Khaki blind to Dalit plight

[EagleEyes]

You shouldnt.. You (Pakistani youth) should focus more on the same sorts of caste issues and untouchability issues in Pakistan.

Nothing compared to as wide spread as it is in India.

 

[AVinayKumar]

Nothing compared to as wide spread as it is in India.

Even then (if thats true) they are more relevant to a Paksitani citizen.. Please note I am not recommending that we dont discuss Indian issues here, but only whether a Pakistani should give a cr@p about them

I can show a bunch of articles talking about untouchability and caste system in Pakistan which is as rampant as in India (considering the population difference), but that is a topic for another thread..

 

[Emmie]

Even then (if thats true) they are more relevant to a Paksitani citizen.. Please note I am not recommending that we dont discuss Indian issues here, but only whether a Pakistani should give a cr@p about them

I can show a bunch of articles talking about untouchability and caste system in Pakistan which is as rampant as in India (considering the population difference), but that is a topic for another thread..

I wonder if you could provide data to support your claim? Not article but data, data that reveals extent of discrimination.

 

[AVinayKumar]

I wonder if you could provide data to support your claim? Not article but data, data that reveals extent of discrimination.

Dont understand.. What kind of data.. Give me some examples.. May be on a PM to prevent this going off topic..

 

[Emmie]

Dont understand.. What kind of data.. Give me some examples.. May be on a PM to prevent this going off topic..

I meant statistics... How many untouchable in Pakistan are discriminated, how many of them don't have access to ration shops, how many of them can't go to police stations, how many of them can't organise a marriage professions, how many of them can't wear shoes while passing shurfa's lanes, how many of them are not allowed to go near a well, how many of them are not allowed to go to schools etc etc etc?

 

[AVinayKumar]

I meant statistics... How many untouchable in Pakistan are discriminated, how many of them don't have access to ration shops, how many of them can't go to police stations, how many of them can't organise a marriage professions, how many of them can't wear shoes while passing shurfa's lanes, how many of them are not allowed to go near a well, how many of them are not allowed to go to schools etc etc etc?

No idea mate.. But would love to see these about India since that is more relevant to me..

 

[Emmie]

No idea mate.. But would love to see these about India since that is more relevant to me..

Surveys* show that 27.6% of Dalits are still prevented from entering police stations and 25.7% from entering ration shops. Thirty-three per cent of public health workers refuse to visit Dalit homes, and 23.5% of Dalits still do not get letters delivered in their homes. Segregated seating arrangements for Dalits are found in 30.8% of self-help groups and cooperatives, and 29.6% of panchayat offices. In 14.4% of villages, Dalits are not permitted even to enter the panchayat building. In 12% of villages, they are denied access to polling booths or forced to form a separate line.

In 48.4% of villages, Dalits are still denied access to common water sources. In 35.8%, they are denied entry into village shops. They are supposed to wait at some distance from the shop, the shopkeepers keep the goods they bought on the ground, and accept their money similarly without direct contact. In teashops, again in about one-third of the villages, Dalits are denied seating and are required to use separate cups. In as many as 73% of the villages, they are not permitted to enter non-Dalit homes, and in 70% of villages non-Dalits do not eat together with Dalits.

In more than 47% villages, bans operate on wedding processions on public (arrogated to upper caste) roads. In 10 to 20% of villages, Dalits are not allowed even to wear clean, bright or fashionable clothes or sunglasses. They are not allowed to ride their bicycles, unfurl their umbrellas, wear sandals on public roads, smoke or even stand without the head bowed.

Restrictions on temple entry average as high as 64%, ranging from 47% in Uttar Pradesh to 94% in Karnataka. In 48.9% of the surveyed villages, Dalits are barred from access to the cremation grounds.

In 25% of the villages, Dalits are paid lower wages than other workers. They are often subjected to much longer working hours, delayed wages, verbal and even physical abuse, not just in ‘feudal' States like Bihar but also notably in Punjab. In 37% of the villages, Dalit workers are paid wages from a distance, to avoid physical contact.

In 35% of villages, Dalit producers are still barred from selling their produce in local markets. Instead, they are forced to sell it in the anonymity of distant urban markets where caste identities somewhat blur, imposing additional burdens of costs and time, and reducing their profit margin and competitiveness.

Just because they happen to be born in the “wrong community,” Dalit families are subjected to some of the extreme forms of humiliation and degradation generation after generation. They are treated as worse than animals. So much so, now most of them have internalised discrimination as their fate and they dare not raise voice against their tormentor for fear of punishment. For, they know even if they protest they have no hope of getting justice. That is because a majority of the positions in the government set-up are occupied by the “upper castes.”

And even if with great difficulty a lower caste person tries to make it to those positions, he is kept out through shrewd manipulations. Between 1950 and 2000, 47% of Chief Justices and 40% of judges were of Brahmin origin, according to a parliamentary committee report. In order to continue their monopoly over important positions, upper caste people have fought tooth and nail using all possible means to keep Dalits from even dreaming of aspiring for those positions.

