What's new

Knocking on Sharif's door: Here's why Modi forwent isolation, tough talk for diplomacy with Pakistan

Albatross

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Nov 27, 2011
Messages
2,161
Reaction score
-3
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
Modi surprised everyone by making an unscheduled visit to Pakistan on Friday, sending a clear signal that he was ready to restart and rebuild relations that was unceremoniously put into deep freeze after a brilliant start when he invited prime minister Nawaz Sharif and other South Asian leaders to the swearing-in of the new Indian Cabinet.

On his way back to India after inauguration of Afghanistan’s new parliament building, Modi tweeted that he would meet Nawaz Sharif in Lahore, Pakistan. A surprise announcement by Modi on Christmas day. Modi’s stopover in Lahore comes weeks after External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj attended the Heart of Asia conference on the future of Afghanistan in Islamabad, and announced a 360-degree-turn in Modi government’s Pakistan policy in Lok Sabha.


The announcement vindicated many, including the Opposition Congress Party that argued that talks with Pakistan have to continue irrespective of terror-related incidents and cannot be held hostage by petty politics.




Prime Minister Modi’s visit is politically and diplomatically significant. The BJP that strongly opposed Manmohan Singh government’s decade-long policy towards Pakistan of “keep talking” has now conceded that when it comes to Islamabad it is essential to stay engaged

Prime Minister Narendra Modi with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif at the latter's residence at Raiwind in Lahore on Friday. PTI / Twitter/@MEAIndiaPrime Minister Narendra Modi with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif at the latter's residence at Raiwind in Lahore on Friday. PTI / Twitter/@MEAIndia



BJP leaders, including Modi, when in Opposition had demanded that India should not talk to Pakistan until cross-border terrorism ended, those behind Mumbai 2008 attacks were punished and Jamaat-ud-Dawa leader Hafiz Saeed was punished for planning terrorist attacks in India.


In the last 18 months of Modi government, talks with Pakistan were interrupted twice by India with no tangible results. Frankly none of these demands have been met or are likely to be met by Pakistan. Yet the Modi government was forced to retreat and let the National Security Advisors of two countries meet in Bangkok, discuss Kashmir and agree to continue with the talks. It was then that Swaraj’s attendance of Heart of Asia conference was made public.



It was decided that India and Pakistan would hold discussions on wide-ranging issues under the rubric of a Comprehensive Bilateral Dialogue as opposed to the nomenclature of Composite Dialogue or Resumed Dialogue used earlier. Convergence and not confrontation would decide the future of talks between the two.

There is a realisation in New Delhi that little was achieved in the last one year by attempts to isolate Pakistan government. China continues to make inroads and the much publicised signing of 51 MOUs by President Xi Jinping and investment in a land corridor linking Xinjiang with Gwadar Port show Beijing’s deep economic investment in a country that India sought to ignore.

The civilian government of Nawaz Sharif has to work with an overbearing Army whose chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, has assumed a stature of a “superman” with his pictures plastered across cities and one who is welcomed in world capitals like a statesman. Appointment of a former general Naseer Janjua as NSA in place of diplomat Sartaj Aziz also contributed to a realisation that it was better to talk to NSA with Army links and open a channel of communication with an all-powerful Army. Henceforth, all terrorism-related issues would be discussed between the two NSAs.
The change in Modi government’s approach to Pakistan was signalled in September. After a meeting of RSS with affiliated organisations, a change in outlook was indicated when its leader Dattatreya Hosabale said, “Even Kauravas and Pandavas (in the epic battle of Mahabharata) were brothers. One has to do everything (for better relations).”




Spent a warm evening with Sharif family at their family home. Nawaz Sahab's birthday & granddaughter's marriage made it a double celebration— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) December 25, 2015


On its part the government realised that appearing tough with Pakistan in response to firings across LoC (Line of Control) had a constituency but, it could not be the sole response when it came to dealing with Islamabad. Talks on the sidelines of Ufa summit ended in a joint statement that mentioned terrorism but not Kashmir and within hours, the Nawaz Sharif government had to backtrack under an onslaught of criticism from the army and political parties.

It is naïve to believe that not mentioning Kashmir in a joint statement is a sign of progress and reveals Pakistani commitment to resolve outstanding issues with India. On the contrary, Pakistani Army-sponsored cross-border terrorism for over six decades is a result of Kashmir being viewed as a dispute. That cannot be wished away. Then India thought of moving ahead with South Asian connectivity to the exclusion of Pakistan, a move that again made little progress.
It was India that approached Pakistan for bilateral talks at Ufa and at Paris climate talks Modi met Nawaz Sharif.

