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I'm only disputing the two nation theory.
you can dispute that outer space is a myth but it does not changes reality
The prism is purely historical and logical.
lets summarize than
first historical view
Two nation theory proposed by Sir syed Ahmed khan
first for basic rights for muslims then for seperate representation of muslims
Pamphlet of "Now or Never"
Name of Pakistan envisaged by Initials of Kashmir, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and,Afghania..... no mention of bengal
1930 Iqbal says we want a muslim country in northwest, again no mention of bengal
maukvi fazalulhaq proposed a country with the name sher-e-bangla but British refuted it due to administrative problems and hence incorporated it

Now lets move to logic
Pakistan envisaged on Two Nation theory
East-West concept envisaged due to administrative problems
Bangladesh achieves freedom from tyrant brother
remains Muslim
how does it refutes the theory

nevertheless dont bother to reply as i am starting to suspect i am singing to a cat and no matter how logical and historical prespective i show you in the end you will still see it through your anti-Pakistani lenses
i totally understand you.
 
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I've got to say as a Pakistani Punjabi, I give no shit about Sikhs. As far as I'm concerned they are in the same boat as Hindus. And trust me, we will get our revenge.
 
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It would be valid today if East and West Pakistan were still existing under one nation.
it will be hard to argue if you already have set a criteria for a theory to pass
its like go to swim but return dried and i'll believe u r the best swimmer
 
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you can dispute that outer space is a myth but it does not changes reality

Outer space stands the test of time till date.

Two nation theory couldn't even stand the test of time till 1971.

lets summarize than
first historical view
Two nation theory proposed by Sir syed Ahmed khan
first for basic rights for muslims then for seperate representation of muslims
Pamphlet of "Now or Never"
Name of Pakistan envisaged by Initials of Kashmir, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and,Afghania..... no mention of bengal
1930 Iqbal says we want a muslim country in northwest, again no mention of bengal
maukvi fazalulhaq proposed a country with the name sher-e-bangla but British refuted it due to administrative problems and hence incorporated it

Oh right! I forgot that after the British left, you appreciated the sentiments of East Pakistan and gave them a separate nation. Sir, please at least look at the distortion of history you're attempting.

Now lets move to logic
Pakistan envisaged on Two Nation theory
East-West concept envisaged due to administrative problems
Bangladesh achieves freedom from tyrant brother
remains Muslim
how does it refutes the theory

Refutes the theory as two nation theory claimed that religion was a binding factor among Muslims of the subcontinent, which will override ethnic considerations.

nevertheless dont bother to reply as i am starting to suspect i am singing to a cat and no matter how logical and historical prespective i show you in the end you will still see it through your anti-Pakistani lenses
i totally understand you.

If you're singing to a cat, then why bother to continue singing?

it will be hard to argue if you already have set a criteria for a theory to pass
its like go to swim but return dried and i'll believe u r the best swimme

My criteria is crystal clear. Unfortunately your analogy is not.
 
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Kahlistan movement is incomplete without Lahore becoming the capital of Free state of Punjab :)
 
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Two nation theory couldn't even stand the test of time till 1971
it still stands and on it stands the God-Gifted Federation of Islamic Republic of pakistan
Oh right! I forgot that after the British left, you appreciated the sentiments of East Pakistan and gave them a separate nation. Sir, please at least look at the distortion of history you're attempting.
and you include that in ideologism?

again ur struck in your mindset you where raised in
Refutes the theory as two nation theory claimed that religion was a binding factor among Muslims of the subcontinent, which will override ethnic considerations
again according to your logic all the muslims would have been migrated to Pakistan
by your logic the two nation theory should have included all the Arab or Afghans as well
Unfortunately your analogy is not.
unfortunately you are not open to disscusion and Ideas and chanting that the earth is still flat
If you're singing to a cat, then why bother to continue singing?
excellent Idea
but you see i was up for a productive debate but you actually ruined it by trying to prove ur point rather than opening out about it
and i have now suspected that it is not productive to continue as you in a simple word is
a claim to be intellectual
 
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it still stands and on it stands the God-Gifted Federation of Islamic Republic of pakistan

If the nation of Pakistan was broken into two parts in 1971 is the two nation theory that founded it still intact?

and you include that in ideologism?

again ur struck in your mindset you where raised in

I'm detecting attempts at personal slurs in order to escape the factual conundrum you are presented with. Thought you were better than that. My bad.

again according to your logic all the muslims would have been migrated to Pakistan
by your logic the two nation theory should have included all the Arab or Afghans as well

But that they didn't migrate only exposed the vulnerabilities in the two nation theory, which were exploited by your opposing factions in 1971. Why don't you include Turkey and Indonesia in the two nation theory if you feel it'll bolster your argument.

unfortunately you are not open to disscusion and Ideas and chanting that the earth is still flat

Analogies like this cannot divert attention from the innate issues. But nice try again!

excellent Idea
but you see i was up for a productive debate but you actually ruined it by trying to prove ur point rather than opening out about it
and i have now suspected that it is not productive to continue as you in a simple word is
a claim to be intellectual

If you read your previous posts carefully again, ditto same can be said about you. But then I refrain from indulging in the your freedom fighter is my terrorist and vice versa banter.
 
