LAST CHANCE FOR MORE IAF C-17S

[PARIKRAMA]

LAST CHANCE FOR MORE IAF C-17S

Indian Air Force's C-17 Globemaster III

With Australian Air Force ordering two more C-17s, the number of white-tail platforms (fully built but unsold) drops to five, giving the Indian government one final opportunity to augment its 10-strong fleet of the heavy transport jet. Boeing's massive C-17 facility at Long Beach, California is expected to be converted into an engineering centre with the end of aircraft manufacturing operations there.

While the Indian government has made no official commitment to purchasing more C-17s, the U.S. government hopes that the recent Yemen rescue operations could spur interest in using this final opportunity to get some of the last airframes available in the world market. Budgetary issues and other procurement priorities may nix any interest, though it is well known that the IAF has been informally keen for a while now to top up its Skylords squadron. Boeing recently said in a statement, "As Australia, India and customers around the world have experienced first-hand, the C-17 remains unmatched in its ability to transport troops and heavy cargo, support airdrops and aeromedical evacuations, and land and takeoff in remote airfields.

Recently, the Indian Air Force’s C-17s have been extensively utilized for Human Assistance Disaster Relief (HADR) operations by bringing home over almost 2000 Indians evacuated from Yemen and clocking over 150 hours."


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[uparyupari]

Now THIS is worth buying. It will serve us for the next 30-40 years easily.

 

[janon]

Now THIS is worth buying. It will serve us for the next 30-40 years easily.

At what price, is the question. The previous purchase was obscenely expensive, unless it included hidden costs for under the table deals.

 

[uparyupari]

At what price, is the question. The previous purchase was obscenely expensive, unless it included hidden costs for under the table deals.

It was a G2G buy, so any purchase will be at a price the US Govt. purchased it from Boeing. Besides the line is winding up and they are unlikely to charge us anything more. They would just be happy to get the order.

It was 5.1 billion $ for 10 last time. I guess it would be for the same price. It is VERY expensive, but its uptime is something he IL 78 can never match.

 

[janon]

It was a G2G buy, so any purchase will be at a price the US Govt. purchased it from Boeing. Besides the line is winding up and they are unlikely to charge us anything more. They would just be happy to get the order.

It was 5.1 billion $ for 10 last time. I guess it would be for the same price. It is VERY expensive, but its uptime is something he IL 78 can never match.

It was G2G, but was it through FMS? That's the route that guarantees the same price as was charged to the USG.

Anyway, compare it with the cost that other countries recently paid, including Australia. For some reason, India paid a lot more than they did.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Responding to a question from Business Standard about the Globemaster’s high cost, Vivek Lall, the India chief of Boeing Defence Space & Security (BDS), has clarified by email that the US $5.8 billion, “is on higher side of what the actual cost could be…. India may not need all the services and items that the US Air Force is offering them. The final cost will be determined by the actual requirements of the Indian Air Force and after negotiations are held.”

In accordance with US law, the US Congress was notified on 23rd April that India wanted to buy ten C-17 Globemaster III aircraft directly from the US government (under the Foreign Military Sale, or FMS, programme) for an estimated US $580 million per aircraft. In contrast, the IL-76, can be bought for less than one-tenth that price: about US $50 million per aircraft.

 

[uparyupari]

It was G2G, but was it through FMS? That's the route that guarantees the same price as was charged to the USG.

Anyway, compare it with the cost that other countries recently paid, including Australia. For some reason, India paid a lot more than they did.

Yes it was FMS. India had 30% offset clause that makes Boeing invest 30% of the cost in India to build capabilities. I don't think Australia has that clause.

But you make a good point. Australia paid US $ 780 Million for four C-17s.

That is 195 million $ per aircraft, India paid 510 million $ per aircraft

Defence Force could spend $600m on two new planes | Stuff.co.nz

....
The Defence Force may buy two new aircraft at a minimum cost of $600 million - but NZ First defence spokesman Ron Mark says viable alternatives are being ignored.

However Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee denied he favoured one company over any of the others in procuring replacements for the current Air Force fleet of Hercules C-130s, some of which are nearly 50 years old.

.......Members of Parliament's Foreign Affairs and Defence committee said in a report released last week that the cost of two Boeing C-17 Globemasters would be at least $600m, with an operating cost of $20,000 per hour.

 

[holysaturn]

Human Assistance Disaster Relief (HADR) in other countries is not a priority now, the available fleet should suffice as seen in yemen. C-17's are very expensive and not the need of the hour.

 

[The_Sidewinder]

if cost is on the lower side, we can certainly acquire all 3 remaining aircrafts

 

[GURU DUTT]

It was G2G, but was it through FMS? That's the route that guarantees the same price as was charged to the USG.

Anyway, compare it with the cost that other countries recently paid, including Australia. For some reason, India paid a lot more than they did.

common man even in goverment contracts we pay "bribes" thru channelling money into "other accounts"what is stopping boieng or state departemnt to do so ?

 

[OrionHunter]

If production of C-17s is being discontinued, how about spares, overhaul etc? Who's gonna do it?

 

[Echo_419]

LAST CHANCE FOR MORE IAF C-17S

Indian Air Force's C-17 Globemaster III

With Australian Air Force ordering two more C-17s, the number of white-tail platforms (fully built but unsold) drops to five, giving the Indian government one final opportunity to augment its 10-strong fleet of the heavy transport jet. Boeing's massive C-17 facility at Long Beach, California is expected to be converted into an engineering centre with the end of aircraft manufacturing operations there.

While the Indian government has made no official commitment to purchasing more C-17s, the U.S. government hopes that the recent Yemen rescue operations could spur interest in using this final opportunity to get some of the last airframes available in the world market. Budgetary issues and other procurement priorities may nix any interest, though it is well known that the IAF has been informally keen for a while now to top up its Skylords squadron. Boeing recently said in a statement, "As Australia, India and customers around the world have experienced first-hand, the C-17 remains unmatched in its ability to transport troops and heavy cargo, support airdrops and aeromedical evacuations, and land and takeoff in remote airfields.

Recently, the Indian Air Force’s C-17s have been extensively utilized for Human Assistance Disaster Relief (HADR) operations by bringing home over almost 2000 Indians evacuated from Yemen and clocking over 150 hours."


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We need these

 

[uparyupari]

Dr. Vivek Lal who was the Director of Boeing India at that time is a relative of Rajiv Gandhi. He appears to be the grand son of Braj Kumar Nehru, former Ambasedor of India and Nehru's first cousin.

So I suppose 2-2.5 billion $ might have gone into Sonia Gandhi account.

Vivek Lal is now head of Reliance Aerospace

So now we know why the C-17 cost us 2-3 times of what it cost Australia.

 

[Rocky25]

It is very costly, I hope we can buy more cheaper ones with lower capabilities!

 

[Ind4Ever]

If production of C-17s is being discontinued, how about spares, overhaul etc? Who's gonna do it?

Spares will be available but production will be stopped . Lots of other countries are operating C17s too . So spares will be available .