Large scale operation launched by Army in Lakki Marwat

[PakCan]

so all the sacrifices of soldiers went to waste because sur Bajwa was too busy with politics. This piece of shit should be held accountable

 

[Signalian]

Military response is only a very small part of tackling an insurgency. No point in military operations if civilian government won’t develop the areas and give locals job opportunities and tackle poverty. And no point if government doesn’t tackle their ideology head on and destroy them using their own ideology against them. If military might was the only answer Pakistan would have won long ago.

and in the end, thanks to incompetence of Government and civilian setups, the military gets to shoulder the burden.

 

[PakCan]

and in the end, thanks to incompetence of Government and civilian setups, the military gets to shoulder the burden.

Well Military was running the show for last 8 months.

 

[Sayfullah]

and in the end, thanks to incompetence of Government and civilian setups, the military gets to shoulder the burden.

If military stops playing with Pakistan, stays within its limits and, stops interfering in politics, maybe a competent civilian setup can take control and lead the country .

 

[Signalian]

If military stops playing with Pakistan, stays within its limits and, stops interfering in politics, maybe a competent civilian setup can take control and lead the country .

Military has kept its word since April 2022, all conspiracy theories have come out to be false against Military and COAS, so where is the performance matrix of departments in FATA ?
And the performance matrix of a competent civil government (for instance so called competent PTI), how has it performed in FATA region after Military ops ? after US withdrawal/Taliban takeover of Afghanistan ?

 

[ziaulislam]

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The locals are saying for months that TTP s are allowed in through boarder...I thought it was just propoganda but this is all weird and fucked up.

Whose in control in Afghanistan there isn't India or USA in this region anymore

All this BS To cause more misery to local people and more ill prepared and unprotected FC people will die.

While the TTP and good Taliban will go back and have tea together again

and in the end, thanks to incompetence of Government and civilian setups, the military gets to shoulder the burden.

There never has been a civilian govt in Pakistan

You have a civilian govt for it to be incompetent

It's all been about corruption

 

[Sayfullah]

for instance so called competent PTI)

Didn’t you your self say military interfered in politics to bring them to power in 2018?
You prove my point.
Military brings incompetents to power an messes up the country.

Military has kept its word since April 2022, all conspiracy theories have come out to be false against Military and COAS,

Rewatch all the ISPR briefings. DG ISPR contradicts him self on live tv on multiple accounts. It had to put DG ISI on camera and had little effect. So much for “kept its word” Lool.

so where is the performance matrix of departments in FATA ?
And the performance matrix of a competent civil government

Didn’t army want the likes of ptm to win in those areas and come in NA. Isn’t that why it convinced IK not to oppose ptm in waziristan in 2018 elections?

how has it performed in FATA region after Military ops ?

When has military withdrawn from fata and stopped its interference to allow civilian governments to operate?
Until US withdrawal from AFG, military was doing its double game with usa out of fata (not deniable as I personally know someone a part of this). When military stops playing good and bad Taliban (not deniable no matter what you want to believe) and allows free and fair elections and allows civilian government to operate, then we will see development.

after US withdrawal/Taliban takeover of Afghanistan ?

At the borders is it not the army? How has army performed in guarding the border? How has army dealt with the Taliban takeover?
Civilian governments and military work hand in hand against insurgencies. When military steps out of line then it messes up everything. After all, it was military which wanted Taliban takeover in Afghanistan for pretty valid reasons (again this is a non deniable fact) so, how has military prepared to deal with the situation they created and wanted?

 

[Signalian]

Didn’t you your self say military interfered in politics to bring them to power in 2018?
You prove my point.
Military brings incompetents to power an messes up the country.

Rewatch all the ISPR briefings. DG ISPR contradicts him self on live tv on multiple accounts. It had to put DG ISI on camera and had little effect. So much for “kept its word” Lool.

Didn’t army want the likes of ptm to win in those areas and come in NA. Isn’t that why it convinced IK not to oppose ptm in waziristan in 2018 elections?

