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Kerry-Lugar Bill or an attempt to further pressurize Pakistan

^actually pak is between a rock and a hard place with any kind of aid.

if this US$ 1.5 bill ever leaves the shores of the US via NGO's or USAID, only 3-400 mill will trickle down for projects whereas pak needs billions for infrastructure, education and hospital development.....

OTOH, if this aid is directly sent to the GoP, it will be siphoned off by the establishment and politicians and a few hundred million will trickle down to benefit the people of pakistan.......what to do!

cant live with it, cant live without it!
 
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Well, there are no free lunches.... to be or not to be..


DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Army top brass to scrutinise US aid bill


ISLAMABAD: The Kerry-Lugar bill is expected to consume a fair share of the corps commanders’ time when they meet in Rawalpindi on Wednesday.

There are indications that the US aid legislation is likely to find little support at the General Headquarters and may ultimately sour relations between the armed forces and the government, which favours the bill and claims it as a major foreign policy success.

According to sources, the bill appears unpalatable, not just because of its feared impact upon the nation’s sovereignty, but primarily because it imposes strong checks on the country’s security matrix.

The most contentious parts of the otherwise pro-democracy document that are viewed as highly intrusive by certain circles are three certifications that the US secretary of state is required to provide to congressional committees for continuing security assistance and the format of monitoring reports.

The certifications include confirmation that the government continues to cooperate in investigating nuclear proliferators; is making sustained efforts against terrorists, including blocking support by elements within the military and intelligence network for terrorists, taking action against terrorist bases and acting on intelligence about high-value targets provided to it; and that the security forces are not subverting the political and judicial processes.

Almost all these aspects are covered in the format prescribed for the assessment reports, but an additional stipulation that has sent alarm bells ringing in the military establishment concerns an assessment of how effective a control the government has on the military, including oversight and approval of defence budgets, chain of command, promotions of senior commanders and civilian involvement in strategic planning.

Apart from these, there are hardly any other conditions for the development and economic assistance which forms the core of the bill. Its stated objectives are supporting democratic institutions; assisting efforts for expanding the rule of law and promotion of human rights; aiding economic freedom and development; investing in people, particularly women and children; and strengthening US public diplomacy.

Senior military officials confirmed that they were concerned about certain elements of the bill and saw it as interference in the country’s internal affairs.

‘Obviously the Kerry-Lugar bill is related to security and would be examined at the corps commanders’ conference,’ an official said.

Analysts believe that the apprehensions in the military have played a role in setting the agenda for a public debate on the issue in spite of the fact that the bill supports democracy.

PML-Q secretary general Mushahid Hussain, like many other politicians opposing the legislation, centres his criticism on US double-standards, threats to Pakistan’s sovereignty and security, its destabilising effects and demeaning the country’s dignity.

But he makes a valid point that differences over aid may create a rift between the civilian and military leadership as emboldened political leaders would try to gain influence over the monitoring and control of the armed forces’ professional matters.

The US Embassy’s Counsellor for Political Affairs, Bryan D. Hunt, told Dawn that the rationale behind the conditions was that the Congress felt very strongly that the US should be dealing with civilian governments. ‘Pakistan also agrees that we should be dealing with civilians, and not the military.’

However, he regretted that this shared agreement on promoting democracy was getting lost in the ‘nationalist debate’ that had followed the approval of the bill by the Congress.

Mr Hunt described much of the criticism as ‘unfortunate and short-sighted’.

But more importantly, politicians wrangling over the military-related conditions have lost sight of a caveat that follows the certification clause: ‘The secretary of state, under direction of the president, may waive the limitations… if the secretary of state determines that it is important to national security interests of the United States.’

Seen against a history of US support for military-led removal of civilian governments, there is every likelihood that Washington, in case of any military intervention, may find an excuse for dumping politicians because of its ‘national interests’.

This waiver clause would be handy in such an eventuality.
 
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Just In, one major news channel was reporting that All 3 branches of the Armed Forces have rejected & expressed their reservations about the Kerry-Lugar Bill & deemed it a threat to the sovereignty of Pakistan & its nuclear program.

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Army top brass to scrutinise US aid bill
Wednesday, 07 Oct, 2009

ISLAMABAD: The Kerry-Lugar bill is expected to consume a fair share of the corps commanders’ time when they meet in Rawalpindi on Wednesday.

There are indications that the US aid legislation is likely to find little support at the General Headquarters and may ultimately sour relations between the armed forces and the government, which favours the bill and claims it as a major foreign policy success.

According to sources, the bill appears unpalatable, not just because of its feared impact upon the nation’s sovereignty, but primarily because it imposes strong checks on the country’s security matrix.

The most contentious parts of the otherwise pro-democracy document that are viewed as highly intrusive by certain circles are three certifications that the US secretary of state is required to provide to congressional committees for continuing security assistance and the format of monitoring reports.

