Lahore Blast - What we know so far?

[StraightShooter]

why does that question bothers you?
Have you got enough time from all the cow fish and leather threads.
You are an Indian. Know your worth around here

The question of extremism should bother every human.

 

[El Sidd]

The question of extremism should bother every human.

and for that one should not have to look farther than the next street. So do not peak across the border due to your sheer obsession.
Stick to what you can influence.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Lahore Pakistan has got the best equipped command and control center in Pakistan. Bigger than Islamabad and Karachi....still these security breaches are happening. Actually difficult to stop a suicide bomber but....intelligence and monitoring could have preempt it.

https://www.pitb.gov.pk/ic3

 

[The Diplomat]

Lahore Pakistan has got the best equipped command and control center in Pakistan. Bigger than Islamabad and Karachi....still these security breaches are happening. Actually difficult to stop a suicide bomber but....intelligence and monitoring could have preempt it.

Lahore Safe City Project was meant to be complete by now and despite plans of putting CCTV's up at Ferozpur Road; it never happened.

If you are old enough you would know that Ayub Khans’ era was even more peaceful and far more liberal and the period before Ayub even more so.

Any period where dissent in any form is crushed ruthlessly will be peaceful. Afghanistan under Taliban was also peaceful and free of even petty crime. But what is use of peace where even women are beaten up for not wearing full Burqa? Graveyards are tranquil and peaceful places but would anyone living creature want to reside there?

During the Zia era I was frequent visitor to Pakistan because both the parents were living. Indeed it was peaceful because opposition in any form was crushed. However, look at kind of society it created; a mob of the outwardly pious worshipers burned down the US Embassy in Islamabad in November 1979 on mere rumour! In actual fact the Holy Kaaba seizure was purely the work of Saudi born fundamentalists with US having no involvement whatsoever.

Zia created a bigoted & intolerant society where people would kill a totally innocent person without the slightest remorse. I have experienced Pakistan before, during and after the Zia era. In my view Zia was the worst calamity that befell Pakistan.

Unlike Zia supporter, I believe in human rights and not forcing my views on other with a shot gun; you are welcome to love & admire the bigot Zia as hero of Islam as much as you like.

That's what I was trying to say to him. Thanks for adding.

 

[Mrc]

Question is did terrorists know that ferozepur has no cctv yet ... or was it just luck???

 

[The Diplomat]

Question is did terrorists know that ferozepur has no cctv yet ... or was it just luck???

To be honest the more T.V coverage they get the better it is for them... I guess. However my point is that the Safe City Project was meant to be complete and it's not... God knows what loop holes are in our security.

 

[niaz]

I have posted many times before that we can have one hundred operations called Radd ul Fassaad, Khyber or whatever; unless mind-set of the people is changed terrorism from Pakistan will not be eliminated. For example, there are Quranic verses against suicide and also:

“A group of prominent religious scholars in Pakistan has issued a fatwa against suicide attacks, armed insurgency, and the use of force with the aim of imposing Shari'a law.

The fatwa, or religious decree, was issued in Islamabad on May 27 and was signed by 31 noted Islamic scholars at an event organized by the Islamic Research Institute of the International Islamic University.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-scholars-issue-fatwa-against-suicide-attacks/28512637.html

TTP / Lej easily find naïve Pakistani youth to blow themselves up thinking that they doing Allah’s work. In practice they are not following our holy Prophet’s (PBUH) but instead the interpretation of Islam by Syed Qutub of Egypt.

There is a direct “cause & effect” relationship. Arguably, there were other factors such as Soviet invasion of Afghanistan that also contributed to the growth of Kalashnikov culture, intolerance, and drug culture in Pakistan. Even though Zia died 28 years ago, I blame Zia because instead of suppressing the extremism, policies implemented during his reign caused the sectarianism to grow strong and spread across all sectors of the society.

No one could have imagined attacks on Daataa Darbar, Bari Imam, and Sehwan Sharif and Pakpattan Sharif shrines before Zia’s tilt towards the Wahhabis. Now despite refusing to condemn killing of 120 innocent APS children, the bigoted Lal Masjid Mullah can still brazenly carry on spreading his poison. Wasn’t it Zia who allotted the land for Lal Masjid to the current Mullah’s father?

One cannot change the past but one learns from the past and unless my countrymen do so, innocent Pakistanis will continue to lose their lives. Regrettably all people like us can do is to keep pointing out that TTP/LeJ/ ISIS etc. are not doing this for Islam but to gain political power.

 

[Ababeel]

I have posted many times before that we can have one hundred operations called Radd ul Fassaad, Khyber or whatever; unless mind-set of the people is changed terrorism from Pakistan will not be eliminated. For example, there are Quranic verses against suicide and also:

“A group of prominent religious scholars in Pakistan has issued a fatwa against suicide attacks, armed insurgency, and the use of force with the aim of imposing Shari'a law.

The fatwa, or religious decree, was issued in Islamabad on May 27 and was signed by 31 noted Islamic scholars at an event organized by the Islamic Research Institute of the International Islamic University.”

https://www.rferl.org/a/pakistani-scholars-issue-fatwa-against-suicide-attacks/28512637.html

TTP / Lej easily find naïve Pakistani youth to blow themselves up thinking that they doing Allah’s work. In practice they are not following our holy Prophet’s (PBUH) but instead the interpretation of Islam by Syed Qutub of Egypt.

