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SC summons defence, interior secretaries: Denial of counsel’s access to court martial convict

By Nasir Iqbal

ISLAMABAD, June 20: The Supreme Court on Thursday summoned the secretaries of interior and defence on June 25 to explain non-compliance with a court order regarding legal counsel’s access to one of the missing persons, Imran Munir, sentenced to eight-year imprisonment by the Field General Court Martial (FGCM) in a spying case.

The court also sought a complete record of proceedings of the court martial and a report on health condition of Imran Munir who is currently in the military custody in Jhelum.

A three-member Supreme Court bench comprising Justice Javed Iqbal, Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar and Justice Falak Sher took up petitions filed by the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan (HRCP), former PPP senator Farhatullah Babar for the recovery of missing persons and complaints of Ms Amina Masood Janjua, Saqlain Mehdi, Aisha, Abdul Ghaffar, Amtul Hafiz, Fatima, Mohammad Ikram Alvi, Arif Abbasi, Syed Babar and others.

During the hearing, HRCP chairperson Asma Jehangir claimed that what necessitated Imran Munir’s arrest was not spying but a love affair with a woman relative of an Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) officer.

The interior ministry had categorically denied before a Rawalpindi bench of the Lahore High Court in 2006 that Imran was in the custody of any intelligence agency, but later admitted before the Supreme Court that he was with them on charges of spying.

Advocate Abdul Mujeeb Pirzada, representing Imran Munir, complained that he was not allowed to meet his client despite court orders and said the dignity of the court was being violated by the government.

National Crisis Management Cell’s deputy director Col Javed Iqbal Lodhi informed the court that Imran Munir had been sentenced to eight-year imprisonment by the FGCM on espionage charges.

The bench served notice on the federal defence and interior secretaries to appear in person on Monday and directed Deputy Attorney General Tariq Mehmood Khokar to prepare a medical report about the health condition of Imran Munir, and provide record of proceedings of the court martial.

The court was informed that five more of the remaining 156 missing persons had been traced. Out of the five traced persons, Mehruddin Marri is at his home in Badin. Asaif Bladi, Chetan Kumar and G.M. Bhgat, however, are absconders in an explosive case. The fifth, Imran Ali Naqvi, is detained under the Security of Pakistan Act and a meeting with his mother is being arranged.

Col Lodhi said 107 persons from the list of 254 missing persons had been traced.Justice Javed Iqbal observed that cases of missing persons were on the rise and it appeared that a special bench would be needed to conduct regular hearing of such cases or a commission needed to be formed to deal with the cases. He hinted that at the end of the case, the court would fix responsibility to punish the authorities responsible.

Justice Javed Iqbal directed Crisis Management Cell’s director-general Brig (retd) Javed Iqbal Cheema to be present in the court on every date of hearing since the matter was very serious.

The directives came when HRCP secretary-general Iqbal Haider sought orders to obtain affidavits of persons who had been released from the custody of intelligence agencies.

“These affidavits will help trace other missing persons, besides helping the court in fixing the responsibility of their detention,” he said and suggested to the court to summon the people who had been released.

“They are willing to reveal horrible facts of their detention provided the court ensures their protection,” he said, adding that their horrifying stories “make all of us weep”.

The court directed all parties to provide a consolidated list of missing persons by next date of hearing to ascertain the number of traced, released and missing persons.

The DAG said the wife of Khalid Kawaja had filed an application stating that her husband was in a critical condition and despite orders of the High Court to release, he was still under detention. The court ordered that he might be released if he is not involved in any other case.

About Faisal Faraz, the DAG informed the bench that an FIR had been registered at a police station in Lahore in compliance with the court’s orders, but police were clueless about his whereabouts. Similarly, his companion Masood Janjua and one Attiqur Rehman were also not traceable.

Amina Masood Janjua, the wife of Mr Janjua, told the bench that Maj-Gen Shafqaat had told her father-in-law last year that her husband was alive and was in the custody of the army. This disclosure was an admission to the fact that her husband had been held by the intelligence authorities, she claimed.

Fakhrudin G. Ibrahim, counsel for the HRCP, said his organisation had identified 200 cases of missing people who, it believed, were in the custody of security agencies. The hearing has been adjourned for July 4.

Bottom line: Men were abducted by various intelligence agencies extra-judicially without filing any charges against them and were denied of their basic and constitutional right of defense. As a result of above mentioned case, a total of 107 missing persons out of 254 were eventually released by the government. None of these 107 released people ever charged for any criminal activity yet were detained illegally by the intelligence agencies and were only released due to the SCP's intervention.
 
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We'll talk when you come up with some solid' proofs. BTW, my cat also went missing around the same period, and i firmly believe that it was abducted by some new vaccine-testing-on pets-company! i need justice :cry:

Oh yes where's the Bay coordinates in the news!
 
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We'll talk when you come up with some solid' proofs. BTW, my cat also went missing around the same period, and i firmly believe that it was abducted by some new vaccine-testing-on pets-company! i need justice :cry:
107 out of 254 were released from un-lawful detention, this proves nothing? As for your cat......Yeh she is in my lab, want her back?

Oh yes where's the Bay coordinates in the news!
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was abducted by Pakistani Intelligence Agencies, sold to Americans and he finally ended up in Gitmo. Recent reports suggest that he may be innocent because CIA tortured him to extract information.

