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Kazakhstan has similar Living standard like Poland, Hungary, Croatia & Baltics/Belarus above Romania

I have been to Kazakhstan and have close friends among Kazakhs. The living standard in Almaty is definitely higher than in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan for example. It is not just that Kazakhs have more resources like, oil, gas and huge mostly arid land, they are a fiercely proud nomadic people, more orderly and are not prone to chaos like their little brother Kyrgyz nomads. Kazakhs are nomads of the steppes flat terrain and Kyrgyz are nomads of the Tien Shan mountains south of Kazakhstan and the two culture, language and ethnic origin has a lot of overlap. They also have ties with Turkmen nomads. Because essentially Kazakhs are a conglomeration of a large group of nomadic Muslim people spanning from Caspian to Chinese border in the east with their origin in Kazakh Khanate. Some say there are 3 kinds of Kazakhs, Turkmen Kazakh, Kyrgyz Kazakh and Mongol Kazakh, not sure if it is related to the 3 zhuzes:
Kazakh Khanate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although they do not respect sedentary farming communities like Uzbek and Tajik, Nazarbayev did try to create a Central Asian Union. So I would say even though they have smaller population (15 million) than Uzbekistan (25 million), they have more of a leadership aptitude among the 5 central Asian stans. Being closer to Russia, they have also become much more Russianized than the other stans who became part of Russian empire much later than the Kazakhs.

@Ahiska is my impression correct? Are you originally from Turkmenistan? I have seen a lot of Ahiska Turks in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, but never met any. Nice to have met you here.
 
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And that exactly what US does in its capitalist third world. So whats yr point? The thing is one's hegemony can be neutralized if u have another option.


The US is still a superpower which will go to extreme lenghts to achieve its interests but it is still more humane.I'm sry but the US didn't try to erase entire national identities in the 20th century ,Russia/SU did.Even today they're selling their "version" to some nations (like Moldova)

Hypothetical example:

If tommorow Russia invades Romania and starts exterminating Romanians en masse or occupy the country indefinite nobody will give a flying **** in Russia because they're nationalists to the bone and they just don't care ,this is how they are.

If the US does the same,sure at first if the propaganda does its magic the American public will support the war (Murica hell yeah!) but if words of the horrors leak out you'll see people in the streets,NGO's protesting and making a fuss about human rights,the goverment will back down.That in my book makes them more humane.
 
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The US is still a superpower which will go to extreme lenghts to achieve its interests but it is still more humane.I'm sry but the US didn't try to erase entire national identities in the 20th century ,Russia/SU did.Even today they're selling their "version" to some nations (like Moldova)

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How so? Ever heard of Red Indians? What the great Colonists did in 16th century or before Russia just did in 20th century still i have my doubts on it.

Remember atleast in Russia with socialism or communism everyone was/is equal in wealth and property but same cant be said abt Capitalist west specially US. Do u know a few 300 individual own entire wealth of not just USA but world in America?

Look im not trying to defend but in this world nobody is a Saint, but atleast a lesser evil is better in order to balance things for a better survival.
 
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I have been to Kazakhstan and have close friends among Kazakhs. The living standard in Almaty is definitely higher than in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan for example. It is not just that Kazakhs have more resources like, oil, gas and huge mostly arid land, they are a fiercely proud nomadic people, more orderly and are not prone to chaos like their little brother Kyrgyz nomads. Kazakhs are nomads of the steppes flat terrain and Kyrgyz are nomads of the Tien Shan mountains south of Kazakhstan and the two culture, language and ethnic origin has a lot of overlap. They also have ties with Turkmen nomads. Because essentially Kazakhs are a conglomeration of a large group of nomadic Muslim people spanning from Caspian to Chinese border in the east with their origin in Kazakh Khanate. Some say there are 3 kinds of Kazakhs, Turkmen Kazakh, Kyrgyz Kazakh and Mongol Kazakh, not sure if it is related to the 3 zhuzes:
Kazakh Khanate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although they do not respect sedentary farming communities like Uzbek and Tajik, Nazarbayev did try to create a Central Asian Union. So I would say even though they have smaller population (15 million) than Uzbekistan (25 million), they have more of a leadership aptitude among the 5 central Asian stans. Being closer to Russia, they have also become much more Russianized than the other stans who became part of Russian empire much later than the Kazakhs.

@Ahiska is my impression correct? Are you originally from Turkmenistan? I have seen a lot of Ahiska Turks in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan, but never met any. Nice to have met you here.
My mother is a Türkmen
 
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How so? Ever heard of Red Indians? What the great Colonists did in 16th century or before Russia just did in 20th century still i have my doubts on it.