The certifications include confirmation that the government continues to cooperate in investigating nuclear proliferators; is making sustained efforts against terrorists, including blocking support by elements within the military and intelligence network for terrorists, taking action against terrorist bases and acting on intelligence about high-value targets provided to it; and that the security forces are not subverting the political and judicial processes.

Almost all these aspects are covered in the format prescribed for the assessment reports, but an additional stipulation that has sent alarm bells ringing in the military establishment concerns an assessment of how effective a control the government has on the military, including oversight and approval of defence budgets, chain of command, promotions of senior commanders and civilian involvement in strategic planning.

Apart from these, there are hardly any other conditions for the development and economic assistance which forms the core of the bill. Its stated objectives are supporting democratic institutions; assisting efforts for expanding the rule of law and promotion of human rights; aiding economic freedom and development; investing in people, particularly women and children; and strengthening US public diplomacy.

Senior military officials confirmed that they were concerned about certain elements of the bill and saw it as interference in the country’s internal affairs.

‘Obviously the Kerry-Lugar bill is related to security and would be examined at the corps commanders’ conference,’ an official said.

Analysts believe that the apprehensions in the military have played a role in setting the agenda for a public debate on the issue in spite of the fact that the bill supports democracy.

PML-Q secretary general Mushahid Hussain, like many other politicians opposing the legislation, centres his criticism on US double-standards, threats to Pakistan’s sovereignty and security, its destabilising effects and demeaning the country’s dignity.

But he makes a valid point that differences over aid may create a rift between the civilian and military leadership as emboldened political leaders would try to gain influence over the monitoring and control of the armed forces’ professional matters.

The US Embassy’s Counsellor for Political Affairs, Bryan D. Hunt, told Dawn that the rationale behind the conditions was that the Congress felt very strongly that the US should be dealing with civilian governments. ‘Pakistan also agrees that we should be dealing with civilians, and not the military.’

However, he regretted that this shared agreement on promoting democracy was getting lost in the ‘nationalist debate’ that had followed the approval of the bill by the Congress.

Mr Hunt described much of the criticism as ‘unfortunate and short-sighted’.

But more importantly, politicians wrangling over the military-related conditions have lost sight of a caveat that follows the certification clause: ‘The secretary of state, under direction of the president, may waive the limitations… if the secretary of state determines that it is important to national security interests of the United States.’

Seen against a history of US support for military-led removal of civilian governments, there is every likelihood that Washington, in case of any military intervention, may find an excuse for dumping politicians because of its ‘national interests’.

This waiver clause would be handy in such an eventuality.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Army top brass to scrutinise US aid bill
 
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If only zadari has two third majority in the parliament he would have gone ahead with the bill and to hell with everything rest, thanks God that is not the case and army has fully rejected conditions applied within this bill. I am sure Kiyani in his meeting with the PM conveyed the same. Let us hope it gets rejected in Pakistan.
 
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PM Gilani had earlier shown his reservations on the matter but today delivered a strong statement in favor of the KLB, i don't what exactly was briefed to him about it which made him change his stance.

looking at the text and selection of words from the "calligraphers" it clearly gives the hint of "participation" of people who happens to claim to own the calligraphy done in taj mehal.

simply the KLB is more a charge sheet that Pakistan has already committed highlighted crimes and just because Pakistani government is happily killing Pakistani citizens for the sake of peace in New York, London Moscow and Mumbai therefore they have just “warned” GoP and handed over this “huge” aid,.how disgraceful is this for a nation of 180 million, most of which will hardly have any thing to do with the this coming inflow as most of the aid will come through NGOs of MASTER's liking.
 
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we need to keep one thing in mind, that is that we can never be a real ally/friend for the US, never.


the trajectory of us plans for the next half century heavily involve an extremely strong relationship with india to undermine china.

we are ultimately in the way of this, we are being treated as nothing more than a mercenary hired nation that is not respected on any level but has its short to medium term uses.


any aid from the us is a golden chalice.

the very notion of needing aid for a long period tells a story initself, the us want to keep pakistan credible and strong enough to function so that we can fulfill its needs like a good puppet nation but not for us to actually grow strong.


there is no self respect or dignity in this.

with india the clintons opened up so many economic doors to them that they are in a realistic position to grow, we merely have aid and handouts and treated like goafers to do our masters bidding.

we need something more than aid, something that will empower our people and increase our wealth, education and health as a nation that will enrich our nation in the longterm, aid will not do this.
 
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Source: :: ISPR :: Inter Services Public Relations - PAKISTAN
Rawalpindi - October 7, 2009: 122 Corps Commanders Conference was held at General Headquarters today. The Chief of Army Staff (COAS), General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani chaired the day long meeting. The participants were given a comprehensive briefing on the current security situation in the country and the region.

COAS in his opening remarks dilated upon various issues related to national security and impending challenges faced by the country. COAS reiterated that Pakistan is a sovereign state and has all the rights to analyse and respond to the threat in accordance with her own national interests.