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Some people take false pride even though their decisions taken were predicted long back wrong & it materialized. Everywhere sane people are looking to unite putting behind their old jealosy & hatred.

Six self-governing British colonies into a new nation, the Commonwealth of Australia in 1901
Ukraine with West Ukraine 1919
Hatay State with Turkey in 1939
Canada & New found Land in 1949
Sikkim people voted to join India as a state under the Indian banner in 1975
The union of North Vietnam & South Vietnam to form the Republic of Vietnam in 1976
East & West Germany to Germany in 1990

There are many such unions, just stated a few above

The world over people are trying to get under their old umbrella for mutual benefit & growth. Here some people brought in religion to break our country & promote hatred creating hindrances for peace & growth.

Shame


Only time will tell if Pakistan will keep itself united with other provinces on this 2 nation theory, on the basis Muslim can't grow under Hindus, so need a separate county.
 
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If the nation of Pakistan was broken into two parts in 1971 is the two nation theory that founded it still intact?
Did we cease to exist?
remember Pakistan is only the second country to be base on an ideology
I'm detecting attempts at personal slurs in order to escape the factual conundrum you are presented with. Thought you were better than that. My bad.

Analogies like this cannot divert attention from the innate issues. But nice try again!

If you read your previous posts carefully again, ditto same can be said about you. But then I refrain from indulging in the your freedom fighter is my terrorist and vice versa banter.
Right now after a long and useless engagement with an intellectual i will try to simply evade away from this unproductive piece of thread and actually from you as you are not adding anything to my little mind but vice versa
sorry i am incapable to handle and somehow allergic to bullshit
 
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Did we cease to exist?
remember Pakistan is only the second country to be base on an ideology

Which is the first country based on ideology?

Pakistan as it was created in 1947 with East and West Pakistan has ceased to exist.

What remains is an appendage of the original Pakistan founded in 1947 under the two nation theory.

How can the two nation theory be intact when it's founded nation is not intact itself and is only an appendage of the nation under which it was formed originally.

Illogical things can never sound logical and vice versa.


Right now after a long and useless engagement with an intellectual i will try to simply evade away from this unproductive piece of thread and actually from you as you are not adding anything to my little mind but vice versa
sorry i am incapable to handle and somehow allergic to bullshit

Slurs only betray a lack of capability to argue factually and logically. You've been trying to wriggle out of some inescapable facts and logic by attempting to denigrate me. The more you do so, the more you reveal your frustration. I refuse to be drawn into the subterfuge of denigration to allow you to evade some cold hard facts.
 
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Many layman don't know the reality of partition & 2 nation theory. The few who know, don't want to accept it. All the founders along with the top leaders & Military officers of Pakistan know the truth.

The entire letters of Jinnah & British is open for anybody's scrutiny. All critics have gone & researched the facts to know the truth. Few have spoke about it who's outside Pakistan. Most locals don't have the guts to tell the country the truth. The very existence of Pakistan will be questioned, once the truth is known to the common people. The entire Military officials existence will be at stake if the truth is shown or taught to the public. Jinnah will be looked up as a villain, who destroyed the peace & future of the common man. There was never a problem with Hindus for any community, in India till this theory of 2 Nation was propagated.

Jinnah sowed the seeds of hatred, which has never died & has gone on to demonize the minds of every common man, not only in Pakistan but in the entire sub-continent. We even allowed Muslims who wanted to stay back to stay in India. The hatred of Pakistan with your terrorism & hatred, has grown so intense, it is become hatred of Muslims even inside India.

You beat the drum all the time about the killings at the time of Partition your great sacrifice. That was not sacrificing death for the nation. Sacrifice means somebody who dies for the nation. Nobody wanted to willingly die. Understand it, It was death due to Pakistan & not for Pakistan, which if not for Jinnah & this 2 nation theory would not have happened. And the killings & deaths of Hindus & Sikhs in this case is underplayed or not considered.