To break the domination of upper castes, it became necessary to introduce affirmative action for and positive discrimination of Dalits, as part of the policy of the government. But implementing positive discrimination has not been an easy task and many seats reserved exclusively for Dalits still remain vacant, again because of the shrewd manipulations of the dominating castes.

In spite of traditions of high educational qualifications, many feign ignorance of the constitutional laws; rather they do not want to understand them because of their vested interests. In spite of glaring atrocities against Dalits, they are reluctant to share with them positions their families have been holding for ages. Complicity of the state makes situation worse, allowing crime against Dalits continue. Equality remains on paper.

Even today, given a chance many still do not hesitate to shift all the blame on the colonial regime for most of the ills existing in Indian society, especially for dividing the country. The British government even today is being accused of making a mockery of civilisation and its principles by its hypocritical actions. But now their place is taken over by our own country brethren, the only difference being ‘hypocritical action' is directed against their own countrymen.

Some of the “upper castes,” it seems, are bent on leaving behind Britishers when it comes to the issues of oppression. Dalits are targeted most because the perpetrators are aware that they are not empowered. On July 11, 1997, sub-inspector M.Y. Kadam left General Dyer of Jallianwalabagh massacre behind, when he fired shots at his own countrymen and co-religionist Dalit protesters, above the waist, who had gathered in Ramabai colony in Mumbai in protest against desecration of Dr Ambedkar's statue.

Moral and ethical issues and democratic values get subordinated in the face of corruption perpetuated by the oppressive caste system. There is not even the remotest desire to make democracy more functional. The caste system with graded inequality remains popular amongst those whose privileges are associated with it. For the same reason, the idea of egalitarian society fails to gain currency in their quarters. Lessons like, “United we stand and divided we fall” are hard to learn and even if by mistake they are learnt, they become hard to implement. Caste is meant to divide, not unite. A nation which lost its freedom on that account should be cautious, lest its divisions drive it to a state of subservience to an alien rule again. What ‘hidden pride' lies in discriminating against and oppressing one's own countrymen and co-religionists is hard to discern.

* (The details of the surveys have been sourced from the book, Untouchability in Rural India, authored by Ghanshyam Shah, Harsh Mander, Sukhadeo Thorat, Satish Deshpande and Amita Baviskar published by SAG

The Hindu : Opinion / Open Page : Why have we banished our own brethren?

P.S: I don't mean to offend anybody. You asked for it I provided the link, thats it.

 

[Dalai Lama]

Nothing compared to as wide spread as it is in India.

You've got a plethora of other issues to keep yourselves busy then.

You won't see Indians repeatedly opening threads on Karachi or whatever.

 

[AVinayKumar]

The Hindu : Opinion / Open Page : Why have we banished our own brethren?

P.S: I don't mean to offend anybody. You asked for it I provided the link, thats it.

The Hindu : Opinion / Open Page : Why have we banished our own brethren?

P.S: I don't mean to offend anybody. You asked for it I provided the link, thats it.

Thanks.. I had not seen this article before.. A few things that I note from this article are as follows

1. Most discrimination that are highlighted are talking about a figure of under 50% which means that the problem has been addressed to some extent in the remaining parts. While there are still some items that are as high as 70% they are far and few ... Considering that this issue was almost at 100% at the time of independence, there is a certain positive movement towards the right end game.

2. The complete survey is based on this social issue in the rural India. So with the rapid pace of urbanization that India is going thru, along with the enacted laws on this side (though their implementation is slow and hampered) the situation is bound to take a positive turn. The same can be seen in Mayawati's rise as the chief minister of UP

3. This article refers to a survey that is mentioned in a book that got published in 2006. Considering the whole act of survey happeneing. Data accumulated and then Being used in a book, that got published in 2006, I will be surprised if the data is later than that of 2000 vintage (which makes it 12 years old).

But thanks anyway for this piece of data.. Pretty informative and a bit encouraging if you look at it with a positive mind set..

 

[lem34]

You've got a plethora of other issues to keep yourselves busy then.

You won't see Indians repeatedly opening threads on Karachi or whatever.

Don't lie you personally might not but I see your mates doing it all the time and then you thanking for them putting crap articles on Pakistan

Thanks.. I had not seen this article before.. A few things that I note from this article are as follows

1. Most discrimination that are highlighted are talking about a figure of under 50% which means that the problem has been addressed to some extent in the remaining parts. While there are still some items that are as high as 70% they are far and few ... Considering that this issue was almost at 100% at the time of independence, there is a certain positive movement towards the right end game.

2. The complete survey is based on this social issue in the rural India. So with the rapid pace of urbanization that India is going thru, along with the enacted laws on this side (though their implementation is slow and hampered) the situation is bound to take a positive turn. The same can be seen in Mayawati's rise as the chief minister of UP

3. This article refers to a survey that is mentioned in a book that got published in 2006. Considering the whole act of survey happeneing. Data accumulated and then Being used in a book, that got published in 2006, I will be surprised if the data is later than that of 2000 vintage (which makes it 12 years old).

But thanks anyway for this piece of data.. Pretty informative and a bit encouraging if you look at it with a positive mind set..

