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Killer robots are coming, and the US isn't the only buyer

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The United States has long relied on technology to ensure our security and that of our allies. So naturally the Pentagon and its extensive research efforts are heavily investing in the next wave of technology ― artificial intelligence and autonomous weapons. These systems offer to increase our security and reduce the risk of our service men and women.

But unlike when the United States was the undisputed technology superpower, other countries are competitive when it comes to AI and robotics, and much of the skill and technology is actually available in the private sector and not controlled by governments.

As a result, there will be no American monopoly on intelligent, armed, self-controlling weapon systems, increasingly referred to as lethal autonomous weapon systems, or LAWS. And right now, neither the wider public nor the government have shown much interest in having a sustained debate about the ethics and legality of such systems, leaving the Department of Defense to develop and exploit these capabilities in a vacuum.

And that’s dangerous. Not limited by what we should build, offices tasked with protecting our troops and security are understandably racing ahead, focused only on what we can build. If you can think of it ― swarms of armed mini-drones that can dominate an enemy airspace with no risk to pilots, or armed sentries on the border of South Korea that can defeat incoming North Korea troops, or micro-drones than can be dropped by the millions over an enemy’s country to destroy its power grid ― you can bet someone at the DoD is working to make it a reality.

The possible advantages to the United States are endless. But so too are the risks. Multiple experiments in the United States and even China for the development of artificial intelligence have been shut down when paired “entities” began using new language that the controllers could not understand. Even if you engage in hubris and assume we can control what we develop, thinking about how the United States could be at a disadvantage as adversaries develop their own LAWS to go after our troops, weapons, computer systems and satellites should give you at least some pause in diving into the age of autonomy.

And this is where the discussion usually ends. The systems we and others are developing are in the classified space, or inside secure proprietary company or university complexes. And in many cases, we are not even sure what we are talking about. Is it computer code? Is it a nonlethal system that could become lethal? What about a driverless car that gets hacked? Defining what we are developing, what others are doing, and what we might want to control even if we could is hard, both in public and in classified settings.

If the U.S. is to maintain an edge over our adversaries while developing this technology to our advantage, concrete steps are needed.

First, the National Security Council needs a serious process to assess what the United States might want to do, and what our adversaries can do in the coming years. We began such a process in the last administration, but it needs to be continued and expanded. Process is not this administration’s strong suit, but it has to up its game in this critical area.

Second, Congress, currently absent from this debate, must take a stronger hand in developing policy. The money comes from Congress for development, and the bill for defending against these systems won’t be far behind. The Senate and House Armed Services committees need to be more active in promoting the debate and forcing the executive branch to take a more holistic view of these developments.

Third, President Donald Trump should staff his Office of Science and Technology Policy in the White House. It is unconscionable that this office remains vacant. In this space, OSTP’s role should be crucial. Trump’s denial of climate change should not require him to bury his head in the sand on LAWS as well.

Forth, the U.S. government needs help from people who understand the various technical, military, legal and ethical implications of what we are doing. The panel created to advise the government on biological engineering is one model, but any one government expert who thinks they know it all is the last person who should be advising on this issue. We need to start accepting that this is new territory and get engaged a broad set of experts from private companies, universities and elsewhere.

Lastly, Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Gen. Joseph Dunford need to engage the policy and technical community is a serious way to promote discussion and engagement with the DoD. This is unlike anything the Washington policy community has managed before, and we need a cooperative approach with the technical community and even ethicists, like those working on biological weapons and genetic engineering, to ensure we have all of the information and insight available. This won’t guarantee a good result, but it reduces the risks of a bad outcome.

We may not be able to stop lethally armed systems with artificial intelligence from coming online. Maybe we should not even try. But we have to be more thoughtful as we enter this landscape. The risks are incredibly high, and it is hard to imagine an issue more worthy of informed, national debate than this.

http://www.defensenews.com/industry...ng-and-the-us-isnt-the-only-buyer-commentary/
 
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I see potential for US deploying killer robots to subdue rioters in the future.
 
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I see potential for US deploying killer robots to subdue rioters in the future.

i can see China developing AI tanks to run over rioters. They can then claim afterwards to the world they were harmless, non-threatening, and the response was low-key compared to the "severe" riots in the West.
 
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i can see China developing AI tanks to run over rioters. They can then claim afterwards to the world they were harmless and not threatening at all.

Sorry but China won't be using this technology for that purpose. Your government has already demonstrated deploying tanks running over your citizens whereas our military men knows restraint. US as a police state would be more likely to build her own terminator, guess it was not so far fetched afterall when the movie was first made.
 