When has military withdrawn from fata and stopped its interference to allow civilian governments to operate?
Until US withdrawal from AFG, military was doing its double game with usa out of fata (not deniable as I personally know someone a part of this). When military stops playing good and bad Taliban (not deniable no matter what you want to believe) and allows free and fair elections and allows civilian government to operate, then we will see development.

At the borders is it not the army? How has army performed in guarding the border? How has army dealt with the Taliban takeover?
Civilian governments and military work hand in hand against insurgencies. When military steps out of line then it messes up everything. After all, it was military which wanted Taliban takeover in Afghanistan for pretty valid reasons (again this is a non deniable fact) so, how has military prepared to deal with the situation they created and wanted?

so basically PTI did nothing in swat or FATA ?

 

[SQ8]

so basically PTI did nothing in swat or FATA ?

The issue isn’t the PTI or any government whatsoever. Because a civilian setup was never allowed to flourish by the dictatorships(hand in hand with feudal/tribal forces) prior and intellectual capacity not staying within Pakistan to forge an effective civil service and governing class - there isn’t a mature enough government system capable of taking over when the kinetic subject matter experts are done with their part.

Those kinetic SMEs don’t have expertise in the civil/soft power side of things(nor should they or any professional military be expected to have so) and hence they do what they can within their limited experience within that field.

Call it sins of the father but Pakistan is suffering perpetually from selfish generations each focused on their today. Be it Ghulam Mohammad, Ayub Khan, Bhutto or Musharraf -because the leadership immediately gets stuck in self preservation.

 

[Signalian]

Those kinetic SMEs don’t have expertise in the civil/soft power side of things(nor should they or any professional military be expected to have so) and hence they do what they can within their limited experience within that field.

Glad you came along . This is the issue.

After all the destruction and dislocation, one has to use a magnifying glass to find the related experts of respective fields who can raise the society from ashes towards the top in FATA. Military has to finish what it started but there is no foreseeable structure that has the planning, strategy, and can nurture a newly cleansed area into a prosperous region.

 

[Menace2Society]

A fully manned border with a concrete wall and armed drone coverage will fix your issue but your funds are limited.

Afghans want access to the sea and they will not stop unless you are proactive on the border.

Bite the bullet, move out FC and bring in troops and drones. Up the defence budget by a billion if you have to.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Up the defence budget by a billion if you have to.

Bajwa's family became billionaires

So where is that defense money really going?

 

[Goritoes]

Finally the incompetent Army doing something they are paid a fortune to do, I hope they push these TTP animals back and stop playing politics and p0rn p0rn..

 

[SQ8]

Glad you came along . This is the issue.

After all the destruction and dislocation, one has to use a magnifying glass to find the related experts of respective fields who can raise the society from ashes towards the top in FATA. Military has to finish what it started but there is no foreseeable structure that has the planning, strategy, and can nurture a newly cleansed area into a prosperous region.

Similar frustrations was voiced by USmil in AFG.
They were simply not prepared (despite all cash flow and all) to understand the local issues and undertake political weaving.

The PA/FWO can rebuild fences, roads and schools - but they are not equipped (nor do they project the image) of soft power(they carry guns) and local mandate (regardless of local troop sourcing aren’t “locals”).

Now if they are made to either by superiors who have taken the mandate of power or by lack of civilian support due to capabilities or will then they will not perform any better than their limited training in this space lets them,

One can blame ayub khan or Zia or Bhutto - but at this point instead of making “political loss or military loss statements” the military needs to say we fucked up and we need xyz support and the civil bureaucracy and others need to admit their **** ups and sit down to brainstorm leaving their egos at home.

Because right now, the entire behavior is like rats on a piece of bread floating in a sea and the rats are busy eating the same bread and fighting each other for it while their “lifeboat” sinks around them.

 

[Enigma SIG]

and in the end, thanks to incompetence of Government and civilian setups, the military gets to shoulder the burden.

If only the army could stop picking up old senators and stripping their clothes the COAS could focus on his job.