Lahore blast facilitator's house razed in Bajaur; father, brothers arrested

[VCheng]

Pakistan is already operating abominations of Colonial Justice System, Colonial Police System, Colonial Education System, Colonial Financial System, Colonial Investigation System; what is FCR in front of all these !!!

They all should be changed as well as FCR, if Pakistan is to progress.

 

[Lahorie]

When yu speak please put away your childish and immature emotion aside.

Who says Humans dont kill children ? Killing children doesn't make you any less human but it sure does make you less Humane. Perhaps you shoudl read about Islamic guide on war. On how to treat non-combatants

I am confused here. Are you talking from Human point of view OR Islamic point of view?

 

[salarsikander]

I am confused here. Are you talking from Human point of view OR Islamic point of view?

Re-read what I said. It is quite comprehensive post. Just keep silly emotions out

Are you talking from Human point of view OR Islamic point of view?

How Would islamic POV be any different from humane POV ?

 

[Lahorie]

They all should be changed as well as FCR, if Pakistan is to progress.

Agreed!!! We are waiting since '47 for that change to come. :-(
We Need improvement in FCR further to make it more effective & refine any un-Islamic points, if present.

Re-read what I said. It is quite comprehensive post. Just keep silly emotions out

How Would islamic POV be any different from humane POV ?

There are many Islamic punishments that are Inhumane according to western standards. Thats why i am confused. We should specify the standard of treatment before discussing the issue of FCR.

 

[salarsikander]

There are many Islamic punishments that are Inhumane according to western standards

I didnt know Western Standard were the benchmark for Humane treatment, when the land of free freely attacks another country under false pretext of WMD and opens and runs guantanamo bay

 

[Lahorie]

I didnt know Western Standard were the benchmark for Humane treatment, when the land of free freely attacks another country under false pretext of WMD and opens and runs guantanamo bay

Every nation on earth has its own humane standards when it comes to treatment of criminals and not all of them identical. Therefore, before declaring any law as inhumane, we need to decide the point of view first because a law may be humane according to one nation while inhumane from PoV of other nation. For example, capital punishment is recommended/permissible in Islam while West call it inhumane.

 

[salarsikander]

Every nation on earth has its own humane standards when it comes to treatment of criminals and not all of them identical. Therefore, before declaring any law as inhumane, we need to decide the point of view first because a law may be humane according to one nation while inhumane from PoV of other nation. For example, capital punishment is recommended/permissible in Islam while West call it inhumane.

Sure. Any country can have any laws. But we follow divine laws. Otherwise there was no reason for Pakistan to exist in first place. Having said The above mentioned Ayat clearly says what @Syed.Ali.Haider said. Feel free to research and then argue

 

[Lahorie]

Sure. Any country can have any laws. But we follow divine laws. Otherwise there was no reason for Pakistan to exist in first place. Having said The above mentioned Ayat clearly says what @Syed.Ali.Haider said. Feel free to research and then argue

Dear, the laws doesn't start & end at Holy Qur'an. There is Hadees and Jurisprudence also in effect in any Islamic justice system. We are fighting the menace of terrorism where children, women and men are being killed without mercy and remorse. The need of time is to increase the level of punishment for any perpetrator who acts against the state. Islam permits making new laws according to the demand of time & situation. Yes, there are strict rules to make new laws but the fact remains that an Islamic state CAN make new laws that fit the crime as the time passes. Anyone may like it or NOT the Islamic permission of new laws of punishment but its there. For example: Its just like the permission to an Islamic state to impose taxes. None can hide behind the Quarnic laws that only Zakat is imposed on us so we will not pay any other taxes

 

[salarsikander]

Dear, the laws doesn't start & end at Holy Qur'an

what an idiocy. The hadith and Jurisprudence are not entirely different. They are in effect an extension to Quran. You cannot wake up one day and say Haram is halal or vice versa. When the ayat clearly says it when Prophet clearly mentioned it the rights and how to conduct war. I cannot expect any tom, DICK and harry coming and shoving his extremism under my throat !

 

[Lahorie]

what an idiocy. The hadith and Jurisprudence are not entirely different. They are in effect an extension to Quran. You cannot wake up one day and say Haram is halal or vice versa. When the ayat clearly says it when Prophet clearly mentioned it the rights and how to conduct war. I cannot expect any tom, DICK and harry coming and shoving his extremism under my throat !

As I said earlier, Islamic state can make new laws because Islam permits under already established guidelines.Its an undeniable fact whether someone likes it or NOT. If you consider this fact/feature of Islam as what you said in the bold part; so be it.

 

[VCheng]

Sure. Any country can have any laws. But we follow divine laws. Otherwise there was no reason for Pakistan to exist in first place. Having said The above mentioned Ayat clearly says what @Syed.Ali.Haider said. Feel free to research and then argue

Correction: We claim to follow divine laws. Our reality is quite different.

 

[salarsikander]

As I said earlier, Islamic state can make new laws because Islam permits under already established guidelines.Its an undeniable fact whether someone likes it or NOT. If you consider this fact/feature of Islam as what you said in the bold part; so be it.

NO it cannot make any laws that are previously clearly defined. Out of its own free will. for that matter do you have islamic jurisprudence to support such action ? No you havent.

established guidelines

It is already established in ayat that you cannot shift he blame of one person to anothers. There is nothing you can discuss, unless you have to save your misplaced ego

 

[Lahorie]

NO it cannot make any laws that are previously clearly defined. Out of its own free will. for that matter do you have islamic jurisprudence to support such action ? No you havent.

There were neither Suicide Bombers in the era of Holy Prophet nor Qur'an contains any punishment for suicide bombers. Therefore, the New Islamic laws are demand of time and established guidelines are already defined on how to make new laws that extend punishment to the families of suicide bombers & facilitators'.

It is already established in ayat that you cannot shift he blame of one person to anothers. There is nothing you can discuss, unless you have to save your misplaced ego

Who is shifting the blame from the culprit?

 

[salarsikander]

There were neither Suicide Bombers in the era of Holy Prophet nor Qur'an contains any punishment for suicide bombers. Therefore, the New Islamic laws are demand of time and established guidelines are already defined on how to make new laws for families of suicide bombers & their facilitaors.



Who is shifting the blame from the culprit?

Then why are they facing the brunt ?

LOL, like seriously ? We are in state of war. Now if takfriis have lost all morals, you cant expect us to do the same. We have clear set of rules and obligations. We cannot harm or punish their members. They played no part in that.

 

[Lahorie]

Then why are they facing the brunt ?

LOL, like seriously ? We are in state of war. Now if takfriis have lost all morals, you cant expect us to do the same. We have clear set of rules and obligations. We cannot harm or punish their members. They played no part in that.

The families should face the burnt because they are NOT keeping eyes on activities of their dependents & every person is answerable for the activities of its dependants.

Nope, Muslims are NEVER allowed to lose morals even in war or war-like scenarios NOR stoop to the inhumane level of takfiris. I am only highlighting the fact that Islamic state is permitted to define any new laws to deal with takfiris/suicide bombers/facilitators while remaining withing the confines of Islam (and ofcourse the person or the group of persons must meet the established guidelines to make new laws)