Kejriwal’s endorsement of renaming Aurangzeb Road triggers massive debate

[Umair Nawaz]

See I told you, you people master the propaganda. You are talking about me and referring to me as if you are my neighbor a close friend who knows me in and out.

@Umair Nawaz can you or I be what he is trying to prove me to be? Any 0.000000000000001% chance?

People who kicked Dahir's cowardly *** did not go back I guess?

let it go dude, their brains are also midget as them.

 

[rezangahir]

Gakhars were never hindus u dumb f*** ...
here is something which ur history don't really tell u... we call it Shajra Nasb .. if u want i can provide u beyond Kabal shah.. so save us ur stupid rants..idiot..

An indication for Indian Muslims..

Take your head out of ur arse u uneducated you clown ...you are posting a arabic trash ...even hindu gakkhar exists today whose ancestors came during partition.Farishta (medieval historian )view, the Gakhars were an Indian Kshatriya tribe who resisted Mahmud of Ghazni invasion of India.

“ This barbarous people continued to make incursions on the Muslims till in the latter end of this kings reign, their chieftain was converted to the true faith when a captive. After becoming a proselyte he procured his release from the king, who endeavored to persuade him to convert his followers.

Ferishta goes on to record about the conversion of the Gakhars and other local people at the hands of Muhammad of Ghor -

“ most of the infidels who inhabited the mountains between Ghazni and the Indus were also converted, some by force and others by persuation.

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Hindu Marriage customs are recorded prevalent among Muslim Gakhars as late as the 18th century in the district gazetteer of Rawalpindi

“ old religious customs, obviously of Hindu origin are still observed by the Gakhars, or were until within a very short period, such as customs at marriage of lawa-pherna and Khari par baithana, and the Kazi and the Brahman are both present on such occasions. Further it is curious that their headmen always call themselves Raja and not by any other distinctively Musalman title. The name Gakhar too , seems to partake more of a Hindu than of Persian or Arabic form".

According to S A A Rizvi

The Islamicization of India was not their main objective, although some tribal leaders such as the Gakkhars were encouraged to embrace Islam.
While a significantly large majority of Gakkhars did convert to Islam from Hinduism, during the medieval period many Gakhar Hindus did not convert and continued to live in their traditional homelands of Jhelum, Kashmir, and West Punjab (which now falls in the Pakistan Punjab).

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Encyclopaedia of the World Muslims: Tribes, Castes and Communities - Google Books

 

[EAK]

Take your head out of ur arse u uneducated you clown ...you are posting a arabic trash ...even hindu gakkhar exists today whose ancestors came during partition.Farishta (medieval historian )view, the Gakhars were an Indian Kshatriya tribe who resisted Mahmud of Ghazni invasion of India.

“ This barbarous people continued to make incursions on the Muslims till in the latter end of this kings reign, their chieftain was converted to the true faith when a captive. After becoming a proselyte he procured his release from the king, who endeavored to persuade him to convert his followers.

Ferishta goes on to record about the conversion of the Gakhars and other local people at the hands of Muhammad of Ghor -

“ most of the infidels who inhabited the mountains between Ghazni and the Indus were also converted, some by force and others by persuation.

............................................................................................................

Hindu Marriage customs are recorded prevalent among Muslim Gakhars as late as the 18th century in the district gazetteer of Rawalpindi

“ old religious customs, obviously of Hindu origin are still observed by the Gakhars, or were until within a very short period, such as customs at marriage of lawa-pherna and Khari par baithana, and the Kazi and the Brahman are both present on such occasions. Further it is curious that their headmen always call themselves Raja and not by any other distinctively Musalman title. The name Gakhar too , seems to partake more of a Hindu than of Persian or Arabic form".

According to S A A Rizvi

The Islamicization of India was not their main objective, although some tribal leaders such as the Gakkhars were encouraged to embrace Islam.
While a significantly large majority of Gakkhars did convert to Islam from Hinduism, during the medieval period many Gakhar Hindus did not convert and continued to live in their traditional homelands of Jhelum, Kashmir, and West Punjab (which now falls in the Pakistan Punjab).

