Lab Grown Meat

[Aepsilons]

I had a lively and funny debate at work a couple weeks ago and I would like to pose the debate here.

I am going to ask two questions. But first...Even though you can gleam from the thread's title on what the debate is heading, I am going to clarify one thing: This is NOT about science.

No...This is NOT about the technicalities of laboratory grown meat. I know there are a few educated people here, especially in the biomedical specialty, and that they can easily impress the readers with the 'hows' of lab grown meat. But rather, this is about science and how science continually stays ahead of morality and legality. To be more precise, this is about the relationships between science, morality, and legality.

So here is the first question...

Q: Would you eat lab grown beef ?

A: Of course you would.

This is not about the science of beef safety, hormones, etc. Cattle raised with growth hormones and antibiotics have been around for decades and no real patterns of harm, other than anecdotes, came from them. So let us not quibble with that. The question is not 'Can lab grown beef be safe?' but 'Will lab grown beef be safe?' The answer is yes. Lab grown beef WILL be safe. There may not be a market for it -- yet. But the science for safe lab grown beef is here.

Lab-grown beef taste test: ‘Almost’ like a burger - The Washington Post

The lab grown steak may not taste like cattle raised steak, but a dose of steak sauce or spices will do just fine covering it up.

We took nearly an hour off work to debate a serious topic. Sometimes the debate was serious, sometimes if was funny. I would like to see how many people on this forum are willing to be intellectually honest about this before I pose the second question. If there is no interest, then let the thread die. No biggie.

So...Would YOU eat lab grown beef ?

I would eat it.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

I would eat it.

What if it is moving........Frankenmeat!

 

[Aepsilons]

What if it is moving........Frankenmeat!

lol, i've eaten plenty of 'living' things before. PS. I love sannakji !

I'd love to eat both...the squid and the um...LOL!!!

lol, i've eaten plenty of 'living' things before. PS. I love sannakji !

I'd love to eat both...the squid and the um...LOL!!!

God, I love Korean girls....

 

[arbit]

There could be worse alternatives

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Haha I am not too keen on cannibalism. Yet

 

[me_itsme]

man you just hit the jackpot !
Big Mac in India

But unfortunately, these international fast food brands dont server beef here. But we do get kickass beef burgers here though in Deli style restaurants. But I think these lab meat can change everything lol

 

[gambit]

I think we have a good enough sampling of attitudes about 'vat meat'.

Here is my second question...

Q: Would you eat lab grown human flesh ?

You do not have to answer for all to see. You can just keep the answer to yourself. But before you answer, keep a couple things in mind...

One...Lab grown human flesh is already here.

Ears, noses grown from stem cells in lab dishes - CBS News

Two...There are no laws against the consumption of human flesh.

To date, there are two ways to get human flesh: Either you kill someone, or you cut up a human corpse.

We have laws about murder and desecration of a human corpse, but there are no laws that explicitly said: Eating human flesh is illegal.

Cannibalism | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute

Cannibalism is the nonconsensual consumption of another human's body matter. In the United States, there are no laws against cannibalism per se, but the act of cannibalism would probably violate laws against murder and against desecration of corpses.

Now, science gave us a third way to have human flesh without harming anyone.

We know that ideals are often declare as 'universal'. I believe the 'freedom of speech' to be 'universal'. You believe Allah is for all peoples and all eras. But the execution of the 'freedom of speech' and the blasphemy laws are local, meaning they are constrained by political borders.

If there are countries that banned the consumption of human flesh, regardless of method of access, and there are countries that do not have such laws, would we be seeing 'cannibalism tourism' ? Yes, we would. We could not call it 'cannibalism' because as the current definition of the word involve the nonconsensual access to human flesh, lab grown human flesh cannot protest its creation and use.

What if it is your own flesh ? We know that lab grown human flesh required nutrients to -- what else -- grow. What if, in the future, there is a kitchen appliance that before you go to work you give it a bit of your own flesh, and with a bag of nutrients you bought at the local supermarket it grows a chunk of meat by the work day's end ? Your DNA => Your own flesh. Weekly dinner parties among friends ?

