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Latest Buzz: Israel offers to participate in Super Sukhoi upgrade with GaN AESA?

Hearing from sources that Israel after offering India their 2052 AESA with GaA modules for different jets upgrade programs (LCA MK1A, Jaguars and later Mirages), they have proposed to make the GaN AESA through a JV with India.

Elta's offer, however, came with the condition that at least one more fighter in the IAF's inventory should field the ELM-2052 AESA radar. To sweeten the deal, Elta offered to work jointly with HAL on an improved version of the ELM-2052.

This was a win-win for both Elta and HAL. "Look at the market HAL provides Elta. The 61 Jaguars being upgraded to DARIN-3 would all be fitted with the ELM-2052. At least 100 Tejas would get the improved version, possibly with more to follow. Meanwhile, 50 IAF Mirage-2000 fighters are being upgraded, but with a manual radar that could become obsolescent quickly. So the improved AESA could eventually equip the Mirage fleet too,adding up to 200-plus radars," says Raju.(Chmn HAL)


The latest twist in the story is that they have proposed the upgraded GaN AESA for Super Sukhoi MLU program. The backend software help will be provided by Israel only. Israel has cited that recent technology development it has done for its cutting edge F35 customization has enabled it to have a 360 degree viewing day and night assimilation which can be integrated to the pilots cockpit for MKI upgrade.

This technological leap has stumped IAF and MOD as they were expecting a sensor fusion upgradation package from Russia for Super program and a further step up in the same sensor fusion in their coveted 5th Gen FGFA/PAKFA program.

Israel had asked for ZERO cost for development or time for GaN AESA radar development and has indicated its strongest desire to have the JV and participate in Make In India program.

IAF chief Raha, DM MP both has requested PM NaMo to have a further discussion with the Russian counterparts in their December Summit and seek out whats there in the radar and sensor fusion package to have a comparison, cost and benefit analysis. Since Su 30 MKI has already french and israeli tech, the possibility of having this upgrade from Israel is actually very tempting.

The source says

"From 200 GaA AESA add 350 GaN AESA (MKI eventually will reach 350 with an additional tranche prepared to order beyond 272) and minimum of 100+ RBE 2 AESA all under 5th gen jets implies IAF is potentially looking at 700 AESA equipped jets. With 5th Gen birds and their AESA tech eventually with retirement also of some birds, IAF is looking at minimum of 800-850+ AESA equipped jets. They key now is time bound decision making and implementation. The face of IAF can be changed to a far more destructive lean and mean force in a short time if we get this done"

Mouth watering prospects.. Israel is turning up the heat with radars, SAMS (Spyder, Barak8) etc.. I am waiting to see what next they pull out from their magical hat...
 
that is way too juicy fruit to be ignoared but i have reservation as to will russia agree with it but if it goes thru then make no mistake all indian current frontline fighters just might field latest version of EL2052 :coffee:
 
Wooooowwww.. this is great.. just great.. they're not even asking for any dev costs.. just awesome.

@PARIKRAMA dude can you give little details about the radar
 
Israelis are very shrewed with high business acumen, they know when to hit with hammer. this deal is very lucrative as well as very potent seeing there sophistication in AESA radars
 
if an israeli AESA Radar is fitted to MKI that means the tracking capacity of MKI will increase almost more than twice if not thrice meaning an MKI with Israeli EL-2052 could track a F-16BLK52 at the range of 200+miles and if there is an israeli radar then so will be the latest version of israeli EW suits , ECM , Self Protection Jammers's & wepon pacage that will make MKI the best 4th gen flanker variant in the world :dance3:

long live indo israeli friendship :agree:
 
Seriously...Aesa for Jaguars .....and as far as mirage is concern we still need to upgrade it to Mirage 2000 Mk2 standard where it will be fitted with RDY 2 radar..Their are alot of holes in this article...
 
Latest Buzz: Israel offers to participate in Super Sukhoi upgrade with GaN AESA?

Hearing from sources that Israel after offering India their 2052 AESA with GaA modules for different jets upgrade programs (LCA MK1A, Jaguars and later Mirages), they have proposed to make the GaN AESA through a JV with India.

Elta's offer, however, came with the condition that at least one more fighter in the IAF's inventory should field the ELM-2052 AESA radar. To sweeten the deal, Elta offered to work jointly with HAL on an improved version of the ELM-2052.

