Khilji, the first Afghan dyansty of Hindostan

[DRaisinHerald]

ist Pakistani punjabs considerd docile in Pakistan..somewhat like baniya cast of india..when they fight they shout at each other where as in our side we go physical and beat the shit up of others.

Look man, most Punjabis live on this side of the border. That much is clear to you. Now how can you, self-claimed proud Punjabi and Jat, insult your own ethnic group?

Again, you can just bury your head under the sand and claim that we're fake Punjabi or whatever that is supposed to mean, but the reality won't change by wishful thinking. We don't hate you, you don't have to hate us either.

 

[he-man]

Oye filthy dckhead, every religion has shortcoming, if I start stating the satanic verses and pedophile stories you will go crying to the admin and mods here. The religion of desert is not pure either so spare us.

Every religion teaches us good and whoever converts, no matter from hinduism to islam or vice versa is incomprehensible. They can never truly embrace anything and will always doubt. If one can not stick to original, they will not stick to anything else.

And those who convert in fear of invaders and looters, what can be said? Islam wasn't bought here with peace but with blood.

Exactly

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Oye filthy dckhead

And those who convert in fear of invaders and looters, what can be said? Islam wasn't bought here with peace but with blood.

1. That first line was unnecessary. Keep it cool.

2. Islam was brought and spread to the Subcontinent largely by Sufis and missionaries, not armies. Of course, unfortunate incidences of forced-conversions undoubtedly took place too, but they're dwarfed by what the Sufis achieved.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Just look at the comments of raz pak

One only has to look at his own comments. You're provoking him, he's replying in a trollish way and you're replying back in a trollish manner. Both parties should stop it, you don't gain anything but hate by doing that.

 

[DRaisinHerald]

The most Racist , filthy thread I have ever come across. tbh

I have come across worse, much worse. Thank God this isn't a bigoted thread about which countries women are pretties/uglier!

 

[he-man]

1. That first line was unnecessary. Keep it cool.

2. Islam was brought and spread to the Subcontinent largely by Sufis and missionaries, not armies. Of course, unfortunate incidences of forced-conversions undoubtedly took place too, but they're dwarfed by what the Sufis achieved.

Don't delude urself man.
Sword+jaziya=mass conversion of weaklings

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Don't delude urself man.
Sword+jaziya=mass conversion of weaklings

Ouch. You shouldn't have mentioned something you clearly have no idea what it is about.

Jizya is a state tax indicated to non-Muslims in return for their complete protections under an Islamic state!
"Sword + jizya" makes no sense. They're opposing things.

EDIT: think of it this way. All Muslims had to/still have to pay only Zakat. All non-Muslims had to pay only Jizya

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Nuri Natt; those images have nothing to do with this thread or the argument! They're serving to only invite more trolls to this thread.

 

[PoKeMon]

1. That first line was unnecessary. Keep it cool.

2. Islam was brought and spread to the Subcontinent largely by Sufis and missionaries, not armies. Of course, unfortunate incidences of forced-conversions undoubtedly took place too, but they're dwarfed by what the Sufis achieved.

Obviously the first line is unwarranted and you may understand that its something I dont endorse. Its just to make that idiot realize when he hurled so abuses for my religion.

Secondly I agree with your point 2. But then the conversion was mainly a tool of convenience. All religions are equally good and you can be a good human being following any and an evil practicing any.

Conversion to islam was more beneficial for 2 reasons-
1- You will share the commonality with the rulers(ironically they were invaders and looters).
2- You will get rid of social disparity of caste system.

The high caste rajputs convert for reason 1 and low caste sudras for reason 2. The % of those who convert purely on spiritual ground was very less.

@Nuri Natt you too can read my response and will get answer to your query. If you want to discuss more in civil, please proceed, insults will get you more insults.

 

[he-man]

Ouch. You shouldn't have mentioned something you clearly have no idea what it is about.

Jizya is a state tax indicated to non-Muslims in return for their complete protections under an Islamic state!
"Sword + jizya" makes no sense. They're opposing things.

EDIT: think of it this way. All Muslims had to/still have to pay only Zakat. All non-Muslims had to pay only Jizya

Are u so ignorant?
Protection from what?

Aliens?

It was a burden on non muslims and played a huge role in mass conversions

 

[DRaisinHerald]

Are u so ignorant?
Protection from what?

You're the ignorant one here. In ancient kingdoms and empires, people who practiced foreign religions or didn't abide by the state's customs were often persecuted. An (Islamic) answer to this world-wide practiced persecution was the imposition of this tax whereby the state would protect the minorities rights and protect them against any possible persecutions and what not; given that they abided by the laws and didn't cause fitna/corruption in the land.

 

[Alpha1]

Though Sikhs are a small minority in India, the community occupies a significant place in the country. The current Prime Minister of India, Dr.Manmohan Singh[2] is a Sikh, as is former President of India Giani Zail Singh. Almost every council of ministers in India has included Sikh representatives. Sikhs are also conspicuous in the Indian army, primarily because they formed the sword arm of the British empire. The only living Indian officer with a 5 star rank Arjan Singh is a Sikh. Sikhs have also led the Indian army through JJ Singh and the Indian Air Force was led by Air Chief Marshal Dilbagh Singh. Sikhs have been prominent in Indian sports, with the only Indian gold medalist in Olympics, Abhinav Bindra, being a Sikh. Similarly they occupy important official positions, like Deputy Chairman of the Planning Commission, Montek Singh Ahluwalia;[3] governor Surjit Singh Barnala. Sikhs are also known for entrepreneurial business in India. In the entertainment industry, singer Daler Mehndi and Rabbi Shergill are Sikhs. One reason for visibility of Sikhs in the Indian spectrum is the disproportionate role played by the Sikh community during the Indian freedom struggle, with Bhagat Singh remaining a youth icon to Indian youth.

Source: wiki

 

[he-man]

You're the ignorant one here. In ancient kingdoms and empires, people who practiced foreign religions or didn't abide by the state's customs were often persecuted. An (Islamic) answer to this world-wide practiced persecution was the imposition of this tax whereby the state would protect the minorities rights and protect them against any possible persecutions and what not; given that they abided by the laws and didn't cause fitna/corruption in the land.

U got to be kidding right!

 

[Alpha1]

Don't insult Muslims on Muslim forum. Talking about rape when India is statistically rape capital of the world.

This is not a muslim forum. It is an International forum

 

[PoKeMon]

You're the ignorant one here. In ancient kingdoms and empires, people who practiced foreign religions or didn't abide by the state's customs were often persecuted. An (Islamic) answer to this world-wide practiced persecution was the imposition of this tax whereby the state would protect the minorities rights and protect them against any possible persecutions and what not; given that they abided by the laws and didn't cause fitna/corruption in the land.

What are you arguing? Vindicating one evil law by stating another evil?

Persecuting for practicing another religion was itself an evil and asking for money for not to do evil is an evil itself. Whats your point?

Why cant state protect the innocent for free?
If its not the state, who else got the power to persecute majority?