Like I said earlier, this is about the relationship between science, morality, and legality, and how science continually create situations that first strains our private sense of morality, and later our public legal system when there are conflicting interpretations of what science produced.

So...Would you eat lab grown human flesh ?

 

[The enlightened]

I think we have a good enough sampling of attitudes about 'vat meat'.

Here is my second question...

Q: Would you eat lab grown human flesh ?

You do not have to answer for all to see. You can just keep the answer to yourself. But before you answer, keep a couple things in mind...

One...Lab grown human flesh is already here.

Ears, noses grown from stem cells in lab dishes - CBS News

Two...There are no laws against the consumption of human flesh.

To date, there are two ways to get human flesh: Either you kill someone, or you cut up a human corpse.

We have laws about murder and desecration of a human corpse, but there are no laws that explicitly said: Eating human flesh is illegal.

Cannibalism | Wex Legal Dictionary / Encyclopedia | LII / Legal Information Institute

Now, science gave us a third way to have human flesh without harming anyone.

We know that ideals are often declare as 'universal'. I believe the 'freedom of speech' to be 'universal'. You believe Allah is for all peoples and all eras. But the execution of the 'freedom of speech' and the blasphemy laws are local, meaning they are constrained by political borders.

If there are countries that banned the consumption of human flesh, regardless of method of access, and there are countries that do not have such laws, would we be seeing 'cannibalism tourism' ? Yes, we would. We could not call it 'cannibalism' because as the current definition of the word involve the nonconsensual access to human flesh, lab grown human flesh cannot protest its creation and use.

What if it is your own flesh ? We know that lab grown human flesh required nutrients to -- what else -- grow. What if, in the future, there is a kitchen appliance that before you go to work you give it a bit of your own flesh, and with a bag of nutrients you bought at the local supermarket it grows a chunk of meat by the work day's end ? Your DNA => Your own flesh. Weekly dinner parties among friends ?

Like I said earlier, this is about the relationship between science, morality, and legality, and how science continually create situations that first strains our private sense of morality, and later our public legal system when there are conflicting interpretations of what science produced.

So...Would you eat lab grown human flesh ?

Ewww.........
On second thought I'd take a cup of Einstein's Brain............... and see if I can crack Special Relativity.

 

[topgun047]

Yes I would eat lab grown animal meat.
But human flesh,lab grown or otherwise is a strict no-no.

 

[gambit]

Yes I would eat lab grown animal meat.
But human flesh,lab grown or otherwise is a strict no-no.

Even if it is your own flesh ?

This is not something so abstract like going back in time and kill your own grandfather before he met your grandmother paradox. The technology -- lab grown human flesh -- is here and already in use. The moral and legal issues are waiting to be addressed. Look at in-vitro fertilization and all of its moral and legal complications. Did our parents thought of the day when there is such a notion as a three-parent baby ?

Three-parent baby - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Anubis]

Yes I would...whether it is lab grown or natural it is roughly the same stuff....as long as it does not harm me I would love to eat it....if we can produce more meat faster than genetically modifying cows....I would love to promote it!

 

[Koovie]

But human flesh,lab grown or otherwise is a strict no-no.

And why not? Artificially created tissue can be the answer to the sufferings of millions of people.

 

[syedali73]

I am seriously concerned about the safety profile of this lab-grown beef. Many people do not realize that genes behave very differently in cells that are grown in the petri dish and not in their natural environment. Longer such cells are maintained in the laboratory, farther they go from the original lineage. At present my lab is establishing primary cell lineages from cohorts of breast and colorectal cancer patients. We do gene profiling after every 10 passages (the time at which cells have doubled 10 times or simply 10 generations) and found clear alteration in gene expression with the increased number of cell passages. The same is also true for the stem cells for the stem cells, like other cells, also age. This technology is exciting, but am I ready to consume the meat coming from it, perhaps not.

 

[Aepsilons]

So...Would you eat lab grown human flesh ?

Well , its all protein, right? lol

 

[The enlightened]

Well , its all protein, right? lol

 

[Aepsilons]

lol