Modi’s diplomatic masterstroke by getting Pakistan PM and other South Asia leaders to the swearing-in of his government was frittered away in the months to come when his government’s policy towards Islamabad showed lack of clarity and consistency. Eighteen months later, Modi has sought to erase a period that reflected some immaturity by deciding to engage Pakistan and its military in talks.

Landing in Lahore after a stopover in Kabul, Modi also realises that the road to Afghanistan goes through Pakistan and any hope of joining the Afghanistan Pakistan Trade and Transit Agreement would need Islamabad’s approval.
Manmohan Singh wanted to end his prime ministership with a visit to Pakistan that never materialised. More than Singh, Modi is conscious of his role in shaping India’s destiny and to realise that he has understood that engagement with Pakistan is not an issue to score mere debating points.


Knocking on Sharif's door: Here's why Modi forwent isolation, tough talk for diplomacy with Pakistan - Firstpost
 
Last edited:
. .
Decades of negotiations failed as they were never meant to address real core issues.

Peace in south asia will remain a dream unless a meaningful dialogue is pursued by both states and a meaningful dialogue is the one that starts with KASHMIR.

If any body thinks by excluding Kashmir any talks can be held is living in a delusional world.

Unfortunatly in Pak-Ind equation Kashmir is the first thing to be resolved rest all will fall in order and only time will tell how serious Indian establishment is on talking Kashmir .
 
.
Modi surprised everyone by making an unscheduled visit to Pakistan on Friday, sending a clear signal that he was ready to restart and rebuild relations that was unceremoniously put into deep freeze after a brilliant start when he invited prime minister Nawaz Sharif and other South Asian leaders to the swearing-in of the new Indian Cabinet.

On his way back to India after inauguration of Afghanistan’s new parliament building, Modi tweeted that he would meet Nawaz Sharif in Lahore, Pakistan. A surprise announcement by Modi on Christmas day. Modi’s stopover in Lahore comes weeks after External Affairs Minister Sushma Swaraj attended the Heart of Asia conference on the future of Afghanistan in Islamabad, and announced a 360-degree-turn in Modi government’s Pakistan policy in Lok Sabha.


The announcement vindicated many, including the Opposition Congress Party that argued that talks with Pakistan have to continue irrespective of terror-related incidents and cannot be held hostage by petty politics.




Prime Minister Modi’s visit is politically and diplomatically significant. The BJP that strongly opposed Manmohan Singh government’s decade-long policy towards Pakistan of “keep talking” has now conceded that when it comes to Islamabad it is essential to stay engaged.Prime Minister Narendra Modi with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif at the latter's residence at Raiwind in Lahore on Friday. PTI / Twitter/@MEAIndiaPrime Minister Narendra Modi with his Pakistani counterpart Nawaz Sharif at the latter's residence at Raiwind in Lahore on Friday. PTI / Twitter/@MEAIndia



BJP leaders, including Modi, when in Opposition had demanded that India should not talk to Pakistan until cross-border terrorism ended, those behind Mumbai 2008 attacks were punished and Jamaat-ud-Dawa leader Hafiz Saeed was punished for planning terrorist attacks in India.


In the last 18 months of Modi government, talks with Pakistan were interrupted twice by India with no tangible results. Frankly none of these demands have been met or are likely to be met by Pakistan. Yet the Modi government was forced to retreat and let the National Security Advisors of two countries meet in Bangkok, discuss Kashmir and agree to continue with the talks. It was then that Swaraj’s attendance of Heart of Asia conference was made public.



It was decided that India and Pakistan would hold discussions on wide-ranging issues under the rubric of a Comprehensive Bilateral Dialogue as opposed to the nomenclature of Composite Dialogue or Resumed Dialogue used earlier. Convergence and not confrontation would decide the future of talks between the two.

There is a realisation in New Delhi that little was achieved in the last one year by attempts to isolate Pakistan government. China continues to make inroads and the much publicised signing of 51 MOUs by President Xi Jinping and investment in a land corridor linking Xinjiang with Gwadar Port show Beijing’s deep economic investment in a country that India sought to ignore.

