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Lakhvi, a free man for now

There is no dark agenda. Pakistani courts are literally following the law down to the last letter, so they cannot and should not be blamed for his release. The investigation is moving at a slow pace, because there is very little coordination between Indian investigators and Pakistani investigators, simply because India still thinks that Pakistan's courts haven't changed since the time of dictatorships, and can simply pass a judgement by ignoring the law and constitution. India's side simply doesn't feel the need to coordinate efforts between the two sides, because the expectation is that Pakistan should just find him guilty, as the courts would do under dictatorships, and hang or extradite him.

Pakistan feels that India is being too unrealistic in it's expectations. They feel India is looking for a quick prosecution, when in reality, these trials can go on for years. 9/11, and even Samjhota are prime examples of this. Those two cases are still in court, and are nowhere near complete, so why the expectation that Lakhvi trial is a done deal, and Pakistan is wasting time?


By all due respect the culprits of 9/11 are behind bars or in Jail not living the luxiours life of Lakhvi who was allowed mobiles phones, internet access as well as being able to father a baby inside. Compare that to what the Americans did when they caught 9/11 operatives? they were droned, water boarded and sent to jail.
 
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Emphasising the role played by FBI, Tindall, who is currently based in Hawaii as the FBI's liaison to the US Pacific Command, said the US agency had immediately deployed eight agents from Los Angeles as well as technicians who were "able to glean significant information from GPS, cellphones, satellite phones, Internet data, financial records, witnesses and boats". He said, "A lot of the information led back to Pakistan."

The FBI special agent, however, also stated that the arrest of Ajmal Kasab -- the lone surviving terrorist -- by Mumbai cops was a major turning point, terming him "an incredible source of information".
Again, Kasab was hung before Pakistan could interrogate him, so there goes the "incredible source of information". the location is not being disputed, it's the evidence of guilt of a specific person that's being questioned.
 
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And that's the problem, why is it that India says that it's intel agencies have 100% indisputable proof then? So far, UK, USA and interpol, as far as i'm concerned, have not provided definitive evidence. Phone records, and voice match records are not considered primary evidences, and require other evidences to help build a case.


What about the testimony of Headly, the deportation of 26/11 handler Abu Jundal. These people are real and were part of the plot and both named Lakhvi. Why does Lakhvi not give a voice sample? one simple sample and that would rest the case.

Punjab govt asks Pak SC to restore Lakhvi detention - The Hindu


Anyway it seems sanity is prevailing, this is recent report.

Again, Kasab was hung before Pakistan could interrogate him, so there goes the "incredible source of information". the location is not being disputed, it's the evidence of guilt of a specific person that's being questioned.


Kasab was just a pawn a nobody but Abu Jundal is a bigger fish.
 
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By all due respect the culprits of 9/11 are behind bars or in Jail not living the luxiours life of Lakhvi who was allowed mobiles phones, internet access as well as being able to father a baby inside. Compare that to what the Americans did when they caught 9/11 operatives? they were droned, water boarded and sent to jail.
But look how they did it. I believe in 2009, a suspect was tried in a civilian court and a lot of their evidence ended up being thrown out, precisely because their methods were illegitimate. Water boarding was condemned and evidence gained from it was considered completely worthless, while drone strikes are still controversial to this day. Think about it.

I admit that Lakhvi ended up living in luxury inside the jail house, but that was more to do with corruption rather than some sort of support.
 
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Abu Jundal was only deported recently not that long ago.

But look how they did it. I believe in 2009, a suspect was tried in a civilian court and a lot of their evidence ended up being thrown out, precisely because their methods were illegitimate. Water boarding was condemned and evidence gained from it was considered completely worthless, while drone strikes are still controversial to this day. Think about it.

I admit that Lakhvi ended up living in luxury inside the jail house, but that was more to do with corruption rather than some sort of support.


Depends, I mean some drone strikes have worked otherwise you still would have Ilyas Kashmiri alive.
 
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What about the testimony of Headly, the deportation of 26/11 handler Abu Jundal. These people are real and were part of the plot and both named Lakhvi. Why does Lakhvi not give a voice sample? one simple sample and that would rest the case.
Because simple accusations are not evidence enough. Besides, Pakistan has asked for a testimony from headley, and it's up to the US to provide him before Pakistani courts. Also, both were not directly doing in the attack themselves, so their testimony doesn't carry as much weight.

Punjab govt asks Pak SC to restore Lakhvi detention - The Hindu

Anyway it seems sanity is prevailing, this is recent report.

Kasab was just a pawn a nobody but Abu Jundal is a bigger fish.
I told everyone that he wouldn't stay out for long, and every Indian member laughed at me. IHC has already ordered that the ATC speed up the trial process and finish it within the two months, simply because the courts know the consequences of slowing the trial down. India wants a speedy conclusion, then it will get one, but it may not like the result, simply because of it's own expectations are far too unrealistic.

Abu Jundal was only deported recently not that long ago.
I don't know much about Abu Jundal, which is why I mainly focused on Headley.


