Kashmir: What is India Hiding From UN Human Rights Team?

[Kaniska]

Pro-India #Kashmiri #Muslim Lawmaker Quits #India's Parliament to express his anger over #Modi's "brutal policy"

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/09/15/world/asia/ap-as-kashmir-protests.html?ref=asia&_r=1

SRINAGAR, India — A prominent pro-India Kashmiri politician resigned Thursday from India's Parliament and from his regional party to protest a government crackdown in Kashmir that prevented people from offering Eid prayers for the first time in the troubled region.

Tariq Hameed Karra, a founding member of the People's Democratic Party, said he quit to express his anger over the "brutal policy'" followed by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's government and the acquiescence of his party, a coalition partner.

His decision is a setback for his party in Indian-controlled Kashmir, which has been wracked by massive protests for the past two months following the killing of a popular rebel leader. More than 80 people have been killed and thousands wounded, mostly by government forces firing bullets and shotgun pellets to quell the protests.

Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan and claimed by both. Most Kashmiris want an end to Indian rule and favor independence or a merger with Pakistan.

With the entire Kashmir Valley under a strict curfew, most people stayed indoors for the Islamic festival of Eid al-Adha on Tuesday. Usually bustling on the holiday, places of worship and marketplaces were deserted.

"For the first time in history, the people of Kashmir were not allowed to offer Eid prayers. Certain shrines and even the Grand Mosque were locked," Karra told reporters Thursday in Srinagar, the main city in the region.

"Kashmiri blood is being spilled on the walls, lanes and drains of the valley,'" he said.

He accused the Indian government of brutality and insensitivity toward Kashmir.

Separatist leaders have repeatedly urged police officers and politicians during the current unrest "to disengage from the Indian state.'"

Early this month, protesters set fire to the house of Nazir Laway, a local lawmaker in south Kashmir.

The governing People's Democratic Party is now left with two lawmakers in India's Parliament representing the region.

It emerged in the early 2000s as the strongest opponent to the National Conference, a regional rival which is now an opposition party, using pro-separatist views for electoral gains. It first came to power in Kashmir in 2002 and assumed power for a second time in 2015 in coalition with Modi's Bharatiya Janata Party after failing to win enough seats to form a government on its own.

"Though I was all along feeling suffocated" by his party's alliance with Modi's party, "my conscience was shaken during the last two months," Karra said.

Trust me, I fully support the law maker who quit it. The reason is simple. He is resigning because he feels that he is not comfortable with BJP PDP alliance. This is perfectly fine...India allows opposite views within our political spectrum to be expressed within the ambit of our constitution...So what is wrong with that? At least, he is not throwing stones at the police...I am with all the people of Kashmir, who follows his path and make a protest against the Gov withing political framework of India..

The popule wation of India is irrelevant. The wishes of Kashmir are, just continuously putting down protests isnt going to solve the problem.

If that is the case, then Tibet, Chechnia and many other examples are there where people do not like to be with the Gov, but still then those states are within the parent country....

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

If that is the case, then Tibet, Chechnia and many other examples are there where people do not like to be with the Gov, but still then those states are within the parent country....

And wala! You have the sole reason some protests are offered support while others are allow to falter under boots.

But desires for freedom aren't forgotten in any of those states.

 

[Kaniska]

And wala! You have the sole reason some protests are offered support while others are allow to falter under boots.

But desires for freedom aren't forgotten in any of those states.

I agree....I am all of providing a free and peaceful enviroment to all people in South Asia..Let Tibetian people first gets independence and then we can definitely think about Kashmir...

 

[ito]

It is not the question of not allowing UN human right team. It is the question of sovereignty. UNHR are not elected representatives of people of India, hence they cannot demand access to Kashmir. Even Nepal rejected their request for a access once.

@Thəorətic Muslim India cannot start giving freedoms wherever insurgencies start or are already occurring. There are many places in India where such insurgencies are taking places in India.

If Pakistan is really interested in Kashmiris, it instead need to look after the welfare of Kashmiris rather than provoke Kashmiris and do proxy wars with India. In the end, Pakistan will be the looser given its size, resources and inherent contradictions on various issues. India will take advantage of those fault lines. I already see CPEC has causality of India - Pakistan proxy wars.

