Korea Returning Chinese Character

[ChineseTiger1986]

I see, you are alway think about it, alway dreaming about it, and alway consider it is true ... oh, keep dreaming, we so jealous with you ...

I am not dreaming it, but it is rather the truth, only the Viet trolls believe some dubious statements made by jingoism that their ancestor Baiyue founded the East Asian civilization, while China copied it.

Whether you like it or not, China was the founder of the East Asian civilization, if you don't like it, then you can leave it.

Go latinized or westernized yourself, no one gives a fck, we already have already 1.4 billion population and will never feel lonely.

 

[nalan]

Learning Mandarin is a must, since it is the dominant dialect of the modern Chinese language for 700 years, it is impossible to find another dialect to replace it.

Guangdong can't become independent, otherwise it will turn into another sh1thole just like Vietnam, since it is very densely populated with very little natural resources.

its nothing with learning Mandarin.the gov cancel cantonese channels and people dont want to acppet that.you neednt to worry much about china. chinese history,civilization,geography and ect.wont allow this hapeen.unification is chinese core values. china cant go anywhere.

 

[nalan]

This is a little exaggerated but nevertheless, it contains a lot of truth.

By the way, to recover the phonetic information of old Chinese, everyone uses my lect (闽&#21335, Min Nan aka Taiwanese. In addition, my lect Min Nan preserves a lot of ancient expressions that is no longer used in Mandarin.

I assure you my Min Nan is 100% non intelligible with Mandarin. If Taiwan goes independence, within 100 years, its lect situation may be more or less like Vietnamese lect vs Mandarin.

Its easy for me to learn Mandarin and even Cantonese, but Mandarin speaker will get hell learning Min Nan.

Sometimes, I feel Mandarin speaker have very little talent in picking up languages.

BTW, Chinese songs in cantonese is the most expressive and elegant. It can pronounce and express many feelings that cannot be done in Mandarin.

You are talking about the spoken language,but I think its just one part of chinese language. Writing systems is more importert considering chinese characteristics.You feel cantonese songs expressive and elegant. why? because it uses a formal written system and keep some ancient phonology.thiss chinese, not depend on local variations.no compare with Vietnamese.

 

[EastSea]

Actually, the Chinese character system place very little emphasis on sound. You pronounce anything you like in your lect. I suppose you know this word

越南

Vietnamese - Việt Nam
Min Nan (Taiwanese) - Wat Nam
Cantonese - Yut Nam
Mandarin - Yue Nan

If you happen to identify
越 = Việt (Guangdong)
南 = South

you pronounce it the same way when you see these 2 words shows up next time.

So, the system is, you need to link whatever you speak and its meaning to a symbol.

Next time you see 南, you know its south, and you pronounce it out in your native lect. From from Viet Nam (越&#21335, I immediately know it means south of Guangdong.


One more example is Hà Nội 河內

河 = river
內 = inside

Vietnamese - Hà Nội
Taiwanese - Ho Lai
Cantonese - Ho Noi
Mandarin - He Ne

You link the Hà with the symbol 河, and Nội with symbol 內 for Vietnamese. So when I see Ha Noi, I knew it means "within river".

Next time when Ha Noi or Viet Nam shows up in combination of different characters, I got their meaning straight away. I do not have to check dictionary.

This is the general way how the system works. It is very efficient and clean in my opinion. I am not saying Latin is bad, but Chinese character is very efficient for Sinitic lects.



I heard you guys even have a hell lot of difficulties in Truyen Kieu.

Many Vietnamese told me "No problem in reading Truyen Kieu". 翹傳(Tuyen Kieu)，斷腸新聲」(Doan Truong Tam Thanh)

I ask them "Are you sure?"

Then they admit, they need a lot of annotations.

Vietnamese today have a lot of difficulties accessing Truyen Kieu, I do not know whether to cheer your literacy rate or to cry.

It's not corect.

When we say "Vietnam", there is name of our state, or "Hanoi", there is name of our capital city, no one think that: there is "southern of Guangdong" or "inside of river", it's wrong.

If some one like to now more about that words, in school he understand that our country names were "Dai Viet" Great Viets" or " Dai Nam " Great Sothern Country, other than, there is wrong because that Vietnam is bordered with GunangXi and Yuennan, not to Guangdong.

Or word "Hanoi", the root of this word related to idea of our Emperor Gialong, after reunification Vietnam in 1802 year, our capital city moved to Hue, he liked to downgrading the former Capital city of Vietnam to ordenery city because name was "Thanglong'" "flying Dragon" the name is for Kingdom only. It's what we have to know, not chinese character with simbol idea in its.

And more, it reported that Han-Viet words found in literature only 12 %, comedian 8% and normal communication daily is more less.
link hereTi

@Lux de varitas: the article in link you suggested, has rejected to using Han ji in Vietnam. If you can rad it in Vietnamese, in brief: this characters is good for abnormal alexia people only. I don't know about Chinese translated version. I don't like to hurt all Chinese. I'm sorry.

I feel very sorry for you that generations of your people and cultures are murdered recklessly by a few in your top: jingoistic and brainless.