Remember atleast in Russia with socialism or communism everyone was/is equal in wealth and property but same cant be said abt Capitalist west specially US. Do u know a few 300 individual own entire wealth of not just USA but world in America?

Look im not trying to defend but in this world nobody is a Saint, but atleast a lesser evil is better in order to balance things for a better survival.



I'm talking about the 20th century onwards when supposedly humanity advanced.Russia didn't and still occupies/falsifies other nations history and they are very unrepentant about it.

Sure,but for me the lesser evil is US,maybe you're thinking this way because you have the US meddling in Pakistan but believe me,you ain't seen nothing until you have Russia meddling.Now ,that's a hell of a "ride"...
 
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In effect what Russians did was use the socialist ideology to continue to hold on to their former Russian empire, the result of earlier imperial conquests.

I support what @vostok said about socialism, Cental Asian people still feel nostalgic about it, no one likes this capitalism today in former soviet states I have been to, except for the rich, because everyone is piss poor and struggling to get by, whereas that was not the case during Soviet times. Perhaps they should have adopted market reforms like Deng Xiao Ping in China, that way they could still keep the union together.

I agree with @flamer84 Kazakhs have similar feeling about Russians, because they bore the brunt of Russian repression, forced collectivization etc. Oddly enough I believe they do not have as much bad memory of Russian imperial times, so the repression seems like a factor after the Bolshevik takeover.

I think this Ukraine incident will pretty much seal the fate of Russia-West relations, the result Russia will not become a part of EU and NATO in the foreseeable future and may become a permanent ally of China and other Asian nations led by China.

I think this was a strategic mistake by NATO, because Russia was a much bigger prize. May be they concluded that they are not going to get Russia anyways, so they might as well get what they can (Ukraine).

@vostok, your kind opinion about above please.
 
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The Soviet Union had its drawbacks. But capitalism is much worse. Next time we will build a new socialist society, trying to fix the old system's flaws.
All my friends remember with warmth about USSR. It was a powerful country, protecting the weak nations from Western imperialist's greed and chaos. It was a country where people for free had the best education in the world. Where from an early age, to the death of the man knew that the society will not leave him. That will help him with the work, with housing, with education for children. Where you will be cured, regardless of how much money it will cost the country. Where for the salvation of one simple working man could send a huge plane.
USSR citizens were proud of their country. And they had reasons to be proud of.
Im also a proud (former) Soviet citizen and it will forever be a part of my history and life but my judgement is not clouded the USSR had huge and many problems that many overlook
Also the USSR invaded other countries you know that right? (And many eastern Europeans express it today)
 
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Times have changed, unfortunately some people still live in romanticized soviet era which was nightmare for everybody but the oligarch.

A Turkic unity initiative again on regional agenda


On the eve of a summit of Turkic-speaking countries in Baku in late May, the discussion of their political integration is acquiring new dimensions.

At the Friendship, Brotherhood, and Cooperation Congress of Turkic States and Communities in Azerbaijan last November, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan suggested the formation of a political alliance of Turkic-speaking countries (Turkey, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and Kyrgyzstan) in order to coordinate major foreign policy decisions, for instance on Iraq and the Israeli-Palestinian problem.

The reception, however, has been lukewarm. Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and Kyrgyzstan are interested in it, whereas Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are rather sceptical.

The idea of a Turkic political union dates back to the early 1990s. Nationalist sentiment in the post-Soviet Turkic republics was on the rise, and the ideas of Turkic unity or pan-Turkism were much in demand. Advocates of Turkic political unity were inspired by the economic and political successes of Turkey, with which Azerbaijan and all the Central Asian republics, with the exception of Tajikistan, have common ethnic roots. In Turkey, far-right nationalists demanded that the government speed up this process as much as possible, and become its vehicle rather than ideological proponent. A ministry in charge of contacts with Turkic countries was set up, and exists in Turkey up to this day.

During this period, the region’s political leaders often visited their wealthy Turkish brethren for advice and material aid. Turkish leaders also often came to the region to encourage their colleagues to promote Turkic integration.

These Turkish actions later turned out to be counterproductive. Displeased with Ankara’s attempts to impose its influence on the region, the ruling elites of the newly independent republics started elaborating their own ideology, in which national identity (Azerbaijani, Kazakh, or Uzbek) prevailed over Turkic integration. These countries opted for political and economic integration in the CIS and the SCO (Shanghai Cooperation Organisation). Azerbaijan, which has always been close to Turkey, was the only exception. Beset by economic and domestic political problems, Turkey gradually lost its influence in the region.