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Sorry but China won't be using this technology for that purpose. Your government has already demonstrated deploying tanks running over your citizens whereas our military men knows restraint. US as a police state would be more likely to build her own terminator, guess it was not so far fetched afterall when the movie was first made.

Lol you live in such a police state you can't even look up certain words in your own search engines. The government bans foreign web sites out of fear. Most countries find your situation laughable only second to North Korea.

Lol at the list!!! What is your government afraid of? Why are they perpetually in fear? Why does the list get bigger and bigger?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_blacklisted_keywords_in_China
 
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Lol you live in such a police state you can't even look up certain words in your own search engines. The government bans foreign web sites out of fear. Most countries find your situation laughable only second to Notth Korea.

Lol at the list!!! What is your government afraid of? Why are they perpetually in fear? Why does the list get bigger and bigger?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_blacklisted_keywords_in_China

LOL now you want to divert to censorship? Have you not watched the latest uproar in US? You know the Nurse who was roughly handled by a cop, dragged her violently out of the hospital for not letting him taking blood sample of an unconscious patient? The Youtube community is slamming hard on US as a police state :lol:
 
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LOL now you want to divert to censorship? Have you not watched the latest uproar in US? You know the Nurse who was roughly handled by a cop, dragged her violently out of the hospital for not letting him taking blood sample of an unconscious patient? The Youtube community is slamming hard on US as a police state :lol:

The police officer was suspended and probably will get fired. In China that nurse would disappear like the Tianemen tank man if she disobeyed police.
 
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The police office was suspended and probably will get fired. In China that nurse would disappear like the Tianemen tank man if she disobeyed police.

Keep using the same old excuse for your police state: getting suspended :rofl: , it doesn't change a thing. USA = POLICE STATE incidents keep on occurring and it's gonna get a whole lot worse. MARK MY WORDS :rofl:
 
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Keep using the same old excuse for your police state: getting suspended :rofl: , it doesn't change a thing. USA = POLICE STATE incidents keep on occurring and it's gonna get a whole lot worse. MARK MY WORDS :rofl:
Latinos and negroes will take over white America. White privelige America is doomed.
 
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Latinos and negroes will take over white America. White privelige America is doomed.

With the mass influx of Latinos into USA, the % of White will go down. Just look at the demolition of those statues :rofl: and the confederate flag has become the object of hatred because the *e*s want to erase certain part of history.
Shadow Government don't want unity, they want chaos. Divide the attention of the Americans, more racial violence and that will result more military grade weapons for the cops. Cops killing Black men all the time, even White people are experiencing police abuse of power like that Nurse.
 
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Keep using the same old excuse for your police state: getting suspended :rofl: , it doesn't change a thing. USA = POLICE STATE incidents keep on occurring and it's gonna get a whole lot worse. MARK MY WORDS :rofl:

Dude! The sad thing is you can't even read the news about what happens in your own country. This was just two months ago:

:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

http://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-06-20/101103776.html
Draft Law on Detention Centers Won’t Help Reduce Police Torture, Critics Say

(Beijing) — A draft of China’s first-ever law on criminal detention centers calls for better access to bail and medical care for detainees, but legal experts say it will have a limited impact on reducing police torture. Lawyers have long called for legislation that would allow courts or prosecutors’ offices to have control over detention centers amid a string of cases where suspects have died in custody, allegedly due to torture that officers used to extract confessions.

The best way to prevent rights abuses at detention facilities is to put them directly under the purview of courts or prosecutors’ offices instead of the police, said Hou Xinyi, a law professor at Tianjin University of Finance and Economics. :yahoo:

This would also help reduce the widespread practice of using coerced confessions as evidence in trials, according to Chen Ruihua, a professor at Peking University’s School of Law.

But the draft of the Law on Detention Centers — published by the Ministry of Public Security on Thursday and open for public comment until July 15 — would allow police to retain control of these facilities.

Prosecutors’ offices would be required to supervise detention centers under the draft law.

The proposed law came after a high-profile incident in March 2009 when a farmer named Li Qiaoming died in police custody in Yunnan province. Police initially said Li had “died of injuries while playing a game of hide-and-seek with fellow inmates,” but an investigation later found he was “beaten to death by bullies that police entrusted to maintain order in detention cells.”

Police started keeping audio and video recordings of interrogations after the incident in Yunnan and several similar cases that triggered a public outcry. The draft law would make it mandatory for police to maintain such logs.

The draft law also seeks to better protect detainees’ basic rights, such as access to medical care and bail. It no longer refers to detainees under criminal investigation as “perpetrators” — wording used in a 28-year-old government regulation on detention facilities. Instead, the draft law proposed the words “suspect” or “accused.”