You lost your culture, you lost your history, you lost your education... and worse: you lost yourselves and you lost your future.

Don't say stupidties.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

It's not corect.

When we say "Vietnam", there is name of our state, or "Hanoi", there is name of our capital city, no one think that: there is "southern of Guangdong" or "inside of river", it's wrong.

If some one like to now more about that words, in school he understand that our country names were "Dai Viet" Great Viets" or " Dai Nam " Great Sothern Country, other than, there is wrong because that Vietnam is bordered with GunangXi and Yuennan, not to Guangdong.

Or word "Hanoi", the root of this word related to idea of our Emperor Gialong, after reunification Vietnam in 1802 year, our capital city moved to Hue, he liked to downgrading the former Capital city of Vietnam to ordenery city because name was "Thanglong'" "flying Dragon" the name is for Kingdom only. It's what we have to know, not chinese character with simbol idea in its.

And more, it reported that Han-Viet words found in literature only 12 %, comedia 8% and normal comunication dayly is more less.
Ti

@Lux de varitas: the article in link you susgested, has rejected to using Han ji in Vietnam. in brif: this characters is good for abnormal alexia people.



Don't say stupidties.

That is because your brain follows the alphabet way and memorize every aphabetic lexicon you see.

When you see Hanoi, you may not even know it got something to do with river. And when you see Vietnam, you will not know it got something to do with Guangzhou. You will think Viet + Nam is a arbitrary selection of sound to describe your country with little consideration of meaning, not unlike "Califonia", "Disneyland" ...etc.

In fact, your land is first call "cochin" 交趾, and the choice of Viet nam is done after some discretion.

You people will take Viet Nam as it is without know the inner meaning, just like "England", "America"...etc. But Chinese will know straight away know there is deeper meaning in it, by looking at the word Vietnam 越南 in Chinese character.

For a tribe that has so difficult time to read Truyện Kiều／傳翹， I wish you good luck. Truyện Kiều is a 18/19th century work, and all UK educated people can read 17th century English without special training or annotation. Same as Chinese.

But Chinese can read up to 2500 years of work back with annotation.

 

[Wholegrain]

What's nine-dash-line!? Can you explain it meaning!?

So China should get rid from this World and return old time when they were gang-up by 8 countries, you're just stolen so many things from modern world after that time.

China was ganged up by eight countries and never lost its independence. Vietnam was banged by one country and became a colony and even asked China to fight against France for them.

Vietnam claims Spratly islands because your colonial master France began claiming those islands in the 1930s. The Spratly island dispute was between Republic of China and France, not Vietnam.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

When we say "Vietnam", there is name of our state, or "Hanoi", there is name of our capital city, no one think that: there is "southern of Guangdong" or "inside of river", it's wrong.

It may be true that the river in Hanoi is gone and Vietnamese just treat Vietnam as a "sound". No one told you Hanoi got to do with river and Vietnam got to do with Guangzhou.

So you just learn every lexicon in your language by brute force, not unlike the way people memorizing English vocab.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

It's not corect.

When we say "Vietnam", there is name of our state, or "Hanoi", there is name of our capital city, no one think that: there is "southern of Guangdong" or "inside of river", it's wrong.

That's what you get for replacing an Asian script with a Western European script.

You don't even know what the words mean anymore.

 

[EastSea]

China was ganged up by eight countries and never lost its independence. Vietnam was banged by one country and became a colony and even asked China to fight against France for them.

Don't lie.
China Man Qing signed Tianxin Aggreement and acepted France federation border closed to China.
China didn't foght with France, nor USA, just did his dirty smuggler policy in back of Vietnam in 1954 and 1972, 1979.

 

[Wholegrain]

Don't lie.
China Man Qing signed Tianxin Aggreement and acepted France federation border closed to China.
China didn't foght with France, nor USA, just did his dirty smuggler policy in back of Vietnam in 1954 and 1972, 1979.

France destroyed your country's army, occupied all your major cities and made your Emperor their slave. Then Vietnam begged China to enter the war against France and China sent the Guangxi army to fight in Tonkin against France. China ambushed France at Bac Le and at Bang Bo where the French were defeated and forced to retreat in total disarry at the Retreat from Lang Son. The Jules Ferry government in France collapsed because of their defeat. China signed the Treaty of Tianjin recognize Vietnam as a colony of France after Japan and Russia threatened China that they would enter the war on France's side. Then France occupied your country unopposed and brutally crushed all Vietnamese peasant uprisings.

Anyone can see how EastSea is lying, just look up "Sino French war". EastSea is saying it didn't happen LOL.

 

[ViXuyen]

France destroyed your country's army, occupied all your major cities and made your Emperor their slave. Then Vietnam begged China to enter the war against France and China sent the Guangxi army to fight in Tonkin against France. China ambushed France at Bac Le and at Bang Bo where the French were defeated and forced to retreat in total disarry at the Retreat from Lang Son. The Jules Ferry government in France collapsed because of their defeat. China signed the Treaty of Tianjin recognize Vietnam as a colony of France after Japan and Russia threatened China that they would enter the war on France's side. Then France occupied your country unopposed and brutally crushed all Vietnamese peasant uprisings.