 

[gslv mk3]

If you care so much about what the international community says, how about letting UN Human Rights Team in to see it for themselves? What are you hiding?

What does what I said have to do with a Jordanian muslim playing victim card ?

 

[RiazHaq]

#India's Maoists insurgents world's 4th deadliest #terror outfit after #Taliban, #ISIS, #BokoHaram http://toi.in/cgunFY via @timesofindia

The world witnessed 11,774 terror attacks in 2015, in which 28,328 people were killed and 35,320 injured. India was the fourth worst-affected country after Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan, with 43% of 791 attacks in the country carried out by Naxalites+ . A total of 289 Indians died in terror strikes.
Data collected by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism contracted with the US state department revealed that Taliban, Islamic State and Boko Haram were the three deadliest terror groups globally. They were followed by CPI(Maoist), a banned outfit.
The CPI(Maoist) was responsible for 343 terror attacks in 2015, killing 176 people. Taliban were involved in 1,093 strikes in which 4,512 people lost their lives, IS launched 931 attacks which claimed the lives of 6,050 people and Boko Haram was involved in 491 attacks killing 5,450 people. Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which rounded off the top five in the list, was involved in 238 strikes, killing 287.

Over half the terror attacks in India took place in four states - Chhattisgarh (21%), Manipur (12%), J&K (11%) and Jharkhand+ (10%). Chhattisgarh, which has been hit hard by Left-wing extremism, reported a doubling of terror attacks in 2015 - from 76 in 2014 to 167.
The report said there was great diversity in the perpetrators/terrorist groups involved in attacks in the country, with 45 outfits active across the country. The Naxals alone accounted for 43% of terrorist attacks in India last year. The report said the number of people kidnapped/taken hostage by terrorists and insurgent groups in India almost tripled in 2015, increasing to 862 from 305 in 2014. Of this, Naxals alone kidnapped/took hostage 707 persons last year compared with 163 in 2014. In 2014, there were no attacks in which 50 or more people were kidnapped or taken hostage while in 2015, there were seven such attacks, all of them attributed to Maoists.

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

@Thəorətic Muslim India cannot start giving freedoms wherever insurgencies start or are already occurring. There are many places in India where such insurgencies are taking places in India.

No, if insurgencies = independence there would be a lot more than 1000 countries in the world.

The question isn't insurgency but the reactions to genuine grievances. Kashmir isn't Gujarat, Hyderabad or Goa.

You're seeing the Kashmiri "leaders" who the State has lavished continue to fan flames, without working for change. Shop-keepers or street sweepers aren't going to create a new a country but an educated population can.

Kashmiri leaders are the same as the Baloch Chiefs India is parading around, greedy selfish di<ks living the life of luxury in London, Switzerland, or NYC. Pretending to give a damn about their uneducated tribe when in reality it's about their share of the natural resources on their land.

Until and unless Kashmiris feel that they belong to India there will always be the necessity of 700k para and military troops. There's a reason why Scotland decided to vote 'No', they knew the power a United Kingdom provided.

This isn't just for Kashmir but the Maos in central India, Tibetans in China, Chechens,

India is experiencing an economic take-off, in the every early stage economic launch the inequality gap only widens, India needs to develop an ideology similar to the "American dream". That isn't exclusive to Hindus but the various religions and ethnicities that reside

 

[RiazHaq]

Top Congress leader: If #India is to make Jammu & #Kashmir love India, referendum is the only way http://indianexpress.com/article/op...d Kashmir-atal-bihari-vajpayee-india-2945138/ … via @IndianExpress