................................................................................................................................
Encyclopaedia of the World Muslims: Tribes, Castes and Communities - Google Books

What a shi* head are u.. what i provided was a shjra nasb a.k.a family tree.. which our families have..
and its not arabic its urdu u illitrate swaami..
and for customs we muslims here celebrate shab.e.brat with patakha and phuljhari does that mean we are hindus.. no it means we lived together for centuries and have some similar habits .. thats it.. it dosn't mean we r hindu..
now let me tell u some history in detail.. with reference to FARISHTA, HAIDER DOGHLAT and the HAJNAMA. Mr. BRANDRETH and other historians in detail..now get your head out of your @$$ for a while to read..
.Brig. Arshad Nawaz Kayani(late) of Badlot Jhelum had done extensive research on the origin of GAKHARS.According to him, eversince 326 B.C. in the available historical records Gakhars have been referred to as Gakhars. It was in 1850 A.D., during the British rule that some study was carried out about the origin of Gakhars, and for the first time a theory regarding their Persian origin was presented and the word KAYANI was also added.From 326 B.C. till 1850 A.D. for a period of about 1176 years they were only known as Gakhars. It is only 100 years back that besides the word Gakhar, the word KAYANI was introduced. There are conflicting theories regarding the connection between these two names and the origin of Gakhars. Mr.Brandreth, in Jhelum settlement report page 48 states that Gakhars came from Persia through Kashmir. He seems to have taken lead from the local tradition and claims of few Gakhar spokesmen. Some Gakhar spokesmen trace their decent from Kaigohar, a native of Isphan in Persia, whose son, Sultan Kaid was a great general, the conqueror of Badakshan and part of Tibet. For seven generations the family ruled in Tibet, till Sultan Kab conquered Kashmir from Munawar Khan. For thirteen generations the Gakhars held Kashmir, under: Farukh Amir,Mir Dad, Khairuddin,Goharganj, Nurudin, Bakhtyar, Alam, Samand, Magrab and Rustam. In this last reign the Kashmiris revolted and put Rustum to death. His son Kabil fled to the court of Nasiruddin Sabaktagin in Kabul, in 987 A.D. Then according to these claims they entered Punjab in the company of Mahmud Ghaznavi in early that century.Yet another source on which some work has been done by Dr. Muhammad Baqir, is the, "UNPUBLISHED HISTORY OF GAKHARS" originally written by Raezada Dunni Chand in 1725 A.D. at the behest of gakhar rulers of Akbarabad and Pharwala. Mr. Dunni Chand confirms the theory of Mr. Brandreth. Another argument regarding the Persian origin is the claim that the city of KAYAN in Persia was the capitol of KEI KAYUS, KEI KUBAD and KEI KHUSRO, and some say that Gakhars call themselves KAYANI, because they claim descent from these kings. Others say, that Gakhars call themselves KANANI or CANANITES, because they claim descent from Jacob & Joseph who lived in CANAN (IRAN), and it is this word that has been misread as KAYANI. As regards the word KAYANI having a Persian origin. Ther is no place by the name of KAYAN or KAYANI in Iran. Like the word Kayani, there is no such word, place or tribe by the name of GAKHAR. This leads us to the conclusion that the word Gakhar is probably of Indian origin.Some historians like General Court also believe that Gakhar is word of Indian origin. If it is so, it disproves the Persian origin of GAKHAR tribe and the name KAYANI. Thus the Gakhars are descendants of Indians or somewhere else, but positively not from Persia.Even today, there is a town, KOZANI in Greece located in the mountainous area South West of a bigger Greek town, VEORIA. Kozani is located at the perimeter of Mecidonia Encyclopedia Britannica Vol 8, 1981 edition, page 314.It is a historical fact, that KOZANI's joined Alexander in his expedition from MECEDONIA between 334 B.C. and 326 B.C. In his first battle against the Persian empire the Kozani's excelled and were usrd as the spear head of the expedition.In the battle