The civilian government of Nawaz Sharif has to work with an overbearing Army whose chief, Gen. Raheel Sharif, has assumed a stature of a “superman” with his pictures plastered across cities and one who is welcomed in world capitals like a statesman. Appointment of a former general Naseer Janjua as NSA in place of diplomat Sartaj Aziz also contributed to a realisation that it was better to talk to NSA with Army links and open a channel of communication with an all-powerful Army. Henceforth, all terrorism-related issues would be discussed between the two NSAs.
The change in Modi government’s approach to Pakistan was signalled in September. After a meeting of RSS with affiliated organisations, a change in outlook was indicated when its leader Dattatreya Hosabale said, “Even Kauravas and Pandavas (in the epic battle of Mahabharata) were brothers. One has to do everything (for better relations).”




Spent a warm evening with Sharif family at their family home. Nawaz Sahab's birthday & granddaughter's marriage made it a double celebration— Narendra Modi (@narendramodi) December 25, 2015


On its part the government realised that appearing tough with Pakistan in response to firings across LoC (Line of Control) had a constituency but, it could not be the sole response when it came to dealing with Islamabad. Talks on the sidelines of Ufa summit ended in a joint statement that mentioned terrorism but not Kashmir and within hours, the Nawaz Sharif government had to backtrack under an onslaught of criticism from the army and political parties.

It is naïve to believe that not mentioning Kashmir in a joint statement is a sign of progress and reveals Pakistani commitment to resolve outstanding issues with India. On the contrary, Pakistani Army-sponsored cross-border terrorism for over six decades is a result of Kashmir being viewed as a dispute. That cannot be wished away. Then India thought of moving ahead with South Asian connectivity to the exclusion of Pakistan, a move that again made little progress.
It was India that approached Pakistan for bilateral talks at Ufa and at Paris climate talks Modi met Nawaz Sharif.

Modi’s diplomatic masterstroke by getting Pakistan PM and other South Asia leaders to the swearing-in of his government was frittered away in the months to come when his government’s policy towards Islamabad showed lack of clarity and consistency. Eighteen months later, Modi has sought to erase a period that reflected some immaturity by deciding to engage Pakistan and its military in talks.

Landing in Lahore after a stopover in Kabul, Modi also realises that the road to Afghanistan goes through Pakistan and any hope of joining the Afghanistan Pakistan Trade and Transit Agreement would need Islamabad’s approval.
Manmohan Singh wanted to end his prime ministership with a visit to Pakistan that never materialised. More than Singh, Modi is conscious of his role in shaping India’s destiny and to realise that he has understood that engagement with Pakistan is not an issue to score mere debating points.


Knocking on Sharif's door: Here's why Modi forwent isolation, tough talk for diplomacy with Pakistan - Firstpost
Lol do you think Pak superman put modi on table ;)? Yes he will put modi (file name of military courts desigion) and then sign it as he is signing the military courts design s now a days :)
 
. .
The failure of illogical Pakistan policy and the defeat in Bihar elections bought the BJP government to re-evaluate it's policies.
Let's not bring bihar. It was always nitish winning given his track record and lack of local leader.

International policy is completely oblivious to local politics. That's common sense.

The real reason for this initiative is modi himself.

Modi is a man of action. He is just like an entrepreneur. He tries different combinations till he succeed. His previous strategy didn't work so this is his new strategy. He will keep on doing innovative things till he achieve his goals and he's very well known for his innovative stuff in other matters too. That's it.

Decades of negotiations failed as they were never meant to address real core issues.

Peace in south asia will remain a dream unless a meaningful dialogue is pursued by both states and a meaningful dialogue is the one that starts with KASHMIR.

If any body thinks by excluding Kashmir any talks can be held is living in a delusional world.

Unfortunatly in Pak-Ind equation Kashmir is the first thing to be resolved rest all will fall in order and only time will tell how serious Indian establishment is on talking Kashmir .
It has to be a middle way. Starting with kashmir defeats the whole idea of equality. It's all about you move one step and I move other. I cannot favor one sides stand.
 
.
Then find out that Pakistani who wears his underwear over his pants.


Modi was the one who invited NS on his first day in the office, it is just the continuation of same objective.
 
.
Decades of negotiations failed as they were never meant to address real core issues.

Peace in south asia will remain a dream unless a meaningful dialogue is pursued by both states and a meaningful dialogue is the one that starts with KASHMIR.

If any body thinks by excluding Kashmir any talks can be held is living in a delusional world.