There is a direct “cause & effect” relationship. Arguably, there were other factors such as Soviet invasion of Afghanistan that also contributed to the growth of Kalashnikov culture, intolerance, and drug culture in Pakistan. Even though Zia died 28 years ago, I blame Zia because instead of suppressing the extremism, policies implemented during his reign caused the sectarianism to grow strong and spread across all sectors of the society.

No one could have imagined attacks on Daataa Darbar, Bari Imam, and Sehwan Sharif and Pakpattan Sharif shrines before Zia’s tilt towards the Wahhabis. Now despite refusing to condemn killing of 120 innocent APS children, the bigoted Lal Masjid Mullah can still brazenly carry on spreading his poison. Wasn’t it Zia who allotted the land for Lal Masjid to the current Mullah’s father?

One cannot change the past but one learns from the past and unless my countrymen do so, innocent Pakistanis will continue to lose their lives. Regrettably all people like us can do is to keep pointing out that TTP/LeJ/ ISIS etc. are not doing this for Islam but to gain political power.

Yes one most important way to cut off supply of large manpower to TTP etc. is to implement Sharia Law in Pakistan with honesty as it will take out the air from TTP propaganda that its fighting for Sharia in Pakistan. Thus the sincere but extreme mentality Islamist youths who are falling prey to them will stop joining them and on the other hand Allah Almighty's blessings will be with Pakistan which is despite brought into existence in the name of "Pakistan ka matlab kya-La Ilaha Illalah" is an Islamic nation for namesake full of Biddat and shirk with mazars and turbats everywhere while 97% of "Muslims" are living in the country. Pakistan should had been the fort of real Islamic monotheistic teachings so that the world and specially the Hindus from whom the freedom was taken could have learnt the meanng of what Islam is and how an Islamic society looks like? And they might have come towards Islam like Glow-worm come towards a light.
And by Sharia means the implementation of Islamic teachings in all field of life and on all levels i.e. individual, family, social, judicial, economy, military etc. and not just capital punishments which is used to malign Islam and which is just a fractional part of Islamic sharia.

 

[Morpheus]

Operation Ghazi was conducted all around Pakistan including Punjab to my understanding.

Operation Ghazi was launched by the terrorists. Our army responded with operation Radd-ul-Fasaad.

 

[AshishDelhi]

Yes one most important way to cut off supply of large manpower to TTP etc. is to implement Sharia Law in Pakistan with honesty as it will take out the air from TTP propaganda that its fighting for Sharia in Pakistan. Thus the sincere but extreme mentality Islamist youths who are falling prey to them will stop joining them and on the other hand Allah Almighty's blessings will be with Pakistan which is despite brought into existence in the name of "Pakistan ka matlab kya-La Ilaha Illalah" is an Islamic nation for namesake full of Biddat and shirk with mazars and turbats everywhere while 97% of "Muslims" are living in the country. Pakistan should had been the fort of real Islamic monotheistic teachings so that the world and specially the Hindus from whom the freedom was taken could have learnt the meanng of what Islam is and how an Islamic society looks like? And they might have come towards Islam like Glow-worm come towards a light.
And by Sharia means the implementation of Islamic teachings in all field of life and on all levels i.e. individual, family, social, judicial, economy, military etc. and not just capital punishments which is used to malign Islam and which is just a fractional part of Islamic sharia.

Tbh, not many Pakistani support sharia.

 

[Russell]

Tbh, not many Pakistani support sharia.

Is this a fact?

 

[AshishDelhi]

Is this a fact?

What explains not having sharia even after so many decades and so many different rulers. Those who do jihad for sharia are termed backwards and many times bombed.

 

[Russell]

What explains not having sharia even after so many decades and so many different rulers. Those who do jihad for sharia are termed backwards and many times bombed.

I'm not Pakistani, but just off the top of my head, I'd guess - Inheritance, Marriage and Divorce in Pakistan are done as per Sharia.

 

[AshishDelhi]

I'm not Pakistani, but just off the top of my head, I'd guess - Inheritance, Marriage and Divorce in Pakistan are done as per Sharia.

That's true for India too, read Muslim personal law of India. Both countries follow british system. Zia ul haq brought some sharia elements and is hated for same.

 

[El Sidd]

@waz @WAJsal @Slav Defence @WebMaster

Clear the thread.

All people want to do is use this blast to engage an age old debate about Shari'ah and divide the Pakistanis between the two.

Not to mention throwing in Zia thus maligning army and furthering the divide amongst the political workers.

I am not allowed as per policy to talk about politics. This forum is defence related but is a major hub for political parties to divide and rule Pakistanis along the lines of Zia vs Bhutto which players exploit to malign Islam.

Don't we have enough Persians and Arabs not doing good enough job?

Never has been the hindutva debate religious in nature. But every middle eastern to Persian conquests of the past has been somehow Islam related.

You guys pretty damn well know that Pakistan is a society where every race and every religion resides and are emotional enough.

Raddul Fassad is the name given to this operation which i am a part of just like you guys too.

We are basically taking a hit in Kashmir just because we need to set some things straight.

Your refusal to curb down on this is criminal in my understanding.