of ISSUES (333 B.C.) Kozanis once again proved their mettle and the Persian army under DARIOUS was defeated.In 326 B.C. against Porus in the battle of HYDASPES (JHELUM) the KOZANIS were the spearhead again under the command of their chief KOINOS. Porus was defeated and Having followed Alexander's expedition to river Jhelum, we are in a reasonable position to justify the Greek origin of Gakhars. KAYANI seems to be originally KOZANI. As in the Greek alphabet 'Z' is written shaped as 'Y' of english, with passage of time the word KOZANI first became KOYANI and later to KAYANI. Exactly like the word RUM became modern day ROME, or BUCEPHALUS(the name of Alexander's horse which died at a place originally named Buchapualus), became the present day PHALIA, near Gujrat. If Kayanis are of Persian origin then how the name Gakhar became attached to them? Alexander crossed the river Jhelum 15 miles upstream from the present location of Jhelum city. The crossing site was near a village, "BHUNdna GAKKHARAN" located at the bend of the river(early history of India by V.A. Smith 4th edition, 1957. revised by S.M. Edwardes, published by Oxford University Press London). Probably, a contigent of KOZANIS settled at and around BHUNDANA GAKKHRAN as greeks ruled a considerable part of punjab from 326 B.C. to 20 A.D. after which a majority of them migerated towards Sultanpur in LEHRI hills. The locals of Punjab at that time called these Greek invaders, GREEKERS, which over a period of time became GAKHAR. Even today there are about 12 Gakhar families living in village BHUNDNA GAKKHARAN on the Western bank of river Jhelum and East of village RANJA MAIRA.There are some other facts which lead to Greek origin of Gakhars and their connection with the name Kayani. The features of Kayani's are far different from the other Indian tribes. Their structure and features are more like Greeks, but certainly not like Iranians or Indians. Kayanis were a hill tribe in Greece. Even today all Kayani villages are located in the hills. In essance the whole pattern of Kayani settlement in Jhelum corresponds to the Greek Kozani's pattern. Maximum Kayanis are found between river Jhelum and the Nili range. Alexander throughout his campaign, whereever he halted, created Greek settlements. One such settlement by the name of ALEXANDRIA NICAEA ( modern village BUGGA) is in Jhelum. KOZANIS (KAYANIS) probably, settled at BHUNDANA GAKHRAN in Jhelum. Kayani villages lie exactly on the route of Alexander's expedition through HAZARA, RAWALPINDI and finally in maximum numbers in Jhelum area. ISKANDRIAL, the name of one Gakhar clan found in Lehri hills is probably derived from Alexander the great. in the local language "AL" means "AULAD". Thus ISKANDRIAL means AULAD of ASKANDER. This points to Gakhars connection with Alexander. KOZANI'S were the best light cavalry used by Alexander. Mr. Thomson says that during the British India Kayanis were the best light cavalry in India. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that the Gakhars founded a dynasty in Kashmir. Indeed the names given of gakhar chiefs like: Kairuddin, Nuruddin etc. Suggest that they were muslims, but at that time the Gakhars were not converted to Islam till the 13th century, as stated by FARISHTA, HAIDER DOGHLAT and the HAJNAMA. Mr. BRANDRETH'S contention that the Gakhars entered India in the company of Mahmud Ghaznavi is also contradicted by the fact, that in 1008 A.D Mahmud Ghazanvi was nearly defeated by the impetuosity of an attack made on his camp by a force of 30,000/- Gakhars. Therefore, the existing Gakhar legend of their Persian origin stands rejected.FARISTA says that Gakhars were present in Punjab around 682 A.D. Seems to be accurate, but then their appearance in 1008 A.D. with Mahmud Ghaznavi (Now put my shajra nasb here and USE ur mind) . Therefore, despite the attractive claims of descent through the sons of Hazrat Ali, the KAYANI'S or GAKHAR'S have to be content with and accept the fact that they have an equally prideful GREEK KOZANI origin.Giving Two Theories Two Results .. Either Sassanians or Greeks... Not hindus