Kerry Lugar bill also came under discussion during the conference. The forum expressed serious concern regarding clauses impacting on National Security. A formal input is being provided to the Government. However, in the considered view of the forum, it is the Parliament, that represents the will of the people of Pakistan, which would deliberate on the issue, enabling the Government to develop a National response.

COAS in his concluding remarks reiterated that Pakistan stands committed to global and regional peace, and wishes to live in harmony with her neighbours



This so called KLB is surely against our National Security.
Mr Obama Mr Zardari our souls are not for sale.:pakistan:
 
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As posted by the Hon. Third Eye; there are no free lunches in this world.

No doubt US has given very substantial military and non military aid to Pakistan during the last 50 years. This was not because US had any special love for Pakistan but only because it served the larger US interests. Ayub Khan wrote about this fact in his book “Friends not Masters” 40 years ago!

This large scale assistance; even though actual aid transferred to Pakistan is no more than 60% (except when under PL-480) served two main purposes. Firstly, it helped US industry and US agriculture in finding markets in Pakistan, in other words an indirect subsidy. Secondly, it promoted US influence in the region, with Pakistan helping in stopping the spread of communism and later with Afghan mujahideen fighting proxy wars on US’ behalf.

But why so much noise about this particular aid package?

Real reason is that bypassing government channels has closed the loopholes that enabled large portion of the aid funds siphoned off to the bureaucrats and the politicians. Also the “quid pro quo” which was heretofore an unwritten understanding, has been spelled out. Naturally, vested Pakistani interests don’t like it.

IMHO it is a heaven sent opportunity for Pakistan. Instead of debating this or that condition; as a nation we must understand that until such time we learn to stand on our two feet, we would not be a truly independent nation. No need to insult US by a slap, we should politely decline this aid even if the strings attached are modified; by saying “Thanks but No, Thanks”. And convey to US Administration and the Legislature that if US really wants to help Pakistan; firstly, she should allow free access to Pakistani produce in the US markets and secondly, Pakistan should be able to freely purchase whatever military hardware we desire with cash but without any restrictions.

The million dollar question is “Do we have the spine for such a courageous act”?
 
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I think this bill would create rifts btw Milletery establishment and GOP. The US is asking for too much in return of few penuts . I think this is where the GOP has to make tough decisions and choices.
Pakistan can live without this bill , its the US which faces tough choices . Pakistan is the frontline ally in this so called WOT , Even we have suffered the MAX . Providing AID with such conditions imposed would increase the rifts and thats somthing not affordable for US with current deteriating condition of its war in Afghanistan .
 
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As posted by the Hon. Third Eye; there are no free lunches in this world.

No doubt US has given very substantial military and non military aid to Pakistan during the last 50 years. This was not because US had any special love for Pakistan but only because it served the larger US interests. Ayub Khan wrote about this fact in his book “Friends not Masters” 40 years ago!

This large scale assistance; even though actual aid transferred to Pakistan is no more than 60% (except when under PL-480) served two main purposes. Firstly, it helped US industry and US agriculture in finding markets in Pakistan, in other words an indirect subsidy. Secondly, it promoted US influence in the region, with Pakistan helping in stopping the spread of communism and later with Afghan mujahideen fighting proxy wars on US’ behalf.

But why so much noise about this particular aid package?

Real reason is that bypassing government channels has closed the loopholes that enabled large portion of the aid funds siphoned off to the bureaucrats and the politicians. Also the “quid pro quo” which was heretofore an unwritten understanding, has been spelled out. Naturally, vested Pakistani interests don’t like it.

IMHO it is a heaven sent opportunity for Pakistan. Instead of debating this or that condition; as a nation we must understand that until such time we learn to stand on our two feet, we would not be a truly independent nation. No need to insult US by a slap, we should politely decline this aid even if the strings attached are modified; by saying “Thanks but No, Thanks”. And convey to US Administration and the Legislature that if US really wants to help Pakistan; firstly, she should allow free access to Pakistani produce in the US markets and secondly, Pakistan should be able to freely purchase whatever military hardware we desire with cash but without any restrictions.

The million dollar question is “Do we have the spine for such a courageous act”?

very well said, my thoughts exactly.
 
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A formal input is being provided to the Government. However, in the considered view of the forum, it is the Parliament, that represents the will of the people of Pakistan, which would deliberate on the issue, enabling the Government to develop a National response.

Kudos to the COAS for making clear that whatever the Military's reservations, parliament will make the final call on the issue.
 
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really?

do you really think this bill represents the will of the people?

My comment was not on the Bill, but the COAS's position that parliament should decide, as it alone is an institution elected by the people of Pakistan.

That is the appropriate position for the military to take.

If the Bill does not represent the will of the people, and the media makes enough of a ruckus about it to influence people, there is a good chance that some of the political parties such as PML-N, religious parties and MQM may not support it in parliament either - then it becomes a numbers game - can the PPP pull in enough votes to get a resolution in favor of the bill passed?

P.S: has the text of this bill been posted? If not could someone do so, or at least post the text related to the 'conditions' on military aid?
 
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