In-fact Pakistan has gone on to spoil the name of Islam through out the world by giving support to Taliban, Al Qeada, Haqqanis, LET, etc. It was 99% Hindus & definitely Sikhs who fought for the freedom movement with the British. There will be hardly a handful of Muslims, who actually fought for freedom of India. All our leaders from Mahatma Gandhi, Nehru, Subhas Chandra Bose, Sardar Vallabh Bhai Patel, etc have gone through tortures & hardships to get our freedom.


https://defence.pk/threads/what-if-theres-india-pakistan-nuclear-war.453298/page-16

Go through the great nuclear achievement video, I already posted in this thread above to know, why Pakistan people will not be entertained or trusted anywhere, Why nobody will listen to you & how much of a risk is Pakistan to the world. After watching the video you will understand why any foreign country will choose an Indian over a Pakistani any day blindly. And also you will understand, after 9/11 & finding Bin Laden in Pak, why we don't have to do anything to destroy you, America & the west will do it


These are some of the Indians who gave their life for the freedom

1. Vasudev Balvant Phadke, Dist. Kolaba, Maharastra, Born Nov. 4, 1845. He tried toorganise a National revolt against theBritish: Deported to Aden and kept in Aden Jail under inhuman condition. He resorted to hunger strike as a protest against ill treatment of the Jail Authority and died on Feb. 17, 1883.

2-4. Senapati Tikendrajit Singh, Manipur. General Thengal, Manipur, Agnes Sena (Younger brother of General Thengal), Manipur. They revolted against British and were executed on August 13, 1891.

5. Damodar Hari Chapekar, Maharastra. Executed in Yerrowda Central Jail or, April 18, 1898 on a charge of killing Rand, Plague Co mmissioner and another army officer named Ayerest.

6-7. Basudeo Hari Chapekar, S/o Hari Chapekar, Maharastra and Mahadeo Ranade, S/o. Vinayak Ranade, Maharastra were executed in Yerrowda Central Jail on May 8, 1899 and May 10, 1899 respectively for murder of informer Dravids.

8. Balkrishna Chapekar. S/o HariChapekar. Maharastra. Executed in Yerrowda Central Jail on May 12, 1899. He helped in the plan to kill Mr. Rand, Plague Commissioner, Poona.

9. Khudiram Bose, S/o Trailokyanath, Midnapore (Born Dec. 3. 1889) was executed in Muzaffarpur Jail (Bihar) on August 11, 1908 for committing murder on Miss and Mrs. Kennedy mistaking that the carriage in which they were travelling was carriage of Session Judge Kingsford.

10. Kanailal Datt, S/o Chunilal. Chandannagar, Dist. Hooghly, West Bengal Executed in Old Alipore Jail Harinbari-present Presidency Jail) on Nov. 10, 1908 for shooting dead approver Narendra Goswami inside jail.

11. Satyendranath Bose. S/o Abheycharsn Midnapore, West Bengal. Exeouted in Old Alipore Jail (Harinbari–present Presidency Jail) an Nov. 21, 1908 for shooting dead approver Narendra Goswami inside jail.

12. Charu Charan Bose. S/o Keshablal, Khulna (now in Bangladesh) Executed on March 19, 1909 in Old Alipore Jail (Harinbari–present Presidency Jail) for shooting dead Ashu Biswas, Public Prosecutor of Alipore Bomb case inside Jorabagan Court premises.

13. Madanlal Dhingra. Punjab. He shot and killed William Curzon Wyllie, Political A.D.C. to the Secretary of State. He was executed on August 17, 1909 in Pentonville, London.

14. Birendranath Datta Gupta, S/o Umacharan, Dacca (now in Bangladesh). He shot dead D.S.P. Shamsul Alam in Calcutta High Court premises. Alam was the prime investigator in Alipore Conspiracy case..He was executed on Feb. 21, 1910 in Old Alipore Jail (Present Presidency Jail).

15-17. Aranta Laxman Kanhere, Krishna Gopal Kanre and Vinayak Narayan Deshpande. They were executed in Thane Jail (suburb of Bombay) on April 19,1910 for killing D.M. Jackson who convicted Ganesh Damodar Savarkar to transportation in Nasik Conspiracy case.

18 Kashiram, Executed in Ferozpore Jail, Punjab, on March 27, 1915 in connection with preparation for All India armed uprising.

19-22. Amirchand. S/o Hukumchand; Balmokand, S/o Bhai Mathuradas, Punjab: Abad Behari (Oudh) ; Basanta Biswas, S/o Motilal, Nadia, West Bengal. All the four were sentenced to death in Delhi Conspiracy case in which the principal accused Rashbehari Bose could not be arrested in spite of a reward being declared for his arrest. They were executed on May 11, 1915 in the Ambala Jail.