 

[haviZsultan]

I talked about this before. India has constantly tried to purge the muslim identity from the fabric of the nation. It is trying futilely to remove Islamic history and replace it with the Hindu version of events. This is detrimental to the muslim population and their unique identity is slowly but surely being removed.

The renaming of roads based on Islamic conquerors is merely a step forward in the direction of removing Islamic influence from the nation. I have seen this happen in our parts and Hyderabadis have seen it in theirs. All muslims can say it is an attack and has a negative impact on their unique identity.

 

[SURYA-1]

Muslims like Aurangzeb better relocate to Pakistan like willy @haviZsultan or be prepared retribution is not far.

We will do spain. Convert back or die.Till India has this major faultline India is at risk. Sooner dealt the better.

Haviz has recently disclosed what we always doubted.

 

[Sky lord]

@jamahir this extent of brainwash and sanghi fanaticism is unbelievable !



The problem is that by doing so you sanghis are forcing a choice upon Muslims - either be an alleged bad muslim (Aurangazeb) or a supposedly good Muslim (Kalam)

And so you throw the cat amongst the pigeons and walk away whistling with your hands in your pocket. Nice work.

 

[Great Sachin]

Muslim ruled 900 yrs and then Hindus are ruling them...Now I should feel good....right?

 

[hussain0216]

I talked about this before. India has constantly tried to purge the muslim identity from the fabric of the nation. It is trying futilely to remove Islamic history and replace it with the Hindu version of events. This is detrimental to the muslim population and their unique identity is slowly but surely being removed.

The renaming of roads based on Islamic conquerors is merely a step forward in the direction of removing Islamic influence from the nation. I have seen this happen in our parts and Hyderabadis have seen it in theirs. All muslims can say it is an attack and has a negative impact on their unique identity.

Ots what i said about the indian muslims

They are under great threat

The time to prepare is not when it is too late but now

The hindutva crowd are actively trying to erase muslim history in india


Jinnah was right about the sub continent all along

The indian muslim population is pushing 200 million now and will grow quickly in the future and with that many millions of people fight for a partition of india and a new muslim state

 

[magudi]

a good muslim or not?

Whether you like it or not history cannot be changed , he was a good muslim

Aurangzeb had taken the greatest mughal empire to its zenith during his reign. India was the richest empire during his time. As a person he was extremely pious and just. He earned his daily bread by knitting skull caps and writing religious texts and lived like a Fakir. His empire covered all of India and Afghanistan. There are minor aberrations like his ill treatment of sikh gurus, implementation of sharia laws and imposition of jazia on non muslims. But if there can be roads named after Babur and Tughlaq then Aurangzeb Road should have been there.

 

[rezangahir]