Guantanamo Bay detainee: I make up stories

Newly released information suggests that harsh interrogation techniques could lead to false information.

Source: Guantanamo Bay detainee: I make up stories | csmonitor.com

DETAINEES 3900-3901 Summary of FBI interview of detainee at Guantanamo Bay 09/13/02 Notes that "REDACTED stated that all information about his travel to Afghanistan in previous interviews with U.S. authorities was coerced and fabricated. REDACTED claimed that Pakistani authorities threatened him with torture unless he admitted to attending REDACTED.

DETAINEES 3998 Summary of FBI interview of detainee at Guantanamo Bay 04/10/03 Notes that REDACTED "accused Pakistani Police with giving him electric shocks and U.S. troops of beating him. . . . REDACTED lied to the interrogators in Kandahar because he felt that if he didn't say what the interrogators wanted, they would continue to beat him. REDACTED was then shown a photograph of himself taken in Kandahar and asked to point out where any bruises or signs of a beating were located. REDACTED then admitted to lying about the beatings."

DETAINEES 3999-4000 Summary of FBI interview of detainee at Guantanamo Bay 04/16/03 Notes that REDACTED "volunteered that following his arrest in Pakistan, he was moved to a place they called 'The Dark Prison" because there was no light. At this prison, run by the Pakistanis, REDACTED stated he was beaten, tortured and threatened with weapons. He remained in this prison for about one month. Subsequently, he was moved to Bagrum where he was interrogated by females after being stripped naked."

Source: http://www.aclu.org/torturefoia/released/052505/
 
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed innocent:what:

BTW, i still am not convinced of Pakistani int agencies 'selling' people and providing then the tickets to the Bay! Try harder!
 
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was abducted by Pakistani Intelligence Agencies, sold to Americans and he finally ended up in Gitmo.
He was on the most wanted American list. This is how such people end up.
In Pakistan history some times American call the PM and tell that we are comming to abduct your citizen. Than they come and do their job.
It wa sonly last govt. which had the balls to say no foot operation by American troops on Pakistan soil.

Recent reports suggest that he may be innocent because CIA tortured him to extract information.
There is no proof that Afghnis indulged in anti American activities but still US carpet bombed them with stretegic wepons!!!

Guantanamo Bay detainee: I make up stories
He was high profile al-qaeeda operative, rest of all is grey matter.
In 'body of lies' boss said ''no one is innocent in this''

Newly released information suggests that harsh interrogation techniques could lead to false information.
Surprise...
Ask indians who can turn a cricket spectator to spy and than send back his teard body to Zardari govt.
 
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Khalid Sheikh Mohammed innocent:what:

BTW, i still am not convinced of Pakistani int agencies 'selling' people and providing then the tickets to the Bay! Try harder!
There is a lot of hue and cry on this Khalid Sheikh's case and the methods CIA used for interrogation here in US.

The role of Pakistani intelligence agencies and that the GoP sold the abductees was mentioned several times by the ex-CIA chief. I am not going to provide you with his interviews because you will not accept them as well. I am not here to convince somebody, rather to present them with what is available on the public domain. What conclusion one draws after reading all this varies from person to person.
 
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What about Musharraf claiming in his own biography "in the line of fire" that dollars were earned by sending people to US?
 
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What about Musharraf claiming in his own biography "in the line of fire" that dollars were earned by sending people to US?

If i get hold of baitullah mehsud or UBL wouldnt i be earning dollars by sending these 'people' to the US? Oh yes i would!
 
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What about Musharraf claiming in his own biography "in the line of fire" that dollars were earned by sending people to US?
"Many members of al-Qaeda fled Afghanistan and crossed the border into Pakistan," he writes. "We have played cat and mouse with them . . . We have captured 689 and handed over 369 to the United States. We have earned bounties totaling millions of dollars. Those who habitually accuse us of 'not doing enough' in the war on terror should simply ask the CIA how much prize money it has paid to the government of Pakistan." Musharraf's "In the line of fire".

And the interesting thing, this whole paragraph is missing from the Urdu version of his book (Sub Sey Pehlay Pakistan) being sold in Pakistan. This is the level of uprightness and honesty of an ex-serviceman and a former COAS. If this act of collecting bounties on innocents (innocent until proven guilty) was so right why he did not find courage to let his own words remain in the urdu version of his book?

"One lesson of Musharraf's book is that the disastrous US bounty programme itself should come "in the line of fire". If you go to the market place and buy everything that glitters, you will end up with very little gold, but a whole heap of worthless iron pyrites". Clive Stafford Smith.

1. Government officials told in the Supreme Court that people were abducted and detained unlawfully and extra-judicially.

2. Former Dictator admitted that people were abducted, detained and sold.

3. CIA officials admitted that they bought suspected terrorists from Pakistani agencies.

Those who are denying or inventing reasons in defense of the illegal, immoral and extra-judicial act of the Pakistan’s Intelligence Agencies should read Gary Schroen’s book "First In: An Insider's Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in Afghanistan." Another good book to read would be Mullah Abdus Salam Zaeef’s book “A Picture of Guantanamo”. Mullah Zaeef was forced to end his news conferences, seized by Pakistani authorities despite his diplomatic immunity as an Ambassador, and handed over to American operatives. Zaeef was later released from the Guantanamo and sent home for no links could be established between him and the Al-Qaeda.
 
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