23-29. Bakshis Singh; Bishnu Ganesh Pingley; Surain Singh, S/o Ishar Singh; Surain Singh, S/o Burah Singh ; Harnam Singh of Sialkot ;Jaggat Singh and Kartar Singh, Saraba. These seven persons along with 17 others were sentenced to death in the 1st Lahore Conspiracy case set up after the failure of projected Ah India Armed Uprising for seizure of power on Feb. 21, 1915 under the leadership of Rashbehari Bose. They marched to gallows valiantly refusing to make any mercy petition to Govt. They were executed on Nov. 17, 1915 in Lahore Central Jail.

30-31. Niren Das Gupta. S/o Lalit Mohan, Faridpur (now in Bangladesh) and Monoranjan Sen Gupta. Faridpur (now in Bangladesh). These two were participants in the well known Balasore fight on Sept. 9, 1915 along with the illustrious revolutionary leader Jatindranath Mukherjee and on being arrested were prosecuted for murder of one Rajmahanty whom they had to kill in the morning of the same day in self-defence and were sentenced to death. They were executed on Nov. 22, 1915 in the Balasore Jail (Orissa).

32. Bhan Singh. A convict of Lahore Conspiracy case who was most brutally assaulted for alleged misbehaviour with the Superintendent of Andaman Cellular Jail. He died during hunger strike.

33. Sohanlal Pathak, Amritsar. He was tried and sentenced to death for his activity in connection with preparation for a soldiers’ uprising in Burma during the Ist World War. He was executed in January, 1916 in Mandalay Jail (Burma).

34-38. Her Singh Bahoowal. Hoshiarpur; Ishar Singh alias Suran Singh, Ferozepore; Ranga Singh alias Rods Singh. Jullundur; Rur Singh of Talwandi, Ferozepore and Uttam Singh, Ludhiana. They were sentenced to death in one of the supplementary Lahore Conspiracy cases following the failure of the projected countrywide armed uprising on Feb. 21, 1915. They were executed in Lahore Central Jail on June 12, 1916.

39-45. Harnam Singh; Challiaram; Narain Singh; Basswa Singh; Narinjan Singh; Bhai Balbant Singh. They were executed in Burma, between August 19 & 22, 1916 in connection with Burma Conspiracy case.

46. Sushil Lahiry, Executed in Oct., 1918 in Beneras Jail CU.P.) for killing his intimate friend Binayak Rao Kapie whom the party had given death penalty for rank defection and misappropriation of money and arms.

47. Ram Rakha, Died during hunger strike in l919 in Andaman Cellular Jail.

48-66. Bhagwan; Bisram; Dudhai; Alicharan; Laltu; Mahadeo; Meghu; Raghubir; Ramlagan; Ramrup; Rudali; Sahadeo; Sukhai; Lal Mohammad; Nazir Ali; Sampat I; Sampat II; Shyam Sundar; Sitaram. They were arrested in connection with famous Chauri Chaura case during Non-co-operation movement led by Gandhiji and were executed in 1923.

67. Gopi Mohan Saha (Gopinath). S/o Bijoykrishna, Serampur,-Dist. Hooghly, West Bengal. Executed on March I, 1924 in Old Alipore present Presidency) Jail for shooting dead an Englishman Mr. Day mistaking him as Police Commissioner Tegart.

68-69. Ananta Hari Mitra, S/o. Ramlal (Born 1906) and Promode Ranjan Chowdhury, S/o Ishan (Born 1904). They were sentenced to death for killing D.I.B. officer Bhupen Chatterjee inside the jail where they were being then detained as under trial prisoners in akhbareswar Bomb case. Executed on Sept. 28, 1926 in Alipore Central Jail (New Central Jail).

70. Rajen Lahiri, S/o, Kshitish Mohan, Pabna (now in Bangladesh) Born June 1901. Executed on Dec. 17, 1927 in Gonda Jail (U.P.) in connection with Kakori Conspiracy case.

71. Asfsqullah Khan. Shahjahanpur ( U.P.). Executed in Faizabad Jail (U.P.) on December 19, 1927 in connection with Kakori Conspiracy case.

72. Ramprosad Bismil. S/o. Muralidhar Tewari, Shahjahanpur (U.P.). Born 1898. Executed on December 19, 1927 in Gorakhpur Jail (LT.P.) in connection with Kakori Conspiracy case.

