Kurdish rebels kill 7 Turkish soldiers

[BATMAN]

??? I'm from Esfahan and wtf are you speaking about???
Kurds are not these terrorist groups. these terrorist groups are not the only ones: mek , jundallah...
Pasban is right: we should be strong to fight them. And solidarity between our countries. These groups are weakening us. Maybe they are not supported directly by a state but they weaken all of us.

I said 'key words'....
Isfahan is a nice place with very nice people..... nothing wrong with the city... i was reffering to future... some thing devinely.

 

[BATMAN]

Do you mean to say that all the Evil starts with the alphabet " I "

Nice logic, I am impressed

No, not every thing.

 

[Pasban]

My ill feelings about Iran! where did you get this idea?

Perhaps a misconception on my part. Had I spoken ill of the Pakistani government I suppose your reaction would have been identical at the onset.

All i'm saying is that Iran regime is not sincier even with its own people its face is different from its reality.
Next i said Iran regime supports TTP and BLA and so does Indina and Israel.
Both organisations have nothing common with Iran religous regime but it makes them happy to torture Pakistan and they don' t mind teaming up with Israel and India in this.

Dear BATMAN, you are well aware that onerous statements are allegations unless and until they are supported by facts. Moreover, the truth remains the truth even if it does not appease me or any other person. Thus, if it follows a certain logic, I'd accept it. That being said, the level of sincerity of the Iranian government with Iranians is as open to debate as the Pakistani government with Pakistanis or any other government or people for that matter. As to the last bit stated by you, there are mirror rumors also amongst Iranians concerning the government of Pakistan. To me, the Iranian government is reasonably vivid and steadfastly supportive of it's foreign policies. I'll not answer for the Indian part, you can take it up with an Indian. As for Iran and Israel, Iran's government is probably the most problematic one for Israel and their interests are too far apart to possibly to not contradict each other. Also, few loathe the Taliban as much as Iranians do and their own loathing towards Iran is equal to this. Lastly, I'd like to say, if you feel a certain group (or government) carries animosity, then be sure that they are too feeling animosity towards themselves as well.

 

[Pasban]

I said 'key words'....
Isfahan is a nice place with very nice people..... nothing wrong with the city... i was reffering to future... some thing devinely.

Do explain the "divine" bit so that I understand well the grouping you made earlier.

 

[Sino-PakFriendship]

PKK Kurdish rebel group and its sister organization, PEJAK, have been receiving support from the US and Israel, an American journalist claims.

"In the past months, Israel and the United States have been working together in support of PKK and its Iranian offshoot PEJAK, I was told by a government consultant with close ties to the Pentagon," said Pulitzer Prize-winning, Seymour Hersh.

In an interview with Turkish gazette, Zaman, the leading American investigative journalist also revealed that the White House has lost control over PKK which has gone rogue.

Earlier, the renowned American journalist accused Washington and the Zionist regime of providing PKK and PEJAK with 'training and equipment' in a secret ploy to destabilize the region.

Commenting on PEJAK, Hersh asserted that Washington considers it as “part of an effort to explore alternative means of applying pressure on Iran.”

The Party for Free Life in Kurdistan (PEJAK) has been behind a string of deadly attacks on security forces in northwestern Iran. PEJAK is considered a terrorist group by Turkey, the United States, and the European Union.


Hersh: US, Israel support PKK


USA and Israel are main supporters of terrorism in the world also i think Usame Bin Laden.

If USA and Israel support PKK, Abdullah Öcalan was not arrested.

 

[turkaholic]

I laugh at the 'rebel' label for PKK terrorists. OF course, it is not your soldiers and citizens dying every effin day by these low life scums. They have to kill an American, an Israeli, or a British citizen with a rocket in order for you guys to label them as terrorists. They enter Turkey through N.Iraq, and use that part of Iraq as a base. Oh of course we are not America or Israel so we cant really enter N.Iraq and get rid of these f'ers as they are no threat to USA and Israel. Ridiculous.

 

[Pasban]

I laugh at the 'rebel' label for PKK terrorists. OF course, it is not your soldiers and citizens dying every effin day by these low life scums. They have to kill an American, an Israeli, or a British citizen with a rocket in order for you guys to label them as terrorists. They enter Turkey through N.Iraq, and use that part of Iraq as a base. Oh of course we are not America or Israel so we cant really enter N.Iraq and get rid of these f'ers as they are no threat to USA and Israel. Ridiculous.