Unfortunatly in Pak-Ind equation Kashmir is the first thing to be resolved rest all will fall in order and only time will tell how serious Indian establishment is on talking Kashmir .
Your countries obsession with Kashmir will ensure that there will never be peace in this region...if you personally believe that another country will just give away land on your whims and fancies, then sorry to say you are in a delusional world.
 
.
Modi did that in an instant as soon as he found out Pakistani general is on his way to Kabul. He took the opportunity when it appeared to talk to Pakistani politician without under army's supervision. So the superman was Modi himself who checkmated and trolled pakistanis.
 
.
Modi is a man of action. He is just like an entrepreneur. He tries different combinations till he succeed. His previous strategy didn't work so this is his new strategy. He will keep on doing innovative things till he achieve his goals and he's very well known for his innovative stuff in other matters too. That's it.


It has to be a middle way. Starting with kashmir defeats the whole idea of equality. It's all about you move one step and I move other. I cannot favor one sides stand.

Not starting with Kashmir had been indian policy for ages and is responsible for current state of affairs.

Modi has realized india does not have any geopolitical clout to isolate Pakistan and is therefore forced to evaluate other options but we Pakistanis will make sure before we allow india any trade route across our nation all outstanding issues should be settled and from Pakistani perspective we don't have any problem with India or her people except they are forcefully occupying our land.

Pakistan is not getting effected if she doesn't trade with India infact its beneficial and shielding to her economy in many ways its India who is begging for MFN status and trade routes to Af'tan and Iran and to get anywhere closer to that Modi and other Hindu fanatics will have to give Kashmiris their right to self determination otherwise this whole thing would never proceed beyond photoshoots and selfies.

Modi can be a good diplomat but in Pak-India equation there is not much room for diplomacy as the lines are drawn precisely and everybody knows where exactly they stand and its the last chance for India once Chinese CPEC is ready and functioning I don't see much room left for India.

Pakistan can survive another few decades without Kashmir but if India doesn't get cheap and quick access to Central asia for another 50 years they will loose all chances they currently have to compete with China or become a strong regional power economically.

But I am afraid Modi and his associates are still trying to fry the fish by using saliva instead of oil as we all know fish will never get fried this way.
 
Last edited:
. .
360 degree turn is technically a zero degree turn.
Yeah exactly that's what has been happening for decades and never yielded any results.

If india is serious in talks Modi will have to take some tough stand on Kashmir without taking care of local sentiment and will have to think for coming generations instead of scoring petty points by labeling Kashmir as atoot ang and other such shit india media has been poisoning their masses with for a long time now.
 
.
Yeah exactly that's what has been happening for decades and never yielded any results.

If india is serious in talks Modi will have to take some tough stand on Kashmir without taking care of local sentiment and will have to think for coming generations instead of scoring petty points by labeling Kashmir as atoot ang and other such shit india media has been poisoning their masses with for a long time now.
sorry to break it to you, but unlike the erstwhile 'east Pakistan'
troll_icons_2_28891_7697_thumb.png


Indian Kashmir is an 'atoot ang'

the current LOC borders can not be redrawn, only finalized

and if this whole charade was actually for sake of an oligarchs' billions of $ deal, I'm all for it, let the rich profit if it ends the madness. (which is a whole other discussion)


but, if you guys feel so passionately about Kashmir and Palestine all because "religion", why so mum on Xinjiang ? :)
 
.
but, if you guys feel so passionately about Kashmir and Palestine all because "religion", why so mum on Xinjiang ? :)


Sub continent was divided on religious lines and being 90% Muslim majority Kashmir was supposed to be a part of the new muslim state Pakistan . No wonder UN in 48 asked the appealing india to conduct a referendum that never happened.

So that's for Kashmir as its supposed to be a muslim state like Sindh or Balochistan .

As for other regions you mentioned we have no legit claims over their territories.
 
.
kashmir is definitely on agenda, just that not publicly. Am sure pakistanis side are not stupid just to talk about terrorism.
As to why Modi did a 180 degree turn, well as it is expected, you cant isolate an already isolated pakistan... and neither isolating pakistan brings any benefit to India.. it just delays the kashmir issue.. why not take a front foot and discuss it...
besides these sort of things does not happen overnight, both Govts are in talks, but in secret, for more than 1 year. Its stupid to link it to either mini nukes or bihar polls.

Modi like his predecessor will try his hand at biggest foreign policy issue.. kashmir, till he succeeds or burns his hand(like vajpayee).. its what every PM got to do..
 
.

Latest posts

Back
Top Bottom