73. Thakur Roshan Singh. S/o. Jagadish Singh, Shahjahanpur (U.P.). Born 1897. Executed in Naini Central Jail (U.P.) in connection with Kakori Conspiracy case on Dec. 21, 1927.

74. Jatindranath Das. S/o. Bankim Behari, Calcutta, West Bengal, Born Oct. 27, 1904. He along with ten others joined a hunger strike started by Bhagat Singh and Batukeswar Datta earlier upon a demand for recognition of better status for all political prisoners. He died inch by inch after 63 days of fasting on Sept. 13, 1929 in Lahore Brostal Jail.

75. Hpoongyi-U-Wizaya, Kyaungone, Bassein, Burma. He was a monk and resorted to hunger strike upon a demand for better diet for political prisoners and certain other privileges consistent with the life of a monk. Expired on September, 20, 1929 after fasting for 163 days.

76. Bhagat Singh. S/o Kishan Singh and nephew of renowned revolutionary Sardar Ajit Singh. Lgallpur (now in Pakistan). Born Oct. 6, 1907. He was first arrested for the well-known Central Assembly Bomb throwing affair and while in prison was made an accused in the Second Lahore Conspiracy case along with many others woven round the murder of Saunders, A.S.P., Lahore. He was executed on March 23, 1931 in Lahore Central Jail.

77-78. Sibram Rajguru, S/o Hari Narayan Rajguru, Poona, Maharastra, and Sukdeb, S/o Lala Ram Lal Thapar. Lyallpur (now in Pakistan). Born May 15, 1907. They were executed on March 23, 1931 in Lahore Central Jail in connection with Lahore Conspiracy Case.

79. Hari Kishan Talwar. S/o Lala Gurudasmal, Punjab. Born January, 1908. He made an attempt on the life of Geoffery-deMontmorrency. Governor of Punjab when the latter was coming out of the Lahore University Hall after delivering the convocation address with a revolver shot injuring the Governor and killing a Police Officer Channan Singh. He was executed on June 9, 1931 in Mianwali Jail (now in Pakistan).

80-82. Ranabir Singh; Durga Das; Chamanlal. They were arrested in connection with Martyr Hari Kishan Talwar’s case and after a supplementary trial_were sentenced to death.

83. Dinesh Gupta. S/o Satish, Dacca (now in Bangladesh). Born Dec. 6, 1911. He was a participant along with Benoy and Badal in the historic Calcutta Writers Buildings raid (Dec. 8, 1930) when Col. Simpson, I.G. of Prisons, Bengal, was shot dead and Mr. Nelson, Judicial Secretary and some others were injured. He was executed in Alipore Central Jail (New Central Jail) on July 7, 1931.

84. Ram Krishna Biswas. S/o Durgakripa, Chittagong (now in Bangladesh). Born January 16, 1910. He shot dead Inspector Tarini Mukherjee at Chandpur, Comilla (now in Bangladesh) mistaking him as Craig, I.G. of Police. Executed on August 4, 1931 in Alipore Central Jail (New Central Jail).

85-91. NGA Pothun; NGA Bogauk; NGA Than Myaing; NGA Po Thit; NGA Po Saung; NGA BaThaw and NGA Po Hta.These seven martyrs were tried by special tribunal (this trial is known as famous THARAWADDY trial) on a charge of organising revolt against the British Govt. They were condemned to death on August 8, 1931.

92-93. Tarakeswar Sengupta. S/o Haricharan, Barisal (now in Bangladesh). (Born April 15, 1905) and Santosh Mitra, Calcutta, West Bengal. They were killed in Hijli Detention Camp (Midnapore, West Bengal) on Sept. 16, 1931 in course of an attack on the detenus by Jamuna Singh, Head Warder and his subordinates.

94. Saya San. A hero of hundred battles rebelled against the British. He was executed in Burma on Nov. 18, 1931.

95. Manoranjan Bhattacharjee. S/o Kali Prasanna, was executed on August 22, 1932 in Barisal Jail (now in Bangladesh) in connection with Charanuguria (Faridpur–now in Bangladesh) Post Office dacoity case.

96. Ramdeni Singh. Bihar, was hanged in 1932 in connection with Hajipur Station dacoity case.

97. Pradyot Bhattacharjee. S/o Bhabataran, Midnapore, West Bengal, was executed in Midnapore Central Jail on Jan. 12, 1933 in connection with Douglas (district Magistrate, Midnapore) murder case.

98. Kalipada Mukherjee was executed on Feb. 16, I933 in DaccaJail (now in Bangladesh) in connection with Kamakhya Sen, Special Magistrate murder case.