I agree with you mostly. Raids on Iranian security personnel by PEJAK terrorists are conducted from similar safe havens in northern Iraq and the Iranian response is forcibly limited to shelling only (which in this case is more symbolic than truly being effective) though there are claims on Iranian incursions and this may be true. The only real time they are deterred is when actual identifiable kills have been made of operators within Iran. Turkey and Iran needs to work more closely at tackling this problem as it is a nuisance for both (for Turkey even more so).

 

[Pasban]

This is from a Pro-PKK site so the article can be questionable on many grounds but I thought it would be relevant to post it. I actually hope that much of it is true for the most part. Iran has been tempted much to conduct such maneuvers.

PNA- Erbil, Kurdistan - Jabar Yawar, the spokesman of Kurdistan regional security guards has announced that Iranian government has been notified through Kurdistan Region’s representative to Tehran to halt bombarding border villages and pull-out troops in Kurdistan region’s territory, while Iranian troops have landed in the region.


Two days bombarding caused human casualty in Haji Omeran and Choman town and made villagers to evacuate their homes.



According to Abdulwaheed Gwani, Choman Mayor, Iran military forces have crossed border in heights of Choman and Haji Omaran and they brought light and heavy weapons, as well as, they launching new military roads.



What is the matter of concerning is the Iraqi federal government did not convey its concern about it, beside of issued a protest letter for Iranian Embassy in Iraq.

“Kurdistan guard forces is directly ordered by Iraqi government and launch military operation based on the order of Iraqi Army chief of staff Nuri Maliki, they can’t move till do not receive order by him,” Adel Barwari, Iraqi MP has stated in a case regional countries have interfered Kurdistan borders



“According to the item 27 in Iraq-American so-called SOFA agreement, there is a committee in any case like nowadays they get together, then US urges Iraqi Army to challenge risks.” He added



“Iraqi ministry of defense is responsible base on Iraqi permanent constitution for providing security and stability of borders accordance with Kurdistan Region,” he pointed out

Peyamner News Agency

Shelling of Haji Omeran and Choman has been confirmed by Iran. The presence of Iranian troops within the area, if true, has been exaggerated though I believe.

 

[turkaholic]

I agree with you mostly. Raids on Iranian security personnel by PEJAK terrorists are conducted from similar safe havens in northern Iraq and the Iranian response is forcibly limited to shelling only (which in this case is more symbolic than truly being effective) though there are claims on Iranian incursions and this may be true. The only real time they are deterred is when actual identifiable kills have been made of operators within Iran. Turkey and Iran needs to work more closely at tackling this problem as it is a nuisance for both (for Turkey even more so).

Exactly. If both Iran and Turkey get together and plan out a organized simultaneous attacks to PKK camps, we would get rid of these terrorists in no time. We need to help each other out.

 

[AKINCI]

If USA and Israel support PKK, Abdullah Öcalan was not arrested.

It was only show for world public opinion. PKK does not need to Öcalan for fighting. I want tell to you a real happening. When we were attacking to northern Iraq on 1990's, two United Nations' helicopters(CH-60 Blackhawk) was shot down by US aircrafts on south of operation area. The operation was cancelled for three days because of this incident. Why did US aircrafts shot down two unarmed helicopters, beside UN's helicopters? Because these stupids surmise that two helicopters is Turkish.

USA wants proponent countries like Israel on Muslim lands so they are supporting seperatist movements on Kurdistan and Belucistan.

 

[BATMAN]

Dear Pasban.. could you explain this news:

Iran playing into hands of US, Israel: Mousavi

TEHRAN: Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi has hit back at accusations by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that he was siding with Tehran’s foes, charging that it was the regime that was playing into their hands. Mousavi said the damage wrought on the economy and society by the “cult” government of hard line President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was what was helping Iran’s enemies. “It should be asked who has presented a golden opportunity to US, Israel, the hypocrites and the monarchists with all these destructive, non-transparent and misleading policies,” the former prime minister said in a statement posted on his Kaleme.com website on Saturday. “Is it those who seek freedom and justice or dubious cults which have devastated the lives of labourers, teachers and farmers,” he said. afp

My opinion is on surface it seems that Ahmedi Nejad is anti Israel and is helpin the cause of evil in ignorance but from Pakistani perspective we clearly see an alliance of Iran, Israel and Indian when it comes to supporting militias operating inside Pakistan.

BTW.... it is for the record that i happen to have run into an engineer from Iraq.... first ever Iraqi i ever met and i put forward some question in order to learn first hand opinion.... You will be surprised to he plainly told me that Iraq govt. is being run from Tehran!!!
How would you explain the covert US alliance with Tehran in Iraq?

 

[mjnaushad]

Sad News..

RIP.

 

[BATMAN]

Sad News..

