Kazakh Khanate and the enslave of Russians

[usernameless]

Our relation with central Asian nations based on the the five principles of peaceful coexistence,we want to cooperate with them in economic development and deal with Islamic extremism
Also the Hans moving into Xinjiang is true in some sense,but the areas they moved in are Jungaria,not southern Xinjiang,southern Xinjiang always has a Uyghur-majority population and can not changed,while even before PRC founded,the city Urumqi(known as Dihua that time) has a Han majority population.Jungaria is former Jungar land,the land was conquered by Qianlong empire,the Jungar population unfortunately wiped out by Imperial Chinese army,so the people from China proper settled in Jungaria.
Central Asia has millions people,I don't think China want to add millions muslims to be their citizens,so the concern of Chinese take over central asia is just a lie created by Russians to justice their rule in central asia

i do not worry about Chinese 'exporting' Han people into CA, that is just unrealistic Russian propaganda. I am more cautious of China using its leverage on CA like Russia does. Compared to Russia, China is a relative new player to CA, so i have more question marks about China than Russia, but that doesnt mean that China will only bring negative influence to the region. to be honest, i prefer Russia and China to get bad relationship due CA. More assertive China in CA should mean a disappointed Russia, so Turkic countries will have more options (for example, Turkmenistan was dependent on Russia for exporting natural resources to Europe, but now they have pipeline with China too) instead of relying only on Russia for various kind of reasons. There are already Chinese pipeline plans in CA and i think Russia is more negative about Chinese investments than positive.

You want to build a union based on the similarity of the language and culture? This is an utopia. In the 19th century, Russia has invested huge sources in the pan-Slavism. And Russia was in much more advantageous position - Russia was a superpower, and Russia was the only independent Slavic country in the world. However, it turned out that the cultural community has nothing to do with politics. Except for Serbs and Montenegrins, all other Slavic countries gladly sold out themselvez to west.
Returning to the borders of the USSR in Central Asia - the issue of border security, as in the steppes of Kazakhstan can not be any boundaries at all. And the process goes - were recreated military bases in Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, their weapons constantly updated, besides Russia invests hundreds millon dollars in the development of armies of Kirgizia and Tajikistan.

Sure, if an European Union can exist, why can't a Turkic union that has more in common than EU countries. Just because Russia's project failed doesnt mean that Turkics will also fail per se. As long as Turkic leaders want it, I am confident that we can slowly go to that goal. If you noticed, recently (since 2002) it is the Turkic leaders like Nazarbayev, Aliyev and Atambajev who made the most pro-Turkic voices while our Erdogan (though he did some pro-Turkic things too) is mostly sleeping and dreaming about the ME. Instead he should mostly focus in Turkic world. If leaders like Nazarbayev, Aliyev and Atambajev will continue to exist, i think it is only a matter of time in the future till Turkic countries will slowly come together. First soft power, then economical co-op, then political and military, but last 2 are far away.

 

[vostok]

Sure, if an European Union can exist, why can't a Turkic union that has more in common than EU countries. Just because Russia's project failed doesnt mean that Turkics will also fail per se. As long as Turkic leaders want it, I am confident that we can slowly go to that goal. If you noticed, recently (since 2002) it is the Turkic leaders like Nazarbayev, Aliyev and Atambajev who made the most pro-Turkic voices while our Erdogan (though he did some pro-Turkic things too) is mostly sleeping and dreaming about the ME. Instead he should mostly focus in Turkic world. If leaders like Nazarbayev, Aliyev and Atambajev will continue to exist, i think it is only a matter of time in the future till Turkic countries will slowly come together. First soft power, then economical co-op, then political and military, but last 2 are far away.

This project is only possible with the active participation of Americans. If they see this as an opportunity to weaken Russia. By own forces you can create only Turkic language club and several successful business enterprises, which will work where they do not intersect with the interests of Russia.

 

[sahaliyan]

i do not worry about Chinese 'exporting' Han people into CA, that is just unrealistic Russian propaganda. I am more cautious of China using its leverage on CA like Russia does. Compared to Russia, China is a relative new player to CA, so i have more question marks about China than Russia, but that doesnt mean that China will only bring negative influence to the region. to be honest, i prefer Russia and China to get bad relationship due CA. More assertive China in CA should mean a disappointed Russia, so Turkic countries will have more options (for example, Turkmenistan was dependent on Russia for exporting natural resources to Europe, but now they have pipeline with China too) instead of relying only on Russia for various kind of reasons. There are already Chinese pipeline plans in CA and i think Russia is more negative about Chinese investments than positive.