99. Mahabir Singh. S/o Kunwar Devi Singh, Etah District, CU.P.). Born Sept. 16, 1904 and died on May 17, 1933 in Andaman Cellular Jail in course of a hunger strike while resisting forced feeding.

100. Man Krishna Namadas (NZohan Kishore)· Mymensingh (now in Bangladesh), who resorted to hunger strike in Andaman Cellular Jail as a protest against inhuman treatment on political prisoners died on May 26, 1933 while resisting forced feeding.

101. Mohit Maitra. S/o Hem Chandra Maitra, Calcutta, West Bengal, Died on May 28, 1933 in Andaman Cellular Jail in course of hunger strike while resisting forced feeding.

102. Surya Sen (Mastetda). S/o Raj Mani Sen. Born March 22, 1894, Chittagong (now in Bangladesh), was executed in Chittagong Jail on Jan. 12, 1934 for armed uprising against the British in Chittagong; He was the Supreme Commander of the uprising.

103. Tarakeswar Dastidar. S/0. Chandra Mohan, Chittagong (now in Bangladesh) He was an active associate of Masterda Surya Sen during absconding period and was executed in Chittagong Jail., January 12, 1934 for armed revolt against the British in Chittagong.

104-105. Harendranath Chakraborty. S/o Kali Kumar, Chittagong (now in Bangladesh) and Krishna Chowdhury, S/o Hemendralal, Chittagong attempted to kill Europeans In Chittagong Paltan Maidan. They were executed on June 5, 1934 in Midnapore Central Jail.

106. Dinesh Majumdar, S/o Purna Chandra, Basirhat, 24-Parganas, West Bengal (Born May, 1907), shot dead Polios Commissioner Quinn of Chandannagore (French). Attempted on the life of Tegart, police Commissioner, Calcutta on 25.8.30 and being arrested for the latter event escaped from the Midnapore Central Jail and went under ground He was recaptured at Cornawallis Street, Galcutta, after a fight with the Police Party. He was executed on June 9, 1934 in Alipore Central Jail (New Central Jail).

107. Baikuntha Sukul (Sukla). S/o Ram Behari Sukul, Mazaffarpur, Bihar, was executed o, May 14, L934 in Gaya Jail (Bihar) for killing Phani Ghosh who betrayed the revolutionary party and turned approver in the Second Lahore Conspiracy case.

108. Manindranath Banerjee, S/o Dr. Taracharan Banerjee: Beneras (Born in 1911) died in Fatehgarh Jail CU.P.) on June 20, 1934 after 66 days’ Hunger Strike in protest against brutal treatment inside Jail. He was arrested for shooting Jiten Baneljee, S.P., who was in charge of investigation of Kakori Conspiracy case though the victim was his own maternal uncle.

109. Ashit Bhattacharjee. S/o Khirod Mohan, Lashiara, Dist. Comilla (now in Bangladesh) Born April 4, 1915 executed on July 2, 1934 in Sylhet Jail (now in Bangladesh) in connection with Itakhola mail dacoity case.

110-112. Ram Krishna Roy, S/o Kenaram Ray Roy Midnapur, West Bengal; Brojo Kishore Chakraborty and Nirmal Jiban Ghosh, S/o Jamini Jiban Ghosh, were executed in Midnapore Central Jail in connection with Burge (D· M· Midnapore) murder case. Ram Krishna Roy and Brojo Kishore Chakraborty were executed on Oct. 25, 1934 and NirmalJiban Ghosh on October 26, 1934.

113. Motilal Mallick. S/o Raj Kumar, Dacca (now in Bangladesh). Born 1912. Executed Dec. 15, 1934 in Dacca Jail in connection with Deobhog (Dacca) Shooting case.

114. Bhabani Bhattacherjee. S/o Basanta Kumar, Dacca (now in Bangladesh). Born 1914. Tried in connection with the attack on the life of Sir John Anderson, Governor of Bengal, at Lebong race course, Darjeeling and was sentenced to death. He was executed on February 3, 1935 in Rajshahi Jail (now in Bangladesh).

115. Rohini Barua. Born 1915. Executed in Faridpur Jail (now in Bangladesh) on Dec. 18, 1935 on a charge of beheading a sub-Inspector of Police named Ersad Ali of Gopalganj P.S., Faridpur.

116. Haren Munshi, Died on Jan 30, 1938 in Dacca Jail (now in Bangladesh) while resisting forced-feeding in course of a hunger strike resorted to by repatriated Andaman prisoners convicted in Titagar Conspiracy case.

