Kashmiris get boost from Kosovo independence

[HAIDER]

SRINAGAR, occupied Kashmir, Feb 23 (AFP) - Separatists in occupied Kashmir said Saturday Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence has bolstered their resolve to achieve the same status for the disputed Himalayan territory. Kosovo's independence declaration has “strengthened our resolve to achieve freedom for Kashmir,” leading Kashmiri separatist Shabir Shah told AFP. Scores of countries including the United States and Britain have recognised Kosovo as a new state, but India said it was studying the legal ramifications. India is wary of recognising Kosovo as an independent state because of its possible ramifications for scenic Kashmir, which has been racked by a nearly two-decade-old revolt against New Delhi's rule. “Kosovo's independence is an indicator that struggles based on truth and justice never fail,” Shah said, adding that the day is not “far when Kashmiris will be free.” Shah, 54, who heads the pro-independence Democratic Freedom Party, is dubbed the “Nelson Mandela” of Kashmir after spending more than 20 years in Indian jails. Another separatist leader, Syed Ali Geelani, also said he was delighted by Kosovo's independence proclamation, saying the “creation of a Muslim state within the European heartland has strengthened our resolve to achieve our right to self-determination.” The insurgency in occupied Kashmir has left more than 43,000 people dead by official count. (Posted @ 16:30 PST)
- DAWN - Latest Stories; February 23, 2008

 

[Awesome]

AFP: Indian Kashmir separatists get boost from Kosovo independence

SRINAGAR, India (AFP) — Separatists in Indian Kashmir said Saturday that Kosovo's unilateral declaration of independence has bolstered their resolve to achieve the same status for the disputed Himalayan territory.

Kosovo last Sunday declared independence from Serbia, which vowed never to recognise the move.

Kosovo's independence declaration has "strengthened our resolve to achieve freedom for Kashmir," leading Kashmiri separatist Shabir Shah told AFP.

Several countries including the United States and Britain have recognised Kosovo as a new state, but India said it was studying the legal ramifications.

India is wary of recognising Kosovo as an independent state because of its potential implications for Kashmir, racked by a nearly two-decade revolt against New Delhi's rule that has left more than 43,000 people dead.

Nuclear-armed rivals India and Pakistan, which have fought two wars for control of the Muslim-majority region, each hold part of the territory but claim it in full.

"Kosovo's independence is an indicator that struggles based on truth and justice never fail," Shah said, adding the day is not "far when Kashmiris will be free."

Shah, 54, who heads the pro-independence Democratic Freedom Party, is dubbed the "Nelson Mandela" of Kashmir after spending more than 20 years in Indian jails.

"The world community, the European Union in particular, should play a Kosovo-like role in getting the dispute resolved" in Kashmir, added Yasin Malik, chairman of pro-Independence Jammu Kashmir Liberation Front.

Both Malik and Shah want India and Pakistan to withdraw from Kashmir to pave the way for its independence.

So far, 23 of the 27 European Union member states back Kosovo's independence, either formally recognising it or declaring their intention to do so.

Kosovo has been administered by the United Nations since 1999 after NATO bombed Belgrade to end a Serbian crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatists, but it remained technically part of Serbia.

 

[Bushroda]

pragmatically unfeasible atleast in the current circumstances.

 

[solid snake]

Let us imagine for a second that these leaders manage to somewhow gain independence from India. In that situation would Pakistan be willing to give up control of it's part of Kashmir, considering the fact that our border with China would be gone? Not to mention the new country of Kashmir would control our rivers.

Independent Kashmir is impossible. It has to stay the way it is or they can join Pakistan, but they can't be independent.

 

[peshawar]

man they are dreaming the way hings are going and the way things have been going kashmir wil not be free
occupied kashmir wil only get free the way azad kashmir did

 

[haviZsultan]

Let us imagine for a second that these leaders manage to somewhow gain independence from India. In that situation would Pakistan be willing to give up control of it's part of Kashmir, considering the fact that our border with China would be gone? Not to mention the new country of Kashmir would control our rivers.

Independent Kashmir is impossible. It has to stay the way it is or they can join Pakistan, but they can't be independent.

Well considering the fact that the people in Azad Kashmir have accepted Pakistani rule, r not mistreated & see themselves as Pakistanis there is no point in giving the area of azad kashmir away.