The central Asian countries have their own choise,they can habe close relation to China,in the same time,develope friendly relations with Iran,Turkey,USA and Russia,we don't need the central Asian countries became our allies,all we want is a peaceful central asia,we can invest there,and we can have land toute to west asia,and the energy security of China,I don't think our interests in central asia harm their independence

 

[Charon 2]

Before the expansion of Indo-European languages, people stretching from Spain (Basque) to Japan in the northern belt were using similar system of languages. I dont know exact words regarding to linguistics, but i mean: prepositions, verb creations were/are added to the end of the words. Indo European expansion did cut the contact of those languages. Ural-Altaic languages contain many languages similar in system: from Hungarian, Finn to Turkic, Korean and Japan.

Japans are more related to Koreans or Mongols rather than to Chinese, imho.

Uralic and Altaic (still controversial) are not genetically related to each other. The theory was popular in the 19th- early 20th century but today the vast majority of linguists reject a common origin of Uralic and "Altaic"





Ural–Altaic, also Uralo-Altaic or Uraltaic, is an obsolete language-family proposal uniting the Uralic and Altaic languages.

Originally suggested in the 19th century, the hypothesis enjoyed wide acceptance among linguists into the mid 20th century. Since the 1960s, it has been controversial and rejected. From the 1990s, interest in a relationship between the Uralic and Altaic families has been revived in the context of the Eurasiatic hypothesis. Bomhard (2008) treats Uralic, Altaic and Indo-European as Eurasiatic daughter groups on equal footing.[1][/quote]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural–Altaic_languages

 

[vostok]

-Ukraine was in the process of joining EU, he might be close to Russia but I'm sure people didn't expected him to be turn his face to west and become a Russian lapdog, AKP government is closer to east, but they still keep their relationship with west strong, if they suddenly tried to cut their ties and lets say tried to ally themselves to some Arab countries they would also face strong dissatisfaction.

-Most of tension is caused by ethnic Russians, seemingly ethnic Ukrainians and other ethnic minorities are fine with new government, if overthrowers were not majority Yanukovych would not be overthrown in the first place, cry as much as you want thats the reality.

We're not going to cry. We're going to restore justice with arms in out hands, as free people, and to destroy power of the illegal junta, western puppets.

At the expense of the Maidan support by majority - it's funny. West made dozens coupes in many countries, where the positions of the West were not supported at all.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

Uralic and Altaic (still controversial) are not genetically related to each other. The theory was popular in the 19th- early 20th century but today the vast majority of linguists reject a common origin of Uralic and "Altaic"





Ural–Altaic, also Uralo-Altaic or Uraltaic, is an obsolete language-family proposal uniting the Uralic and Altaic languages.

Originally suggested in the 19th century, the hypothesis enjoyed wide acceptance among linguists into the mid 20th century. Since the 1960s, it has been controversial and rejected. From the 1990s, interest in a relationship between the Uralic and Altaic families has been revived in the context of the Eurasiatic hypothesis. Bomhard (2008) treats Uralic, Altaic and Indo-European as Eurasiatic daughter groups on equal footing.[1]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural–Altaic_languages[/quote]

Sondan eklemeli diller, hint avrupa dillerinin yayılmasından önce kuzey kuşağındaki dil sistemi idi. Belki M.Ö. 3000 yıllarında başlayan bu yayılma neticesinde gerek İspanya'da Basque ve İtalya'daki Etrüsk dilleri ile doğudaki Ural Altay dilleri arasındaki geçişkenlik koptu. Bir Bask ile bir Japonyn Aralarındaki genetik bağ, bir Hintli ile bir İsveçli arasındakinden farksız. Dil, ve genetik ayrı incelenmeli. Bugün pek çok Amerikan yerlisi ispanyolca konuşuyor, dil genetikten bağımsızdır.

In English, I was saying: about 3rd millenia BC, language belt between Spain to Japan was cut by Indo-European language family expansion.

 

[nvKyleBrown]

If you do not interfere in these countries with your anti-constitutional "orange revolutions", they would have long been a part of the Eurasian Union.