117. Udham Singh. S/o Sardar Tahel Singh, Sunam, Patiala, Born Dec. 26, 1898. He shot dead Michel O. Dyer, ex-Governor of Punjab as a reprisal for the brutal atrocities led by him in Punjab in 1919. He was executed on June 12, 1940 in Pentonville Jail (London).

118. Sankar Mahali. was executed in Nagpur Central Jail on Jan. 19, 1943 in connection with Quit India movement.

119. Himu Kalani. a valiant fighter of the Quit India movement was executed in Sukkur Jail on Jan. 21, 1943.

120. Rajnarain Missir. the renowned Hero of the Quit India movement was executed in Lucknow Jail (U.P.).

121. Kusal Kanowar. Executed in Jorhat Jail, Assam on June 16, 1943 in connection with Quit India movement.

The above people's who gave their lives is called sacrifice. The list can still go on. But this is enough no.s. I don't want to waste my precious time to get more names.

I have only given the people who have died for the freedom above, have not given the lakhs of people who fought, went through atrocies & jailed till we got freedom.


All you Muslims did was hide as cowards when we Hindus & Sikhs fought for our land, once the Britishers had decided to free, you come out of your rat holes to claim a separate land which we gave our blood to free, which never belonged to Muslims in the first place. It will be called Ehsaan Faramosh & Namak Harami.


The above is all meaningless conjecture and pointless rabble. It doesn't change anything nor does it disprove the 2 or 3 nation theory. The ONLY way they can be disproved and made void is if Pakistan and/or bangladesh come under indian occupation. Till then, all else is drivel and hot air.
 
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appendage of the original Pakistan
like western and eastern roman empire?
how an appendage?
sir may i direct you that Pakistan was founded on the ideology and ideology was not found on Pakistan
we did not cease to exist, did we?
as for the fall of dacca its not a flaw of ideology but faulty decisions and wrong communication
you actually include that in ideologism?
Slurs only betray a lack of capability to argue factually and logically. You've been trying to wriggle out of some inescapable facts and logic by attempting to denigrate me. The more you do so, the more you reveal your frustration. I refuse to be drawn into the subterfuge of denigration to allow you to evade some cold hard facts
i seriously lack the capability to argue
i used to only engage in debates on PDF from which i might learn something but trust me i m regretting the time i joined this thread
cold hard facts.
would not accept someones opinion as a fact
 
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The above is all meaningless conjecture and pointless rabble. It doesn't change anything nor does it disprove the 2 or 3 nation theory. The ONLY way they can be disproved and made void is if Pakistan and/or bangladesh come under indian occupation. Till then, all else is drivel and hot air.

Dont worry your 2 nation theory is a failure & will very soon collapse further hitting face down. Looking at the way things are developing, it doesn't look unlikely that, Pakistan won't come under Indian occupation.

I have already given one of the reason why. Go through it again. Re- pasting again below

https://defence.pk/threads/what-if-theres-india-pakistan-nuclear-war.453298/page-16

Go through the great nuclear achievement video, I already posted in this thread above to know, why Pakistan people will not be entertained or trusted anywhere, Why nobody will listen to you & how much of a risk is Pakistan to the world. After watching the video you will understand why any foreign country will choose an Indian over a Pakistani any day blindly. And also you will understand, after 9/11 & finding Bin Laden in Pak, why we don't have to do anything to destroy you, America & the west will do it

When we get the green signal from America, Israel & the west to take over Pakistan this could be the possible development. I have already given you people, the possible plan in place which I perceive. When the war breaks out, We will have our Brahmos & Sukhois pointed at Punjab for which Pakistan has no match or defence. A few shower of Brahmos will finish the war in no time.

Our covert operation commandos will be given refuge & shelter by the Balochis & Mohajirs inside Balochistan & Karachi. We will seal the Karachi & Baloch borders with the Baloch people & BLA. Your military will not be able to enter this area. If there is any air venture, we will use Afghanistan & Iran to strike back.

We anyway have our incomparable Navy too stand by for any counter air or sea raids. Sindh will panic its extinction in any outbreak of war & will give entry from our Gujarat & Rajastan border to strike Punjab. The next war will be cake walk. If you don't know, let me remind you, We have an agreement with Iran, if there is war with Pakistan, we can use their base for attack. We will hardly need 5000 commandos in this war, So in matter of days the war will be over. It won't even cross a week, since we will have Israel & NATO back up nuclear shield to monitor your missiles apart from our own defence system.