What a shi* head are u.. what i provided was a shjra nasb a.k.a family tree.. which our families have..
and its not arabic its urdu u illitrate swaami..
and for customs we muslims here celebrate shab.e.brat with patakha and phuljhari does that mean we are hindus.. no it means we lived together for centuries and have some similar habits .. thats it.. it dosn't mean we r hindu..
now let me tell u some history in detail.. with reference to FARISHTA, HAIDER DOGHLAT and the HAJNAMA. Mr. BRANDRETH and other historians in detail..now get your head out of your @$$ for a while to read..
.Brig. Arshad Nawaz Kayani(late) of Badlot Jhelum had done extensive research on the origin of GAKHARS.According to him, eversince 326 B.C. in the available historical records Gakhars have been referred to as Gakhars. It was in 1850 A.D., during the British rule that some study was carried out about the origin of Gakhars, and for the first time a theory regarding their Persian origin was presented and the word KAYANI was also added.From 326 B.C. till 1850 A.D. for a period of about 1176 years they were only known as Gakhars. It is only 100 years back that besides the word Gakhar, the word KAYANI was introduced. There are conflicting theories regarding the connection between these two names and the origin of Gakhars. Mr.Brandreth, in Jhelum settlement report page 48 states that Gakhars came from Persia through Kashmir. He seems to have taken lead from the local tradition and claims of few Gakhar spokesmen. Some Gakhar spokesmen trace their decent from Kaigohar, a native of Isphan in Persia, whose son, Sultan Kaid was a great general, the conqueror of Badakshan and part of Tibet. For seven generations the family ruled in Tibet, till Sultan Kab conquered Kashmir from Munawar Khan. For thirteen generations the Gakhars held Kashmir, under: Farukh Amir,Mir Dad, Khairuddin,Goharganj, Nurudin, Bakhtyar, Alam, Samand, Magrab and Rustam. In this last reign the Kashmiris revolted and put Rustum to death. His son Kabil fled to the court of Nasiruddin Sabaktagin in Kabul, in 987 A.D. Then according to these claims they entered Punjab in the company of Mahmud Ghaznavi in early that century.Yet another source on which some work has been done by Dr. Muhammad Baqir, is the, "UNPUBLISHED HISTORY OF GAKHARS" originally written by Raezada Dunni Chand in 1725 A.D. at the behest of gakhar rulers of Akbarabad and Pharwala. Mr. Dunni Chand confirms the theory of Mr. Brandreth. Another argument regarding the Persian origin is the claim that the city of KAYAN in Persia was the capitol of KEI KAYUS, KEI KUBAD and KEI KHUSRO, and some say that Gakhars call themselves KAYANI, because they claim descent from these kings. Others say, that Gakhars call themselves KANANI or CANANITES, because they claim descent from Jacob & Joseph who lived in CANAN (IRAN), and it is this word that has been misread as KAYANI. As regards the word KAYANI having a Persian origin. Ther is no place by the name of KAYAN or KAYANI in Iran. Like the word Kayani, there is no such word, place or tribe by the name of GAKHAR. This leads us to the conclusion that the word Gakhar is probably of Indian origin.Some historians like General Court also believe that Gakhar is word of Indian origin. If it is so, it disproves the Persian origin of GAKHAR tribe and the name KAYANI. Thus the Gakhars are descendants of Indians or somewhere else, but positively not from Persia.Even today, there is a town, KOZANI in Greece located in the mountainous area South West of a bigger Greek town, VEORIA. Kozani is located at the perimeter of Mecidonia Encyclopedia Britannica Vol 8, 1981 edition, page 314.It is a historical fact, that KOZANI's joined Alexander in his expedition from MECEDONIA between 334 B.C. and 326 B.C. In his first battle against the Persian empire the Kozani's excelled and were usrd as the spear head of the expedition.In the battle of ISSUES (333 B.C.) Kozanis once again proved their mettle and the Persian army under DARIOUS was defeated.In 326 B.C. against Porus in the battle of HYDASPES (JHELUM) the KOZANIS were the spearhead again under the command of their chief KOINOS. Porus was defeated and Having followed Alexander's expedition to river Jhelum, we are in a reasonable position to justify the Greek origin of Gakhars. KAYANI seems to be originally KOZANI. As in the Greek alphabet 'Z' is written shaped as 'Y' of english, with passage of time the word KOZANI first became KOYANI and later to KAYANI. Exactly like the word RUM became modern day ROME, or BUCEPHALUS(the name of Alexander's horse which died at a place originally named Buchapualus), became the present day PHALIA, near Gujrat. If Kayanis are of Persian origin then how the name Gakhar became attached to them? Alexander crossed the river Jhelum 15 miles upstream from the present location of Jhelum city. The crossing site was near a village, "BHUNdna GAKKHARAN" located at the bend of the river(early history of India by V.A. Smith 4th edition, 1957. revised by S.M. Edwardes, published by Oxford University Press London). Probably, a contigent of KOZANIS settled at and around BHUNDANA GAKKHRAN as greeks ruled a considerable part of punjab from 326 B.C. to 20 A.D. after which a majority of them migerated towards Sultanpur in LEHRI hills. The locals of Punjab at that time called these Greek invaders, GREEKERS, which over a period of time became GAKHAR. Even today there are about 12 Gakhar families living in village BHUNDNA GAKKHARAN on the Western bank of river Jhelum and East of village RANJA MAIRA.There are some other facts which lead to Greek origin of Gakhars and their connection with the name Kayani. The features of Kayani's are far different from the other Indian tribes. Their structure and features are more like Greeks, but certainly not like Iranians or Indians. Kayanis were a hill tribe in Greece. Even today all Kayani villages are located in the hills. In essance the whole pattern of Kayani settlement in Jhelum corresponds to the Greek Kozani's pattern. Maximum Kayanis are found between river Jhelum and the Nili range. Alexander throughout his campaign, whereever he halted, created Greek settlements. One such settlement by the name of ALEXANDRIA NICAEA ( modern village BUGGA) is in Jhelum. KOZANIS (KAYANIS) probably, settled at BHUNDANA GAKHRAN in Jhelum. Kayani villages lie exactly on the route of Alexander's expedition through HAZARA, RAWALPINDI and finally in maximum numbers in Jhelum area. ISKANDRIAL, the name of one Gakhar clan found in Lehri hills is probably derived from Alexander the great. in the local language "AL" means "AULAD". Thus ISKANDRIAL means AULAD of ASKANDER. This points to Gakhars connection with Alexander. KOZANI'S were the best light cavalry used by Alexander. Mr. Thomson says that during the British India Kayanis were the best light cavalry in India. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that the Gakhars founded a dynasty in Kashmir. Indeed the names given of gakhar chiefs like: Kairuddin, Nuruddin etc. Suggest that they were muslims, but at that time the Gakhars were not converted to Islam till the 13th century, as stated by FARISHTA, HAIDER DOGHLAT and the HAJNAMA. Mr. BRANDRETH'S contention that the Gakhars entered India in the company of Mahmud Ghaznavi is also contradicted by the fact, that in 1008 A.D Mahmud Ghazanvi was nearly defeated by the impetuosity of an attack made on his camp by a force of 30,000/- Gakhars. Therefore, the existing Gakhar legend of their Persian origin stands rejected.FARISTA says that Gakhars were present in Punjab around 682 A.D. Seems to be accurate, but then their appearance in 1008 A.D. with Mahmud Ghaznavi (Now put my shajra nasb here and USE ur mind) . Therefore, despite the attractive claims of descent through the sons of Hazrat Ali, the KAYANI'S or GAKHAR'S have to be content with and accept the fact that they have an equally prideful GREEK KOZANI origin.Giving Two Theories Two Results .. Either Sassanians or Greeks... Not hindus