It would also require large detention facilities directly under the purview of city- or prefecture-level police to operate a medical facility on the premises.

The draft law would give access to medical care at public hospitals to pregnant detainees, detainees nursing children under a year old, or detainees with HIV/AIDS or other infectious diseases.

The draft law also contains specific clauses to streamline the bail application process. A detention center would be required to refer a bail application to a local prosecutor’s office for review within two days of filing, it said.

In theory, many detained suspects qualify for bail under current regulations, but the bail provisions were “so weak that bail was hardly granted in the past,” said professor Gao Yifei from the Southwest University of Political Science & Law.

The draft law, pending a review based on public comments and deliberation by the National People’s Congress, China’s top legislature, will replace the Detention Center Regulation that was enacted in 1990.
 
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Dude! The sad thing is you can't even read the news about what happens in your own country. This was just two months ago:

:omghaha::omghaha::omghaha:

http://www.caixinglobal.com/2017-06-20/101103776.html
Draft Law on Detention Centers Won’t Help Reduce Police Torture, Critics Say

(Beijing) — A draft of China’s first-ever law on criminal detention centers calls for better access to bail and medical care for detainees, but legal experts say it will have a limited impact on reducing police torture. Lawyers have long called for legislation that would allow courts or prosecutors’ offices to have control over detention centers amid a string of cases where suspects have died in custody, allegedly due to torture that officers used to extract confessions.

The best way to prevent rights abuses at detention facilities is to put them directly under the purview of courts or prosecutors’ offices instead of the police, said Hou Xinyi, a law professor at Tianjin University of Finance and Economics. :yahoo:

This would also help reduce the widespread practice of using coerced confessions as evidence in trials, according to Chen Ruihua, a professor at Peking University’s School of Law.

But the draft of the Law on Detention Centers — published by the Ministry of Public Security on Thursday and open for public comment until July 15 — would allow police to retain control of these facilities.

Prosecutors’ offices would be required to supervise detention centers under the draft law.

The proposed law came after a high-profile incident in March 2009 when a farmer named Li Qiaoming died in police custody in Yunnan province. Police initially said Li had “died of injuries while playing a game of hide-and-seek with fellow inmates,” but an investigation later found he was “beaten to death by bullies that police entrusted to maintain order in detention cells.”

Police started keeping audio and video recordings of interrogations after the incident in Yunnan and several similar cases that triggered a public outcry. The draft law would make it mandatory for police to maintain such logs.

The draft law also seeks to better protect detainees’ basic rights, such as access to medical care and bail. It no longer refers to detainees under criminal investigation as “perpetrators” — wording used in a 28-year-old government regulation on detention facilities. Instead, the draft law proposed the words “suspect” or “accused.”

It would also require large detention facilities directly under the purview of city- or prefecture-level police to operate a medical facility on the premises.

The draft law would give access to medical care at public hospitals to pregnant detainees, detainees nursing children under a year old, or detainees with HIV/AIDS or other infectious diseases.

The draft law also contains specific clauses to streamline the bail application process. A detention center would be required to refer a bail application to a local prosecutor’s office for review within two days of filing, it said.

In theory, many detained suspects qualify for bail under current regulations, but the bail provisions were “so weak that bail was hardly granted in the past,” said professor Gao Yifei from the Southwest University of Political Science & Law.

The draft law, pending a review based on public comments and deliberation by the National People’s Congress, China’s top legislature, will replace the Detention Center Regulation that was enacted in 1990.

abu ghraib ring any bells? :rofl:
 
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abu ghraib ring any bells? :rofl:

Those were Iraqis.

I guess you guys don't mind your police beating your citizens to death for confessions!
Your people just enjoy living in years and years of perpetual humiliation. If no foreign powers are doing it then your own government simply takes their place to dish it out.

China executes thousands of people each year (again no official number given out by the Chinese government due to FEAR)...how many died because the cops beat them relentlessly until they gave a false confession to have them stop? That is the true definition of a police state!
 
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Those were Iraqis.

I guess you guys don't mind your police beating your citizens to death for confessions!
Your people just enjoy living in years and years of perpetual humiliation. If no foreigners are available your own government simply takes their place to dish it out.

Makes it right torturing Iraqis then :disagree: , as for beating Chinese citizens to death i have to see it to believe it. It's not the first time Americans use the yellow peril or Commie propaganda to scare off people and portraying Yankees as saints.
Remember how Americans threw Japanese Americans in concentration camp?

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