After the war, if Balochistan wants to be a separate country, we will carve out a area around Quetta & give them freedom. A part of Balochistan near Khatan Desert will be given to Iran. A part of KPK will be given to Afghanistan. We will have our country border with Iran near Makran Coast Range & Gwadar. We will also swop some areas near Hindu Kush mountains with Afghanistan to get connected to Tajakistan. The rest of Pakistan comprising of Sindh, Punjab, AK, GB will become part of India.

If you join India the people can survive, If not it's good, we will get back most of our land with most of the trouble making people eliminated. Either way it has to become India. And peace will prevail. You may laugh of this as my illusion. Time will tell. Let's wait & watch. Inside strategies are already chalked out.

This initiative may delay, only if Russia takes your side by any chance. There may be a small chance of this happening. Let's see

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Dont worry your 2 nation theory is a failure & will very soon collapse further hitting face down. Looking at the way things are developing, it doesn't look unlikely that, Pakistan won't come under Indian occupation.

I have already given one of the reason why. Go through it again. Re- pasting again below

https://defence.pk/threads/what-if-theres-india-pakistan-nuclear-war.453298/page-16

Go through the great nuclear achievement video, I already posted in this thread above to know, why Pakistan people will not be entertained or trusted anywhere, Why nobody will listen to you & how much of a risk is Pakistan to the world. After watching the video you will understand why any foreign country will choose an Indian over a Pakistani any day blindly. And also you will understand, after 9/11 & finding Bin Laden in Pak, why we don't have to do anything to destroy you, America & the west will do it

When we get the green signal from America, Israel & the west to take over Pakistan this could be the possible development. I have already given you people, the possible plan in place which I perceive. When the war breaks out, We will have our Brahmos & Sukhois pointed at Punjab for which Pakistan has no match or defence. A few shower of Brahmos will finish the war in no time.

Our covert operation commandos will be given refuge & shelter by the Balochis & Mohajirs inside Balochistan & Karachi. We will seal the Karachi & Baloch borders with the Baloch people & BLA. Your military will not be able to enter this area. If there is any air venture, we will use Afghanistan & Iran to strike back.

We anyway have our incomparable Navy too stand by for any counter air or sea raids. Sindh will panic its extinction in any outbreak of war & will give entry from our Gujarat & Rajastan border to strike Punjab. The next war will be cake walk. If you don't know, let me remind you, We have an agreement with Iran, if there is war with Pakistan, we can use their base for attack. We will hardly need 5000 commandos in this war, So in matter of days the war will be over. It won't even cross a week, since we will have Israel & NATO back up nuclear shield to monitor your missiles apart from our own defence system.

After the war, if Balochistan wants to be a separate country, we will carve out a area around Quetta & give them freedom. A part of Balochistan near Khatan Desert will be given to Iran. A part of KPK will be given to Afghanistan. We will have our country border with Iran near Makran Coast Range & Gwadar. We will also swop some areas near Hindu Kush mountains with Afghanistan to get connected to Tajakistan. The rest of Pakistan comprising of Sindh, Punjab, AK, GB will become part of India.

If you join India the people can survive, If not it's good, we will get back most of our land with most of the trouble making people eliminated. Either way it has to become India. And peace will prevail. You may laugh of this as my illusion. Time will tell. Let's wait & watch. Inside strategies are already chalked out.

This initiative may delay, only if Russia takes your side by any chance. There may be a small chance of this happening. Let's see

Check the attachment


More delusions and hot air. You probably need psychiatric help if you think Pakistan is going to come under indian control. There's far more chance of Pakistan forming a new nation with Brazil & Germany. Too much bollywood fantasies. You guys are all hot air and talk. Keeping talking on the net and continue to do nothing.
 
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like western and eastern roman empire?
how an appendage?
sir may i direct you that Pakistan was founded on the ideology and ideology was not found on Pakistan
we did not cease to exist, did we?
as for the fall of dacca its not a flaw of ideology but faulty decisions and wrong communication
you actually include that in ideologism?

I notice that you didn't answer my first question, so I'll repeat it again. Which was the first nation to be formed on ideology?

If you were cut into half of your original self, then how can you justify your founding theory?

Ideology was that Islam was enough to bind East and West Pakistan together. 1971 shattered that myth didn't it?

i seriously lack the capability to argue
i used to only engage in debates on PDF from which i might learn something but trust me i m regretting the time i joined this thread

I don't know how old you are. I'm 42. But I feel I'm just starting my life. Most other people in my age group, feel their life is already over. One thing I've learnt in over four decades on this planet is that life is best lived without regrets.

would not accept someones opinion as a fact

Never expected you to. So at least that's one thing we are in agreement with each other.

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