Recent articles in the Hindu of recent abuses suffered by untouchables/Dalits is anecdotal evidence that it is a very much live issue in India. For example the op

 

[AVinayKumar]

Recent articles in the Hindu of recent abuses suffered by untouchables/Dalits is anecdotal evidence that it is a very much live issue in India

Noone is saying that the issue is vanished.. Only that the trend is positive.. Hopefully another survey in next few months/years will show the same

 

[lem34]

Noone is saying that the issue is vanished.. Only that the trend is positive.. Hopefully another survey in next few months/years will show the same

That would be great to see

 

[fd24]

Noone is saying that the issue is vanished.. Only that the trend is positive.. Hopefully another survey in next few months/years will show the same

Village chief stuffs Dalit’s mouth with excreta in UP

In a shocking incident, a “pradhan” (village panchayat chief) and his supporters allegedly stuffed human excreta into the mouth of a Dalit youth in Uttar Pradesh’s Lalitpur district.

According to a complaint registered with the police, the culprits, residents of Mailwara Khurd village in the district, also thrashed the youth and threatened him with dire consequences if he dared to approach the police.

Police sources said that the youth had approached Chaliraja, the “pradhan” of the village on Thursday last and had sought funds for the construction of a lavatory near the homes of Dalits so that they could use them and did not have to defecate in the open.

As the youth continued to insist despite his pleas being summarily rejected, the “pradhan” and his supporters grew angry and began to thrash him, reports said.
They later stuffed the youth’s mouth with human excreta and let him go away with a warning against approaching the police.

The “humiliated” youth, however, gathered courage and along with a large number of the villagers approached the police officials and a report was lodged at Kotwali police station, sources said. The local BSP legislators Ramesh Kushwaha and Pheranlal Ahirwar also met the District Police Chief with the victim and urged him to take stern action against the culprits.

On rise

The two BSP leaders alleged that the incidents of atrocities on the dalits have been on the rise ever since the Samajwadi Party (SP) was formed in the state. They also said that they will raise the matter in the state Assembly during its forthcoming session. Four people, including the “pradhan,” have been named by the victim. All the four have been absconding and a massive manhunt has been launched to nab them. Special police teams have been formed and raids are being conducted at different places.

I will always look out for minorities and the underdogs - as i discussed with Ashok bhai yesterday - it turns my stomach to hear of any human being treated in this manner be it in India or else where.
In the last 2 weeks i have been disturbed at how these people are being treated - its inhumane and i pray it is removed from society - education of the peoples is surely the answer and the authorities must set an example so as to stop these acts taking place.

Village chief stuffs Dalit’s mouth with excreta in UP

 

[Hafizzz]

Village chief stuffs Dalit’s mouth with excreta in UP

In a shocking incident, a “pradhan” (village panchayat chief) and his supporters allegedly stuffed human excreta into the mouth of a Dalit youth in Uttar Pradesh’s Lalitpur district.

According to a complaint registered with the police, the culprits, residents of Mailwara Khurd village in the district, also thrashed the youth and threatened him with dire consequences if he dared to approach the police.

Police sources said that the youth had approached Chaliraja, the “pradhan” of the village on Thursday last and had sought funds for the construction of a lavatory near the homes of Dalits so that they could use them and did not have to defecate in the open.

As the youth continued to insist despite his pleas being summarily rejected, the “pradhan” and his supporters grew angry and began to thrash him, reports said.
They later stuffed the youth’s mouth with human excreta and let him go away with a warning against approaching the police.

The “humiliated” youth, however, gathered courage and along with a large number of the villagers approached the police officials and a report was lodged at Kotwali police station, sources said. The local BSP legislators Ramesh Kushwaha and Pheranlal Ahirwar also met the District Police Chief with the victim and urged him to take stern action against the culprits.

On rise

The two BSP leaders alleged that the incidents of atrocities on the dalits have been on the rise ever since the Samajwadi Party (SP) was formed in the state. They also said that they will raise the matter in the state Assembly during its forthcoming session. Four people, including the “pradhan,” have been named by the victim. All the four have been absconding and a massive manhunt has been launched to nab them. Special police teams have been formed and raids are being conducted at different places.

I will always look out for minorities and the underdogs - as i discussed with Ashok bhai yesterday - it turns my stomach to hear of any human being treated in this manner be it in India or else where.
In the last 2 weeks i have been disturbed at how these people are being treated - its inhumane and i pray it is removed from society - education of the peoples is surely the answer and the authorities must set an example so as to stop these acts taking place.

Village chief stuffs Dalit’s mouth with excreta in UP

In a shocking incident, a “pradhan” (village panchayat chief) and his supporters allegedly stuffed human excreta into the mouth of a Dalit youth in Uttar Pradesh’s Lalitpur district.

^^^This is so inhumane !!! How can people do this to other human beings ?

 

[lem34]

In a shocking incident, a “pradhan” (village panchayat chief) and his supporters allegedly stuffed human excreta into the mouth of a Dalit youth in Uttar Pradesh’s Lalitpur district.

^^^This is so inhumane !!! How can people do this to other human beings ?

It is common in India. Everyday there are outrageous incidents like this