It was clear that even in 48 more kashmiris wanted to be part of pakistan rather than remain independent. Only reason it is impossible in Indian Occupied Kashmir is because Indian propaganda has played a major role in directing Kashmiris in India away from Pakistan and creating a sort of fear that ISI agents and terrorists will come. But sadly Pakistan is their only hope to gain freedom cauz indians won't free them and all kashmiris know this. Kashmir can become a reality in indian occupied kashmir cauz most people in azad kashmir hav intergrated themselves as pakistanis. Many shift even f4m india and get pakistani passport but usually thats only after they lose a loved one due to indian opression and mistreatment

It shud all be based on the wishes of Kashmiris b8 Pakistan is willing to give up the area if kashmiris of azad kashmir want. Kashmir is n8 our **** dada ki jagir it is of the kashmiri people. If kashmiris of Azad kashmir want freedom f4 azad kashmir as well (which they don't) then so be it b8 Azad kashmiris shud decide f4 azad kashmir and indian kashmiris will decide f4 IOK bcauz treatment has been different in the 2 regions & kashmiris on 2 sides hav lived 2tally different lives. In india they r oppressed & in Pakistan integrated as Pakistanis slowly with time

 

[haviZsultan]

man they are dreaming the way hings are going and the way things have been going kashmir wil not be free
occupied kashmir wil only get free the way azad kashmir did

Exactly but kashmiris of india don't realize that cauz indian propaganda has screwed them up. My freinds who shifted f4m kashmir tell me that everyday theres an article about pakistani sponsored terrorism and ISI agents in kashmir and pakistani terrorists in india so that Pakistan can take over kashmir. It has a major imprint on the indian kashmiris mind.

It makes them afraid of us & see us as potential enemies. Its very sad that kashmiris have fallen into the trap and r fearful of the very people who want to and have the power to help them. We want nothing but the same as what kashmiris want, A free Kashmir! Pakistan does not want IOK Kashmir to be a part of Pakistan against the kashmiris will.

Thats the thing whenever we Pakistanis have stood beside our muslim brothers and tried to help them we r the ones who have suffered for it and yet we r the ones seen as enemies. Same case with the kashmiris is with the afghans. We helped taliban kick the soviets out so that they would be free men today. We were also spending 1/3-1/5 of our gdp on afghan refugees at the time. We thought that this day afghans would see us as brothers for it. How were we to know taliban were retards with chaotic mindset? Today many afghans despise us and have ideas about pashtoonistan & do whatever it takes to break us. Now when we don't help our muslim brothers we r seen as UnIslamic.

 

[trueindian]

India is not serbia .Full world couldnt harm a weak india in 1950/60's once india was neither with USA or Soviets and pakistan was married to USA .

And in 2008,full world is afraid of islamic terrorism.

1)SUdan(Darfur).
2)Kashmir
3)Chechanya
4)Ugyur(Xiaxing,china)
5)Maldive(recent bombing by group of extremist)
6)Indonesia
7)Taliwan(Pakistan and afganistan)


kosovo was already under EU and there was no cross border terrorism in kosovo like kashmir.



lastly world doesn want to create a land locked state full of muslims and independent kashmir has no resources ,it will become next afganistan

well indians know ,how independent ajad kashmir is ?

The primeminister is a puppet.

india is waiting for right time.If BJP comes ,then they should dissolve article 370.

1)Allow indians to settle down in kashmir.we will send biharis to kashmir.

2)Kashmir will be completely linked by railways by 2008-09

3)Indian govt is spending 2-3 billion $ on dvelopment.BUt the problem s with our kahsmiri politicians .There is no accountancy and GOI doesnt meddle much into wrking of kahsmir .
so politicians are very corrupt in kashmir.


4)OIC is too afraid with india and iSrael and they dont want to worsen their affairs with india.so i doubt they can even say a word on kashmir. and full world endorsed kashmir as cross border terrorism which was accepted by Musharraf,Nawaz,Bhutoo and later you ex ISI generals (Baig)

5)10 lak kashmiri hindus were thrown out of kashmir.10000 hindus were killed in 2 years.

indian army kills only terrorists .and most of them are foreigners

6)I think you all are intervening into india internal land.kashmir is integral part of india.

and its in our constitution.so no nation can dare to piss us off.


Right now indians are more focussed on development.Indians really admire chinese policy .
1)Butter west ,Be friendly to everyone(America)
2)Get FDI
3)Make USA too dependent on your country
4)build up huge Forex
5)And Side by side get the USAtechnology once $ is low(like chinese did by buying USA space tech in clintons time).Be friendly wit russia,china and pakistan
6)Be defensive with neighbours and interlink all the economy(Throw some money on corrupt bangladeshi/nepali.we are already giving them free passage to 5000 goods),India is investing aggressively in srilanka and bhutan.Bangladesh and nepal politics is more of india bashing and they are 2 corrupt people.pakistan might be losing out by restricting FDI from india or by not doing business with india once SOuth east asia is getting linked with indian economy.
7)BUt now with change in polity of pakistan.SHarif has many industries and so has Zardari.so they wont like pakistan to be left behind .As china is only flusing goods into pakistan, and pakistan is not getting much benefit from china apart from little FDI.Its 2 diff 2 do business with china.But pakistan is 2 confident about doing business with india.