Now the situation is changing. Unprecedented economic growth in post-Soviet countries, stronger energy security, and the growing geo-political weight of energy-rich countries have considerably consolidated their positions in Eurasia. Moreover, they have acquired the buffer role between the troubled regions of South-West Asia and prosperous Europe. The regional political elites have become more active and confident in the world arena. Participation in alliances is no longer a threat to their independence. Some can even come up with their own integration ideas.

Kazakhstan, the leading regional player, suggested the formation of an inter-parliamentary assembly of Turkic states. This idea was suggested by Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev at the Turkic summit in 2006, which was also attended by Turkey, Azerbaijan, and Kyrgyzstan.

Last February, deputy heads of parliaments from the four countries signed a letter of intent on the assembly’s formation. Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan did not express any wish to join it, thereby demonstrating their attitude to Turkic integration.

But there is still time left. Most likely, the sides will reveal their final position on the issue at the Baku summit, which is expected to be attended by the leaders of the six states.

Recently, the relentless Nazarbayev proposed the formation of a Central Asian union for Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan. Although the suggested formation is regional rather than ethnic, Kazakhstan is not averse to the idea of being a Turkic leader as well, considering the predominant position of Turkic countries. Sceptics maintain that it will be very hard to persuade Islam Karimov to accept this, as his recent visit to Astana has shown. Moreover, Ashgabat’s position clearly contradicts the Kazakh leader’s plans.

Meanwhile, Turkey needs a political Turkic union more than ever before. Prime Minister Erdogan is interested in its formation, because it may help him win the fight against his political opponents.

At the same time, observers predict that Ankara will only manage to persuade other Turkic capitals to form mechanisms for foreign policy coordination because there are no stable economic, military and political prerequisites towards association. Via the proposed alliance, Turkey may try to legalise its position on Cyprus and Iraqi Kurdistan, at least to some extent. Nonetheless, some countries may be interested in the proposed alliance as a vehicle for creating a semblance of foreign policy alternatives.
 
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Im also a proud (former) Soviet citizen and it will forever be a part of my history and life but my judgement is not clouded the USSR had huge and many problems that many overlook
Also the USSR invaded other countries you know that right? (And many eastern Europeans express it today)


Hungary '56,Czechoslovakia '68....almost Romania '68 but we were saved-and here are many theories-by US,China,and the fact that unlike Czechoslovakia we would have actually put up a fight and the SU saw it as bad publicity to fight a war within its own European Warsaw Pact.(which,ofcourse,they would have won but with some costs)
 
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Hungary '56,Czechoslovakia '68....almost Romania '68 but we were saved-and here are many theories-by US,China,and the fact that unlike Czechoslovakia we would have actually put up a fight and the SU saw it as bad publicity to fight a war within its own European Warsaw Pact.(which,ofcourse,they would have won but with some costs)


lol you mad bro? Belarus is richer than Romania despite having no natural resources. Eurasian Union is the future, its only idnepenent organisation in eastern europe.

EU is just an arm of the west to get your resources and women

The Soviet Union had to build a wall to keep it's people IN. WTF does THAT tell you ? Geez !!



YOU GO, BOY !!!!
yet more poles flee their country since EU membership than during communism

The World Factbook
 
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lol you mad bro? Belarus is richer than Romania despite having no natural resources. Eurasian Union is the future, its only idnepenent organisation in eastern europe.

EU is just an arm of the west to get your resources and women



Except that it actually isn't ...Belarus has a 6.7k $ per capita nominal (the one who really counts not the PPP fairy tale you like to spin) and Romania has 9.5k ....that's some difference there chief.Not to mention double the population and the fact that Belarus has multiple haircuts on its debt by Russia while Romania actually pays its debts which is a sign of a functioning economy.


And altough Romania is 40%+ Belarus per capita (and a troll like you says they're doing better) let's see what the future brings.......oh...2013 growth ...0.9 for Belarus,3.5 for Romania.......lay of the vodka "tovaras"


Oh,btw at 0.9 growth Belarus has 18% inflation in 2013......do the math genius.
 
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BECAUSE THEY CAN !! GEEZ !!!



It's not even about fleeing.They're next door neighbours with Germany which has 4-5 times bigger wages...So,a pole living in western Poland can hop in car ,make a 1h road to a job in Germany and earn 4 times as much than in his country...decisions,decisions..............And talknig about decisions,why isn't @senheiser leaving Germany and living the good life in Russia ?
 
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