what a trash post with gutter logic ..... i am giving u muslim sources both modern historian and medieval and you are quoting me personal opinion of some random guy Brig arshad nawaz.... how come Dasrath gakkahr is muslim name,Raja was the title given to hindu converts like Minhas,gakkhar and other rajputs..



again this is what farishta wrote ..

“ This barbarous people continued to make incursions on the Muslims till in the latter end of this kings reign, their chieftain was converted to the true faith when a captive. After becoming a proselyte he procured his release from the king, who endeavored to persuade him to convert his followers.

Ferishta goes on to record about the conversion of the Gakhars and other local people at the hands ofMuhammad of Ghor -

“ most of the infidels who inhabited the mountains between Ghazni and the Indus were also converted,some by force and others by persuation.

 

[SURYA-1]

Ots what i said about the indian muslims

They are under great threat

The time to prepare is not when it is too late but now

The hindutva crowd are actively trying to erase muslim history in india


Jinnah was right about the sub continent all along

The indian muslim population is pushing 200 million now and will grow quickly in the future and with that many millions of people fight for a partition of india and a new muslim state

No Gandhi- Nehru combo in India this time.If there rises one then he would have to go down with Muslims. Only Modi-Shah Now.

 

[jamahir]

@jamahir this extent of brainwash and sanghi fanaticism is unbelievable !

it is especially sad to see the younger bunch say such reactionary words... the education system has failed in educating.

yeah, lets hear the communist bhikari take on this latest case of right wing fascism.

 

[ravi kiran]

if it was up to your kind you would have demolished Taj Mahal too

Yes I personally want that filthy structure destroyed. It is monument of Islamic barbaric rule. Inshaallah soon we will burn it down.

 

[Kaniska]

@jamahir this extent of brainwash and sanghi fanaticism is unbelievable !



The problem is that by doing so you sanghis are forcing a choice upon Muslims - either be an alleged bad muslim (Aurangazeb) or a supposedly good Muslim (Kalam)

Of coourse..every one has a choice to make....India can not with sympathizers of Aurenzeb...We do not have issues with good Mogal kings like Akbar ....You can feel proud for people who has hurt the religious sentiment of majority of a nation...It is same way like Muslim hit to the streets if they are hurt with some minor issues about their religion....

 

[hussain0216]

No Gandhi- Nehru combo in India this time.If there rises one then he would have to go down with Muslims. Only Modi-Shah Now.

Who needs ghandi or nehru

With indias population growing to 1.6 billion it will be busting at its seems

Partition will be the natural outcome

Yes I personally want that filthy structure destroyed. It is monument of Islamic barbaric rule. Inshaallah soon we will burn it down.

It is a monument to the supreme rule muslims had in the subcontinent

The most stunning structure in india

If you had the balls you should have taken on tamerlane, babar, Akbar or Shah Jahan then rather than try to destroy historic buildings centuries later