing ISRO with its Pakistani counterpart is nothing but degradation of ISRO capabilities. Also the thread has nothing to do with them.

ISRO failed this time. But I believe they will get success. I have full confidence which is based on their record.

 

[kashith]

One of your own brothers posted this about how ''Sincere'' Indians might be......

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...t-blind-because-mod-procurement-failures.html

The thread is just the tip of the ice burg in case of corruption everywhere.

ISRO doesn't have the luxury to spend on failing space programs. Maybe the money would have been better spent on health and education.
The guy who claims such failures are common, well that is true, but only for those who can afford it.

NASA lost 2/5 of it's shuttle fleet. But the fact is, NASA is the space agency of a Developed-first world country while ISRO is NOT.


I hope Pakistan does not get into such race. At most Pakistan might want a spy sat or communications sat, and can work with China.

Man why do you have to bring China in every thing between India and Pakista.Come on ..Is Pak a satellite or colony of China??

---------- Post added at 05:51 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:50 PM ----------

China should not come between India and Pak.We can come together and work on our own rockets.

 

[ramu]

first of all go and search on google about SUPARCO achievement! than come to talk
2nd we have great engineers who don't wast our money, have u ever heard about, pakistani missiles test fail ,or al-khalid still under devellopement since 25 years, or JF-17.........

No Pakistan never fails but in war.

Hope that gives you some direction to google.

 

[brahmastra]

self delete

 

[desiman]

it's the first time india lunch with her indigenous cryogenic engine,so it's very normal .i don't know if other 4 countries (U,F,R,J) have the similar experience ,CZ-3C also failed the first lunch in 1996


good luck next time

nice to see an intelligent reply finally, gosh the amount of trolls here is growing day by day. keep up the good work.

 

[gogbot]

Stop trolling all of you.

This is not a Pak vs India .

Stop bringing Pak in to the discussion.