RIP.

It is as sad as if Pakistani soldiers were dead.

 

[Pasban]

Dear Pasban.. could you explain this news:

Iran playing into hands of US, Israel: Mousavi

Let take it in pieces..

Iranian opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi has hit back at accusations by supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei that he was siding with Tehran’s foes

Both parties have similar claims and counter-claims against each other. It is like Fazlur-Rehman speaking off the ills of the Pakistani government and policies and criticizing Musharraf who in turn is criticizing such parties himself. Personally, since I do have issues with the internal policies of the government, I'd say Moussavi was the worst thing to have happened to the reform movement and it is because of him that reform has been buried in Iran. Sensationalism done by Iranians abroad affects foreign viewers but the situation within Iran is somewhat different. My point is, claims by Moussavi, Mehi Karroubi and counter-claims by the Iranian government are done to disprove each other. The opposition and reformist groups make attempts to lower people's opinion of the current government. You should be aware of this quiet well as Pakistani opposition politicians make onerous claims as well-- for instance the controversial issue of American drones actually being launched or not from Pakistan.

My opinion is on surface it seems that Ahmedi Nejad is anti Israel and is helpin the cause of evil in ignorance but from Pakistani perspective we clearly see an alliance of Iran, Israel and Indian when it comes to supporting militias operating inside Pakistan.

BTW.... it is for the record that i happen to have run into an engineer from Iraq.... first ever Iraqi i ever met and i put forward some question in order to learn first hand opinion.... You will be surprised to he plainly told me that Iraq govt. is being run from Tehran!!!
How would you explain the covert US alliance with Tehran in Iraq?

From an Iranians perspective, most see an alliance of Pakistan and the United States (itself closely aligned to Israel) and thus Pakistan indirectly contributing to interests which have a negative bearing on Iran. As for supporting militias, Iran in 2000 almost went to war with the Pakistani-supported Taliban in Afghanistan after border clashes and many people (despite several instances of cooperation and exchanges) link certain elements within the Pakistani intelligence to groups in Iranian Baluchistan. Having traveled across Pakistan much though, I do realize the opinion of Pakistanis varies greatly on these issues themselves (I speak fluent Urdu also). I don't wish to post statements by Pakistani opposition and other controversial leaders to explain my point. Like I stated earlier, their are mirror beliefs/ rumors in Iran.

As to the opinion of the Iraqi person, it really varies on whom you speak to. For instance, if I spoke to a pro-TTP or pro-PPP Pakistani, his opinion may vary very from your own regarding many issues. Iraqi politics is too detailed a topic and I am trying to be brief here. There are rows with the current government and Tehran and these are very serious ones. There exist pro-Iran parties which receive the support of Iran as well as there being pro-Iran sentiment in a sizable amount of the population. There are pro-Saddam elements and people in Iraq even today. My own family was gassed by Saddam and I have other issues with him and see him in terrible light.

As for the US and Iran cooperation. It was cooperation based on necessity between two governments at odds rather than a meeting of mutual interests. Iran to me most probably even fed through double-agents serious misinformation to the US pertaining Iraqi arms programs and etc to insist upon the invasion. In turn, the fall of Saddam has been of benefit to Tehran. However, this was not the intended American purpose and Tehran is still mired in Iraq because of the political dead lock (as the current government is no Pro-Iran but rather at odds with Pro-Iran groups which do have influence). Similarily, even before US intervention, Iran supported the Northern Alliance whereas Pakistan and Saudi Arabia supported the Taliban. Since US intervention, this role became extended to the point to oust the Taliban. However, the Karzai government and Iran are not hand in hand. From a bird's eye view, Iran is caught between US troops to it's east and west with neither government supportive of Iran. The US, Israel and Britain are tipped very much against Iran and it's government hence Iranian endeavors to find political common ground in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Russian Federation and China aren't either which way but smoothen or streamline the situation because of their vested interests in the region and in Central Asia.

As for India, developing trade ties, it is of mutual benefit for both states and moreover isolated-Tehran has few countries that favor its position but that does not pit is against Pakistan (actually Iranian opinion pits Pakistani govt. against Iran) for Iran has been developing ties equally with Islamabad (both efforts which are undermined by US foreign policy). Recently, Tehran has been strengthening links with African countries to expand it's diplomatic base.

Hope I have carried my point across. Do answer back if you wish to but I'd reply late for because of work I'd be gone for some weeks. Thanks.

 

[Hashshāshīn]

Iran regime is not sincere? At least they don't like foreign drones kill their civilians! Pakistan has one of the most corrupt leaders...