Anyone can see how EastSea is lying, just look up "Sino French war". EastSea is saying it didn't happen LOL.

You recycle the same b.s over and over again. The French totally pwned the Chinese in Tonkin to the point of France expanding the border of Viet Nam into Chinese's territory that it took until 1999 for Viet Nam and China to settle the land dispute

Chinese army never occupied any cities in Tonkin. There was a reason why the Chinese never able to occupy any cities in Tonkin or control Tonkin because the French army crushed the Chinese battle after battle; chased you guys down like dogs, hunted you guys down even into your Chinese territory and annexed Chinese territory into Vietnamese's territory. Chinese was militarily humiliated in Tonkin and even lost land into the Vietnamese's territory; if that is considered as a Chinese "victory" then pigs can fly or Chinese's definition of "victory" is very unique to the world as we can see with Chinese "physics" on PDF

 

[Wholegrain]

You recycle the same b.s over and over again. The French totally pwned the Chinese in Tonkin to the point of France expanding the border of Viet Nam into Chinese's territory that it took until 1999 for Viet Nam and China to settle the land dispute

Chinese army never occupied any cities in Tonkin. There was a reason why the Chinese never able to occupy any cities in Tonkin or control Tonkin because the French army crushed the Chinese battle after battle; chased you guys down like dogs, hunted you guys down even into your Chinese territory and annexed Chinese territory into Vietnamese's territory. Chinese was militarily humiliated in Tonkin and even lost land into the Vietnamese's territory; if that is considered as a Chinese "victory" then pigs can fly or Chinese's definition of "victory" is very unique to the world as we can see with Chinese "physics" on PDF

ViXuyen the serial liar was caught making up BS on this thread. He claimed that Vietnamese fought Bac Le by themselves LOL. All of the sources I used were written by western historians and published by western universities and institutions. People see for yourselves who is lying. Why is is that when both Chinese and Wwtern historians say something and Vietnamese nationalists fabricate their own narrative, Vietnamese nationalists think only the Vietnamese accounts is correct? I posted all my sources and information here.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...fisherman-shot-dead-filipino-military-37.html

The people who were hunted down like dogs were Vietnamese whom the French massacred in the tens of thousands when they repeatedly crushed Vietnamese peasants during the pacficiation of Tonkin and continued to crush Viet rebellions theoughout their rule in Indochina.

People, read that thread for yourselves and see who is making up BS.

 

[yusheng]

@Lux de Veritas @yusheng

Do you have any efficient methode to memorize the different characters as there is "easy" character like 8, but "difficult" one like women. I mean the strokes. Some characters have more than 30 strokes!

@Viet

i think you good at mathematics, then i try to analyse you question by math. of course the reply of Lux de Veritas is correct.

first, it is far simple to remember 0 and 1 instead of 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0, just as computer can do, but you will not say your birthday is day 10 of month 1001, why not? and we don't use hexadecimal in day life too, why not? which you can answer it by lingual statistics, according to Zipf's law, Chinese language contains higher comentropy (information entropy) than Latin. the most evident proof is that in UN, the files of Chinese vesion is alway the thinnest. if you simply compared laguage in shape, why not people use Morse Code as a final language? what a beautiful ticking sound.

second, as you say, 八 is easier to remember, and 妻 which means wife，is moer difficult, that is just as saying, etyma or suffix is easier to remember than word. 女 is a basic Chinese character, meaning woman, and i omit the explain of upper part of "妻" here . so if you know a Chinese girl "女" , she may be your wife "妻" . Most of complicated Chinese characters are combined by simple Chinese characters or basice Chinese structures like latin etyma which are all meanful, and just because Chinese characters have such features, that now we can create "simplified character".





i can not explain it here in detail and there are lots of compared lingual research paper on Chinese and Latin. in the last several decades, in order to reform Chinese and the use of Chinese in computer, there are many study of Chinese and other language, for the time being , the result is Chinese is best so we keep it.


Zipf's law is about the efficient of language.
Zipf's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[ViXuyen]

ViXuyen the serial liar was caught making up BS on this thread. He claimed that Vietnamese fought Bac Le by themselves LOL. All of the sources I used were written by western historians and published by western universities and institutions. People see for yourselves who is lying. Why is is that when both Chinese and Wwtern historians say something and Vietnamese nationalists fabricate their own narrative, Vietnamese nationalists think only the Vietnamese accounts is correct? I posted all my sources and information here.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...fisherman-shot-dead-filipino-military-37.html

The people who were hunted down like dogs were Vietnamese whom the French massacred in the tens of thousands when they repeatedly crushed Vietnamese peasants during the pacficiation of Tonkin and continued to crush Viet rebellions theoughout their rule in Indochina.

When did you Chinese start quoting what the White men ( secondary sources) write as a Gospel? I thought you guys hate them with a burning passion and now you're quoting their words? Hmm...something is really wrong here, sweetits.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Korean can no longer stand Hangu in their landmarks, they want back Chinese characters.

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