KSA bans transgenders from performing Umrah

[GoldenRatio1618]

Is Saudia Banning his own country transgenders? then why hate for other countries they are not humans? they are not Muslims?

 

[NomanAli89]

Good move by Saudi Arabia ..... This move doesn't mean they are going to check genitals before issuing visa,
By transgender means someone who is male but dresses and act like female does stupid moves and attracts Gays , these creatures are disease to society and forbidden in Islam,

However I would love to see if Iran announced "All transgenders are more than welcome at all shrines including Ayatullah Abululu Feroze"

 

[Counterpunch]

One needs to see the details of why they had to take such a harsh decision. Usually, media does not portray complete picture. So, until I know the reasons, I will give it to the Saudis. The reasons could range from spreading adultery to the crimes of begging which are taken as normal (and only) professions (unfortunately) for the said people

 

[Divergent]

Try reading the thread please. The OP headline is based on fake news.

My response was to the main thread, I didn't read EVERY comment. I was responding to the title and the content followed. Thank you for the clarification.

 

[Djinn]

Good move by Saudi Arabia ..... This move doesn't mean they are going to check genitals before issuing visa,
By transgender means someone who is male but dresses and act like female does stupid moves and attracts Gays , these creatures are disease to society and forbidden in Islam,

However I would love to see if Iran announced "All transgenders are more than welcome at all shrines including Ayatullah Abululu Feroze"

Seems to be the case.

Anyway I would support such a ban as I find such people repulsive and as a very bad influence on society. I don't want such people visiting my country. It's disgusting. Imagine running into a Farsi transgender (it is legal in their "Islamic" Mullah hellhole).

You do know there are Hermaphrodites in all animals and plants, whose gender cannot be established and they exist in humans too? They are created this way, this is an absolutely ridiculous move by the Saudi's...When Quran and Sunnah dont impose such restriction then Saudis got no religious or moral grounds.
The people you are referring to are called Cross Dressers like Aunty Nawazish or perhaps Eunuchs who have surgeries to change their genders but Hermaphrodites are created this way.

 

[haviZsultan]

One needs to see the details of why they had to take such a harsh decision. Usually, media does not portray complete picture. So, until I know the reasons, I will give it to the Saudis. The reasons could range from spreading adultery to the crimes of begging which are taken as normal (and only) professions (unfortunately) for the said people

Thats stereotyping. There are many transgenders who work and do their work respectfully. The reality is the biases ensure there are few opportunities for them. This lack of opportunities leads some of them to seek prostitution and begging as an alternative. Any person would do the same when faced with oppression. We call Burhan Wani's case something similar and say lack of opportunities made him a militant yet treat transgenders and other people in the same way and do not understand their problems.

By the way I have an innate hatred of gay people because of some problems previously in Canada but these transgenders do not choose to be who they are. They are made that way, like disabled people.

Seems to be the case.

Anyway I would support such a ban as I find such people repulsive and as a very bad influence on society. I don't want such people visiting my country. It's disgusting. Imagine running into a Farsi transgender (it is legal in their "Islamic" Mullah hellhole).



Reminder for people who do not read the thread before replying.

Your country, your rules. Though I do not think I have to agree with it or support it. Its your choice though.

 

[Djinn]

Your country, your rules. Though I do not think I have to agree with it or support it. Its your choice though.

Sorry this cliche rule doesn't apply here. Holy Kabba belongs to all Muslims, Just because Saudi's are the guardians doesn't mean they should be allowed to do whatever they please.

 

[haviZsultan]

Sorry this cliche rule doesn't apply here. Holy Kabba belongs to all Muslims, Just because Saudi's are the guardians doesn't mean they should be allowed to do whatever they please.

In the post before last I mentioned that kaaba mecca and medina should be free to everyone regardless of ethnicity, race, language, culture and sex. But whats the use augmenting tensions. Saudis believe it is their right to do this and we can't do anything about it.

Plus the real problem also exists in our own countries where we don't give transgenders the opportunities for them to advance themselves. They are forced to beg or sell themselves. Its because of our male moral decline and male chauvinism.

It is not permissible in Islam to change genders.

https://islamqa.info/en/21277

https://islamqa.info/en/34553

Also such behavior runs counter to Islamic values and sane moral rules that a society should follow. This perversion is not accepted in KSA.

Besides this news is unfortunately not true.

How do you assume they change gender bro? Some are born that way.

 

[Djinn]

It is not permissible in Islam to change genders.

https://islamqa.info/en/21277

https://islamqa.info/en/34553

Also such behavior runs counter to Islamic values and sane moral rules that a society should follow. This perversion is not accepted in KSA.

Besides this news is unfortunately not true.

Other countries can do what they want to.

Dear there are also people who are born as hermaphrodites you can google it. I am not talking about cross dressers or Eunuchs. If Saudis ban cross dressers or Eunuchs that is understandable but Hermephrodites shouldn't be banned.

 

[Counterpunch]

Thats stereotyping. There are many transgenders who work and do their work respectfully. The reality is the biases ensure there are few opportunities for them. This lack of opportunities leads some of them to seek prostitution and begging as an alternative. Any person would do the same when faced with oppression. We call Burhan Wani's case something similar and say lack of opportunities made him a militant yet treat transgenders and other people in the same way and do not understand their problems.

By the way I have an innate hatred of gay people because of some problems previously in Canada but these transgenders do not choose to be who they are. They are made that way, like disabled people.


Your country, your rules. Though I do not think I have to agree with it or support it. Its your choice though.

I agree in essence to what you have mentioned. It is the circumstances that eventually result in shaping one's future and one's conduct. However, until the time collective acceptance is not created and a safer environment is not provided the mentioned professions will continue to be the only available choices for a great number of transgenders. And till that time any Government will or can chose on clamping that particular segment for keeping its own society from contamination

Moreover, I am not by any intentional effort stereotyping. This is entirely based on my own personal experiences with the like. Apart from common street transgenders, a person with transgender outlook from a very renowned family had horribly hard time defining his sexual orientation and would often be seen stumbling upon what is not right. My heart really goes out for the people who have to endure this, no matter how coldly I think. But no matter how sensitively we think the society in general is not changing and hence, again, the government or any authority figure that wants to prevent contamination has every right to do so (if at all that is the reason behind Saudi's decision)

 

[Well.wisher]

I read somewhere that caliph umar r.a used to give aid to eunuchs because maybe they didn't have any other work in life .
Anyway, if this news was true I wouldn't support this because someone's good , bad deeds or gender is his personal matter and it's between him and his creator .

We're obliged to be good with our fellow muslims , we were not said that only be good to those who are practising muslims . We were said to be nice to every creation of God almighty , muslims , non muslims , animals , plants , country , food everything .

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...ad6pUqTahveSwRXqg&sig2=sm1aoNgeqMLL9COsczyqfA

It's a detail fatwa on eunuch.

God cares about hearts man ..
Never hurt anyone , God cares a lot and it doesn't matter you're a practising muslim or not . Heart has a value to Allah swt .
Never hurt anyone . Try to be nice with everyone .

 

[Zibago]

That's absurd, if it's a case of preventing the Transgenders who were born normal and went off rail, it's not fair on the ones who are innocent and faultless due to the way they've been created. The most they can do is check medical records and certificates to see if they're a natural born state or not.

Ban those from entering who tampered with their natural being and allow those who were born like that.

This news is fake

 

[Syed Taha Wajahat]

Wahabsim and Khumenism are threat for the Islam.