7)indians will play a major role in moderating pakistan.Bollywood and indian entertainment industry have penetrated deep into pakistan.and at presnt kashmir is jst kashmir day used for vote bank politics.once we go deep in business,i doubt pakistan will try to intervene 2 much .its simple economics.

And in 10 years ,there will be no kashmir problem .India-pakistan gap is increasing every year.so after 10 years dont expect that india will give an inch to pakistan.

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

you know this isn't bharat-rakshak, right?

 

[MIG_ACE]

I find it humorous when Pakistanis seek to promote Kashmir's Independence. You guys yourself occupy half of it for god's sake!

 

[asaad-ul-islam]

half of it? you're joking, right?

 

[trueindian]

They have 1/3rd of it and they gifted 1/4 of it to china.


and they talk about indian kashmir,

Jmmu and laddhakh(kargil) is about 1/3
and kashmir valley with india is about 1/3
Indians are good listeners .pakistan politics was only based on kashmir.

But Now they have no1 to listen to them.

 

[Spring Onion]

Indians are good listeners .pakistan politics was only based on kashmir.

But Now they have no1 to listen to them.

Indians are good lies and fake drams here it is how they want to make the world believe and listen .

I am posting the article by and Indian with all his views without edditing
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These murders take their toll on Kashmiri tolerance


Pankaj Mishra: how can the region's Muslims ever trust the Indian government?

Monday July 22, 2002
The Guardian

On March 20 2000, a few hours before Bill Clinton arrived on his first official visit to India, unidentified gunmen wearing Indian army fatigues shot dead 35 Sikh civilians in the Kashmiri village of Chitti-singhpura.

The Hindu nationalists who dominate India's central government blamed Pakistan-based Muslim militants. A day after Clinton's departure, the Indian government announced that the Pakistani murderers of the Sikhs had been killed in a military operation in a remote hilly village of Kashmir called Panchalthan. The next day, the Indian newspapers carried black and white photographs issued by the government of the partially charred bodies in Indian army fatigues.


The Pakistanis were quickly buried; so it seemed was the whole matter. But a few days later some Kashmiri villagers discovered, near the graves of the five alleged terrorists, the personal effects of several of their relatives who had been kidnapped from their homes soon after the killing of the Sikhs. Their demand that the corpses be exhumed and identified was initially rejected by Farooq Abdullah, the chief minister of India-ruled Kashmir, and an ally of the Hindu nationalists. Protests and demonstrations erupted in the region. Abdullah finally ordered a public exhuming after the police fired upon and killed nine people in a procession of Kashmiri villagers walking to a government office to press their demands.
The faces on the exhumed corpses were found badly mutilated. But the local villagers had little trouble in identifying them. At that moment it seemed clear that Indian security officials had kidnapped and killed five Kashmiri civilians. But Dr Abdullah refused to charge anyone with murder until DNA samples taken from the dead men were matched with those of their supposed relatives.

The turnover of atrocities is brisk in Kashmir. The DNA tests seemed to have been forgotten until March this year, when the Times of India, India's leading newspaper, revealed their results. Apparently, the results had been officially sent to Kashmir the year before by a laboratory in Hyderabad but were sup-pressed by the local government, because they exposed a clumsy attempt by Indian officials to fudge the samples taken from the relatives of the five murdered men.

This dismal story of state violence and deception is by no means unusual in Kashmir. Two weeks ago, a report in the Indian Express described how three so-called "militant infiltrators" who had been killed at the Kashmir border by Indian soldiers were local civilians. Such accounts show that while it is important for General Musharraf to end all Pakistani sponsorship of violence in India, the Hindu nationalist government of India has to do a lot more to earn the trust of the majority of Muslims who live in the valley of Kashmir.

India can draw some comfort from the fact that most Kashmiri Muslims distrust Pakistan no less than they dislike the hundreds of thousands of Indian soldiers who make the valley of Kashmir the most heavily militarised place in the world. Kashmiris cherish the traditionally distinct cultural identity of the valley, where folk Hinduism has long mingled with Sufi Islam. Mahatma Gandhi, during the bloody partition of India in 1947, had praised Kashmiris for holding on to their tradition of tolerant multiculturalism: a tradition only recently undermined by the modern nationalist ideologies of India and Pakistan.

