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Kaveri Engine Project update

What happened to Kaveri-Snecma engine as it would be the one top power future fighters even LCA. I don't think this is the same engine. Please correct me if I am wrong.
 
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DRDO official release
 
Price negotiations for JV for fighter engine in advanced stage

India’s Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) expects to close price negotiations in a month for a joint venture (JV) with French engine maker Snecma to develop gas turbine engines that would power the Indian Air Force’s light combat aircraft (LCA).The move to partner Snecma follows DRDO’s failure to develop sufficiently powerful engines on its own after spending Rs.2,880 crore over two decades on the project.

While Snecma will bring in critical technology for the hot engine core, DRDO’s Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) will work on the cold sections around it.

“GTRE will have 50% technology work-share and Snecma will have the other half. We will be closing price negotiations within a month,” said Prahlada, chief controller, research and development, DRDO, who goes by one name.

GTRE will obtain complete know-how and intellectual property rights for the engine, Prahlada added. After the closure and approval from the cabinet committee on security, work will begin in three months and the engine will be designed and built in four years, another GTRE official said, requesting anonymity.

The Kaveri engine, developed by GTRE, is undergoing trials in Russia and is nowhere near developing the level of thrust needed to power the LCA. The Kaveri has a thrust of around 65 kilo newton (kN), while 90 kN or more is required to power the LCA for optimal performance. The engine is also much heavier than specified. Nonetheless, some of the technologies and components developed for the Kaveri will be used in the JV.

Because of the delay in developing the Kaveri, India opted for American GE-404 engines. The current Mk-I LCAs are flying with the GE-404 IN20, although even these do not meet original requirement specifications for levels of thrust for the LCA. In October, DRDO selected the more powerful GE-414 as the alternative engine for LCA Mk-II.

Prahlada declined to reveal the estimated cost of the Snecma-GTRE project, but said the new engine will be comparable in pricing and performance to the GE-414. DRDO plans to replace the GE engines on the LCA Mk-I with the Snecma-GTRE engine. “We have plans to fit the engine on all platforms, including the proposed advanced medium combat aircraft and unmanned combat air vehicle,” Prahlada said.

Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd will manufacture the engines in India. Prahlada said the agreement is to make 100 engines in the first batch.

Ratan Shrivastava, director for aerospace and defence practice for South and West, Frost and Sullivan, said the project’s value lay in the fact that India will finally have a flying fighter engine of its own, albeit with a foreign partner.
 
With friend like Russia in hand...i dnt understand why it took a long time developing critical components for kaveri engine....thy could have had a joint venture with russia for developing those critical components.....anywayz though v r late v will get the latest in it.
 
I was under the impression that the deal was sealed and gtre is working with snecma on this engine. Its really sad, we all knew what is needed for our lca but still we are not able to set up the JVs for years. Same is the case with our aesa radar. Its really bad for our LCA project. Engine is fine because initial lca mk2 will use GE 414, so we can wait for engine, but we still face the problem of aesa.
 
Kaveri engine set for Indian combat plane

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Senior research officials in India say they are confident the indigenous, and delayed, Kaveri jet engine will power the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft.

The Kaveri has been under development for around 20 years by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment, a laboratory division of the government's Defense Research and Development Organization in Bangalore, India.

The GTRE has been working with other DRDO labs, academic institutions and industry partners. It also began working with French engine manufacturer Snecma, part of the Safran Group, in early 2008 to improve the Kaveri's performance.

Technical and bureaucratic delays have meant around $455 million has been spent on the engine, expected to be ready by 2017.

The hookup with Snecma has meant a likely boost in thrust that will make it suitable for the AMCA, a DRDO official told the Press Trust of India.

He said the engine has been able to produce 70-75 kilo newtons of thrust. However, Indian air force and other stakeholders are looking for 90-95 KN.

"I think with the joint venture Snecma in place now, we would be able to achieve these parameters in near future," he told PTI.

The 150 twin-engine Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft are expected to be in service beginning in 2020 and will complement the Tejas, a single-engine Light Combat Aircraft. The AMCA are to replace the air force's aging SEPECAT Jaguar and Dassault Mirage 2000 aircraft.

The Kaveri engine began development in 1986 and was designed originally for Tejas that first flew in January 2001. The Indian air force is likely to need 200 single-seat and 20 two-seat trainers. The Indian navy is said to want up to 40 single-seaters to replace its aging fleet of Sea Harrier FRS51 and Harrier T60.

The government's Aeronautical Development Agency, set up in Bangalore in 1984 to oversee development of the Tejas, also is leading on work for the AMCA.

General Electric's GE F404 engine has been powering prototype Tejas aircraft. Late last year the Ministry of Defense said until the Kaveri engine is ready, India will use the upgraded GE F414 engines for the first 100 Tejas aircraft, expected to be in service later this year.

The F414 units are an afterburning turbofan engine developed from the F404 turbofan for use in the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet.

In 2004, the Kaveri failed high-altitude tests in Russia, ending hopes of installing in it the first Tejas aircraft. But the engine passed a milestone in November when India used an Ilyushin Il-76 transport as a test bed flown at Russia's Gromov Flight Research Institute near Moscow.

The engine was tested from takeoff to landing and flew for more than an hour up to an altitude of 19,700 feet at a speed of Mach 0.6 in its maiden flight, a statement by India's defense ministry said at the time.

The pilot controlled the engine and a number of taxi trials were carried out before the flight. However, ministry didn't issue performance details, such as engine thrust, a problem with the engine in the past.

Up to 60 test flights are envisaged to bring it up to acceptable reliability, safety and airworthiness before putting it into a fighter aircraft.

Kaveri engine set for Indian combat plane
 
Kaveri Update In Parliament​

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India's Kaveri turbofan engine programme came up in Parliament today.

Here's what the House was told: "It is proposed to develop production version Kaveri (K10) engine on co-design & co-development basis with M/s Snecma, France. The technical evaluation for this proposal has been completed. Tender Purchase Committee (TPC) with members from DRDO, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Indian Air Force (IAF), Indian Navy (IN) and Integrated Finance (R&D) is negotiating the commercial aspects."

Livefist: Kaveri Update In Parliament
 
India can negotiate better "pricing" terms now with Snecma, after this news of successful 1-hour flight of Kaveri(made by GTRE) on Russian test-bed.

Good development and as expected Indian media has censored this huge milestone in aeroengine R&D. No wonder, GTRE who is behind making this a success, is still an evil for these idiots.
 
In video posted about Kaveri engine.. above by blue dot space
watch at 5:08,he tried to say Dhairya(Courage in English)..it's a Kannada word..i think some scientist working there was a bangalorean so he has taught him that word.... :)
 
In video posted about Kaveri engine.. above by blue dot space
watch at 5:08,he tried to say Dhairya(Courage in English)..it's a Kannada word..i think some scientist working there was a bangalorean so he has taught him that word.... :)

Dhairya is used in hindi too. Its a sanskrit word i guess. But I think he got it from Dharmendra movie.

Bollywood was quite popular amongst SU(soviet union) states before cold-war times and even today, you will find a million people in Central asia who knows Amitabh and bollywood songs.
 
Dhairya is Hindi/Sanskrit word. Possibly its mix of languages. In Hindi i guess correct word for it is Dhiraj while Dhairya could be kannad.
 
I am wondering how Russians tested their first cryogenic turbo-fan engine(when there was no flying test-bed)?

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Dhairya is Hindi/Sanskrit word. Possibly its mix of languages. In Hindi i guess correct word for it is Dhiraj while Dhairya could be kannad.

Dhiraj = patience.
Dhairya = courage.
 

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