Depends, I mean some drone strikes have worked otherwise you still would have Ilyas Kashmiri alive.
But they've also killed a lot of innocent people, including children. That is why they remain controversial, as there is a distinct lack of accountability when it comes to the program.
 
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Because simple accusations are not evidence enough. Besides, Pakistan has asked for a testimony from headley, and it's up to the US to provide him before Pakistani courts. Also, both were not directly doing in the attack themselves, so their testimony doesn't carry as much weight.


I told everyone that he wouldn't stay out for long, and every Indian member laughed at me. IHC has already ordered that the ATC speed up the trial process and finish it within the two months, simply because the courts know the consequences of slowing the trial down. India wants a speedy conclusion, then it will get one, but it may not like the result, simply because of it's own expectations are far too unrealistic.


Considering they did recon and were in Pakistan, his own wife said that he was plotting a attack would suggest otherwise, If my friend robbed a bank but I did the recon and drove the car it would mean I would be a accesory to the crime and directly involved.

Abu Jundal was inside the control room directing the terrorists, that is why he is seen as a big catch.

Mumbai attacks 'planner Abu Jundal was in control room' - BBC News
 
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Considering they did recon and were in Pakistan, his own wife said that he was plotting a attack would suggest otherwise, If my friend robbed a bank but I did the recon and drove the car it would mean I would be a accesory to the crime and directly involved.
That's called circumstantial evidence, in most cases, this sort of evidence needs something else to supplement it's credibility. I don't know about the wife's confession, this is the first time I'm hearing it, but if true, than she would have been summoned to give a testimony. Even then, you'd need hard evidence, such as equipment that the suspect was using. There is a reason why eye witness accounts aren't enough to prosecute criminals in most cases.
 
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That's called circumstantial evidence, in most cases, this sort of evidence needs something else to supplement it's credibility. I don't know about the wife's confession, this is the first time I'm hearing it, but if true, than she would have been summoned to give a testimony. Even then, you'd need hard evidence, such as equipment that the suspect was using. There is a reason why eye witness accounts aren't enough to prosecute criminals in most cases.


But it's all used to build up a case, you have witnesses, phone recordings, computer files, Karachi authorties even siezed the boats I believe. All these add up to a solid case, I am no lawyer but circumstanial evidence is not people who have conducted recon on key installations that were attacked and visited and met with LET leaders and lived (with his wife) in Pakistan for some years.
 
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Abu Jundal was inside the control room directing the terrorists, that is why he is seen as a big catch.

Mumbai attacks 'planner Abu Jundal was in control room' - BBC News
Like I said, I don't know much about Abu Jundal other than what I've read. If geo-location can prove his whereabouts, then fine, but you'd need phone records and recorded conversations to supplement the case against him.

By the way, don't take anything I say personally, I'm simply stating what the law requires. Pakistani courts have changed since the time of Musharraf, they're not puppets that would give a quick judgement. They're fiercely independent, and are known to challenge the military when needed.
 
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But it's all used to build up a case, you have witnesses, phone recordings, computer files, Karachi authorties even siezed the boats I believe. All these add up to a solid case, I am no lawyer but circumstanial evidence is not people who have conducted recon on key installations that were attacked and visited and met with LET leaders and lived (with his wife) in Pakistan for some years.
That is circumstantial evidence. He could simply say that he was a tourist, and that he didn't know the identity of the militants, simple as that. Unless there is evidence to prove he's lying (which there apparently was), his words are the only thing you would have to go by.

Also keep in mind, two different courts may have two different judgement based on the same evidence collected. Simple example: Apple won a case against Samsung in the US for IP infringement, but that same case was thrown out in Japan and South Korea using the same evidence.
 
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There is something fishy with headly as he was origanlly recruited by the FBI but then they claim he went rogue and joined LET.
 
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Mumbai terror attack: US trial puts Pakistan spy agency in the dock | World news | The Guardian


I want to state one thing though, I do not trust the yanks fully on everything. They knew 26/11 was going to happen in my view and part of me thinks they let it.
I should point out, an investigation was conducted and no evidence turned up about the ISI's involvement. There were even allegations from Indian media that the US was only doing it to get on India's good side and use this tragedy to gain political brownie points with India.

There is something fishy with headly as he was origanlly recruited by the FBI but then they claim he went rogue and joined LET.
Never head about that allegation before. All I know is that he changed his name when he came to the US and somewhere down the line, became radicalized.
 
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That is circumstantial evidence. He could simply say that he was a tourist, and that he didn't know the identity of the militants, simple as that. Unless there is evidence to prove he's lying (which there apparently was), his words are the only thing you would have to go by.

Also keep in mind, two different courts may have two different judgement based on the same evidence collected. Simple example: Apple won a case against Samsung in the US for IP infringement, but that same case was thrown out in Japan and South Korea using the same evidence.

But they have the photos he took of the installations,


One of Headley's three wives, Faiza Outalha, a Moroccan, had visited the US Embassy in Islamabad three times between December 2007 and April 2008, claiming that he was a terrorist carrying out missions in India, the report said.

Something murky is going on, I do not trust the Americans fully on 26/11
 
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