In both 1948 and 1965, Pakistani adventurers failed to incite Kashmiri Muslims into an anti-India rebellion. It was in the late 1980s and early 90s that the underreported brutalities of Indian rule and the lack of international sympathy made many Kashmiri Muslims look to Pakistan for succour. Islamist army officers in Pakistan provided money, arms and training to young Kashmiri men. Ordinary Kashmiris offered shelter and sympathy to Pakistan-backed militants. Tens of thousands of Muslim mourners once attended the funerals in Kashmir of Pakistani militants killed by Indian security forces. Few Kashmiris could have known then that they were being enlisted into a Pakistani Islamist fantasy of wresting Kashmir from India and seizing power in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Kashmiri Muslims grew wary of Pakistan once Pakistani militants who wished to co-opt Kashmir into Pakistan began to steadily sideline, even kill, Kashmiris fighting for a state independent of both India and Pakistan. Kashmiris also resented the restrictions on women, among other fundamentalist ideas, that many of the Pakistani militants tried to impose by fatwa upon them.

They would probably be very happy to be free of the fanatics from Pakistan. But they are unlikely to give up their own, overwhelmingly indigenous, struggle against Indian rule. It is not clear how the Hindu nationalists will respond. A few weeks ago, they saw their shrewdly calibrated threat of attacking Pakistan work very well. Not many people in India believed that they would go to war. Their rhetoric was largely aimed at western governments; and it was in line with the new doctrine underpinning the ongoing "war on terrorism": that nations or governments that encourage or harbour terrorists invite violent retaliation.

The US and the EU forced Musharraf to act to prevent infiltration of militants across the border with India. But there are reportedly already more than 2,500 militants in the valley of Kashmir. The killing last week of 27 civilians in Jammu shows that violence in Kashmir won't cease any time soon. And Musharraf now looks increasingly vulnerable to the Islamists who see him as an agent of Amer ica; and doubts about his ability to control militant groups in Pakistan have grown.

In any case, the Indian government has to show that it is interested in doing more about peace in Kashmir than just isolating or destabilising Pakistan. Apart from scaling back its military build-up on the border and within the valley, it has to open a dialogue not just with Pakistan but also with the alienated majority of Kashmiri Muslims. Otherwise, the elections planned in Kashmir in October will seem staged for the benefit of western audiences.

However, winning over Kashmiri Muslims doesn't seem a high priority for the Hindu nationalists who have long expressed a frank ideological animosity towards Muslims and Islam in general - something underlined in the Human Rights Watch report on the government-assisted massacre in March this year of over 1,000 Muslims in the western Indian state of Gujarat.

The question raised most often during the weeks of hectic western diplomacy, when a catastrophic war in south Asia seemed imminent, was whether India can trust Pakistan, or vice versa. Perhaps, not. But the bigger question is how can Kashmiri Muslims learn to trust a government which often seems to hold on to their land only through brute military force - a question that, war or no war, the Hindu nationalists will have to answer persuasively.

Pankaj Mishra is the author of The Romantics (Picador).

Pankaj Mishra: these murders take their toll on Kashmiri tolerance | World news | The Guardian

 

[trueindian]

heheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee



i justify killing 35 indians if we could mve the world opinion at that time.

USA was pro pakistan and we were facing the wrath of cold war...




1)ISI had intruded Kashmir and kashmir was out of our control that time.

2)Kargil helped india.India knowlingly let pakistan intrude and then we got the world sympathy

3)This was necessary."kuch bada pane ke liye kuch khona bi padta hai"

4)RAW is now on equal footing with ISI.Do u know that ISI was behind mumbai bomb blast

and ISI (As it was difficult to intrude into kashmir for terrorists),so they started using Bngladesh,nepal(both country in political turmoil,keep fighting among themselves).

Mumbai train blast was aided by ISI

5)So India RAW did the samjhauta train blast.


Its all TIT for TAT


WE cant keep defending and sacrifice.

Its practical to be offensive.

RAW can play the same ball with ISI..

Now ISI was behind Hyderabad blast with HUJI.


BUt RAW doesnt need to do anything ,once Taliban is already in party in pakistan

 

[Karma]

Jana, lets forget that who is good at propaganda. If you are really interested in the Kashmiri's freedom, who stops you from making the Azad Kashmir a fully independent state? Make it a independent state and come here to preach about Kashmiri's freedom.