Dude, that's totally my point. Maybe they DON'T WANT TO BE THAT CLOSE TO RUSSIA!! It should be up to them, not automatic because they are unfortunate enough to live next door to modern imperialists. You seem to have real trouble with the idea of voluntary relationships - that Kazakhstan (or whoever) should be able to pick their own friends, including Europe and the US, and that they might not pick Russia due to feeling oppressed by them in the past. There is a reason they are a "breakaway" republic. They broke away. It was too close for them, and they moved away when they had the chance.

You know nothing about Ukraine <blah, blah, blah>

We all know they all broke away from Russia when they could. Do you have any sense of when you're not wanted?

 

[vostok]

Dude, that's totally my point.

You told me, a person living in Ukraine, what I want and what I do not? A handful of Western agents and bunch of idiots, who just do not have enough brains to understand that the West need them only as slaves, like some sort of white negroes, with the full support of the West made a coup. Now we have a civil war and thousands are killed. As in Syria, Libya, Iraq or wherever you got in your filthy paws.
We do not need your West and your pederastians values. That's why people took up arms to defend our land from you, greedy monsters.

 

[Charon 2]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ural–Altaic_languages

Sondan eklemeli diller, hint avrupa dillerinin yayılmasından önce kuzey kuşağındaki dil sistemi idi. Belki M.Ö. 3000 yıllarında başlayan bu yayılma neticesinde gerek İspanya'da Basque ve İtalya'daki Etrüsk dilleri ile doğudaki Ural Altay dilleri arasındaki geçişkenlik koptu. Bir Bask ile bir Japonyn Aralarındaki genetik bağ, bir Hintli ile bir İsveçli arasındakinden farksız. Dil, ve genetik ayrı incelenmeli. Bugün pek çok Amerikan yerlisi ispanyolca konuşuyor, dil genetikten bağımsızdır.

In English, I was saying: about 3rd millenia BC, language belt between Spain to Japan was cut by Indo-European language family expansion.[/quote]


The Etruscan language is not related to "Altaic" and Uralic languages. The Etruscan language is classified as language isolate by linguists


The Etruscan language /ɨˈtrʌskən/[3] was the spoken and written language of the Etruscan civilization, in Italy, in the ancient region of Etruria (modern Tuscany plus western Umbria and northernLatium) and in parts of Lombardy, Veneto, and Emilia-Romagna(where the Etruscans were displaced by Gauls). Etruscan influenced Latin, but was eventually completely superseded by it. Although it left only a few significant documents, and a few dozenloanwords, such as the name Roma (from Etruscan Ruma), its influence was significant.

Attested from 700 BC to AD 50, the language has historically been referred to as an isolate, but consensus now holds that it is one of the Tyrsenian languages[citation needed], along with the Raetic language of the Alps and the Lemnian language of the Aegean island of Lemnos. Lacking large corpora or extended texts, more distant relations of that family are unclear. A connection to theAnatolian languages, or at a further remove to Proto-Indo-European, has been suggested, while Russian scholars[who?] have suggested a link to the highly speculative Dené–Caucasianmacrophylum, which itself is not widely credited[citation needed].

Grammatically, the language is agglutinating, with nouns and verbs showing suffixed inflectional endings and ablaut in some cases. Nouns show four cases; singular and plural numbers, and masculine and feminine genders. Phonologically, Etruscan appears uncomplicated, with a four-vowel system and an apparent contrast between aspirated and unaspirated stops. The language shows phonetic change over time, with the loss and then re-establishment of word-internal vowels due to the effect of Etruscan's strong word-initial stress.


The Etruscan language has been difficult to analyze, due to its being an isolate. Bonfante, a leading scholar in the field, says "... it resembles no other language in Europe or elsewhere ...".[4] The ancients were aware that Etruscan was an isolate. In the first century BC, the Greek historian Dionysius of Halicarnassus stated that the Etruscan language was unlike any other.[9]

The phonology is known through the alternation of Greek and Etruscan letters in some inscriptions (for example, the Iguvine Tables), and many individual words are known through loans into or from Greek and Latin, as well as explanations of Etruscan words by ancient authors. A few concepts of word formation have been formulated (see below). Modern knowledge of the language is incomplete.