This was a win-win for both Elta and HAL. "Look at the market HAL provides Elta. The 61 Jaguars being upgraded to DARIN-3 would all be fitted with the ELM-2052. At least 100 Tejas would get the improved version, possibly with more to follow. Meanwhile, 50 IAF Mirage-2000 fighters are being upgraded, but with a manual radar that could become obsolescent quickly. So the improved AESA could eventually equip the Mirage fleet too,adding up to 200-plus radars," says Raju.(Chmn HAL)


The latest twist in the story is that they have proposed the upgraded GaN AESA for Super Sukhoi MLU program. The backend software help will be provided by Israel only. Israel has cited that recent technology development it has done for its cutting edge F35 customization has enabled it to have a 360 degree viewing day and night assimilation which can be integrated to the pilots cockpit for MKI upgrade.

This technological leap has stumped IAF and MOD as they were expecting a sensor fusion upgradation package from Russia for Super program and a further step up in the same sensor fusion in their coveted 5th Gen FGFA/PAKFA program.

Israel had asked for ZERO cost for development or time for GaN AESA radar development and has indicated its strongest desire to have the JV and participate in Make In India program.

IAF chief Raha, DM MP both has requested PM NaMo to have a further discussion with the Russian counterparts in their December Summit and seek out whats there in the radar and sensor fusion package to have a comparison, cost and benefit analysis. Since Su 30 MKI has already french and israeli tech, the possibility of having this upgrade from Israel is actually very tempting.

The source says

"From 200 GaA AESA add 350 GaN AESA (MKI eventually will reach 350 with an additional tranche prepared to order beyond 272) and minimum of 100+ RBE 2 AESA all under 5th gen jets implies IAF is potentially looking at 700 AESA equipped jets. With 5th Gen birds and their AESA tech eventually with retirement also of some birds, IAF is looking at minimum of 800-850+ AESA equipped jets. They key now is time bound decision making and implementation. The face of IAF can be changed to a far more destructive lean and mean force in a short time if we get this done"

Mouth watering prospects.. Israel is turning up the heat with radars, SAMS (Spyder, Barak8) etc.. I am waiting to see what next they pull out from their magical hat...

All this is good but MKI desperately needs a new engine- And Extended range(150-200km) Self-Guided BVR AAM-
 
Why BEL should not be asked for their offer.
 
Latest Buzz: Israel offers to participate in Super Sukhoi upgrade with GaN AESA?

Hearing from sources that Israel after offering India their 2052 AESA with GaA modules for different jets upgrade programs (LCA MK1A, Jaguars and later Mirages), they have proposed to make the GaN AESA through a JV with India.

Elta's offer, however, came with the condition that at least one more fighter in the IAF's inventory should field the ELM-2052 AESA radar. To sweeten the deal, Elta offered to work jointly with HAL on an improved version of the ELM-2052.

This was a win-win for both Elta and HAL. "Look at the market HAL provides Elta. The 61 Jaguars being upgraded to DARIN-3 would all be fitted with the ELM-2052. At least 100 Tejas would get the improved version, possibly with more to follow. Meanwhile, 50 IAF Mirage-2000 fighters are being upgraded, but with a manual radar that could become obsolescent quickly. So the improved AESA could eventually equip the Mirage fleet too,adding up to 200-plus radars," says Raju.(Chmn HAL)


The latest twist in the story is that they have proposed the upgraded GaN AESA for Super Sukhoi MLU program. The backend software help will be provided by Israel only. Israel has cited that recent technology development it has done for its cutting edge F35 customization has enabled it to have a 360 degree viewing day and night assimilation which can be integrated to the pilots cockpit for MKI upgrade.

This technological leap has stumped IAF and MOD as they were expecting a sensor fusion upgradation package from Russia for Super program and a further step up in the same sensor fusion in their coveted 5th Gen FGFA/PAKFA program.

Israel had asked for ZERO cost for development or time for GaN AESA radar development and has indicated its strongest desire to have the JV and participate in Make In India program.

IAF chief Raha, DM MP both has requested PM NaMo to have a further discussion with the Russian counterparts in their December Summit and seek out whats there in the radar and sensor fusion package to have a comparison, cost and benefit analysis. Since Su 30 MKI has already french and israeli tech, the possibility of having this upgrade from Israel is actually very tempting.

The source says

"From 200 GaA AESA add 350 GaN AESA (MKI eventually will reach 350 with an additional tranche prepared to order beyond 272) and minimum of 100+ RBE 2 AESA all under 5th gen jets implies IAF is potentially looking at 700 AESA equipped jets. With 5th Gen birds and their AESA tech eventually with retirement also of some birds, IAF is looking at minimum of 800-850+ AESA equipped jets. They key now is time bound decision making and implementation. The face of IAF can be changed to a far more destructive lean and mean force in a short time if we get this done"

Mouth watering prospects.. Israel is turning up the heat with radars, SAMS (Spyder, Barak8) etc.. I am waiting to see what next they pull out from their magical hat...

This is good news, it also bring down the cost of spares & solutions if we buy radars from single source for LCA & SU-30.
 

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