There is celebration in heaven when a single sinner repents. In Indian Parliament, there is little freedom for back benchers to speak their own mind. Yet P Chidambaram has boldly spoken the unspeakable about Kashmir. He is the first ranking member of any of the political parties to say openly that India (that is all except J&K) has reneged on the bargain the Kashmiris were promised. He was shot down for this by Ghulam Nabi Azad as not reflecting Congress policy. That alone guarantees that he was telling an unpalatable truth to his own party.
What was the bargain?
There were two steps for princely states to join the Indian Union. First was accession and then came integration. In Junagarh and Hyderabad, a popular vote cemented integration. Kashmir was also promised such a popular vote but it never happened because of the war and the ceasefire policed by the UN. Any plebiscite became impossible as both parts of J&K could not be got together. Sheikh Abdullah was put under house arrest for 11 years without trial for arguing for plebiscite.
Elections were then rigged and a pliable leadership found to do Delhi’s bidding. The entire issue of popular consultation was forgotten. Article 370 remained in the Constitution but the state lost its autonomy as defined therein. The mantra became Kashmir is an integral part of India, proof of its secularism.
The Congress failed in the 50 years after Independence to win over the minds and hearts of the people of the Valley. The reconciliation process began with Atal Bihari Vajpayee. The issue involves three parties — India, Pakistan and J&K (plus Azad Kashmir?). The solution has to be sought in a two-pronged fashion — India and Pakistan and India and J&K. It is when the small number of separatists try to join up the third side — Pakistan and J&K — that India sees red. The fear of the third connection has restricted and distorted India’s efforts to win the love of the Kashmiris.
Islamist terrorism began to infiltrate in the late Eighties and has been a nagging presence ever since. Each time someone falls victim to police or Army bullet, there is a funeral procession where young people shout ‘azadi’, which leads to more deaths. Azadi is a shout not for independence from India, but for autonomy, for the status quo ante, when the head of the government was called prime minister (as were all chief ministers of provinces before 1947) and the head of the state, Sadar-i-Riyasat.
Chidambaram has now broken the silence about the original bargain. Of course, he will be criticised.
But as a former home minister as well as a member of the Cabinet in several governments, he is well aware of all the issues. There is a bold way out. That is to conduct a referendum where all the citizens of J&K have a vote, as would have happened if the maharaja had acceded in good time before the invasion from Pakistan. Ask them if they want to be integrated in the Union or be autonomous. The latter is not the same as independence but what they had between 1947 and 1953, with Article 370 restored effectively.
If India is to make J&K love India, this is the only way.

 

[RiazHaq]

بلوچستان کا کشمیر سے کوئی موازنہ نہیں: عاصمہ جہانگیر Asma Jahangir: No comparison between #Kashmir and #Balochistan
http://www.bbc.com/urdu/pakistan/2016/09/160916_asma_interivew_fz

پاکستان میں انسانی حقوق کی سرگرم رکن اور معروف وکیل عاصمہ جہانگیر نے کہا کہ بھارت اور پاکستان کی سول سوسائیٹز نے مشترکہ طور پر اس بات کو تسلیم کیا ہے کہ بھارت کے زیرِ انتظام کشمیر میں جو بربریت ہو رہی ہے وہ یکطرفہ اور بلا جواز ہے۔
بی بی سی اردو سروس کے ریڈیو پروگرام سیربین میں بات کرتے ہوئے عاصمہ جہانگیر نے کہا کہ وہ اس بات پر بھی متفق ہے کہ کشمیر میں حالیہ عوامی احتجاج میں کسی دوسرے ملک کی شدت پسندی کا ہاتھ نہیں ہے۔
بلوچستان کے بارے میں ایک سوال پر انھوں نے کہا کہ بھارت کے زیر انتظام کشمیر اور بلوچستان کا موازنہ نہیں کیا جا سکتا اور بلوچستان میں انسانی حقوق کی صورت حال اتنی تشویش ناک نہیں جتنی بھارت کے زیر انتظام کشمیر میں ہے۔
انھوں نے کہا کہ بھارت کے زیرِ انتظام کشمیر میں ’شوٹ ٹو کل‘ یعنی دیکھتے ہی گولی مار دینے کی پالیسی جاری ہے جب کہ بلوچستان میں ایسا نہیں ہے۔ عاصمہ جہانگیر نے کہا کہ بلوچستان میں انسانی حقوق کی خلاف ورزیوں کی نوعیت اور ہے۔
انھوں نے کہا کہ اس کے علاوہ بلوچستان پاکستان کا حصہ ہے جبکہ کشمیر کی نوعیت بالکل مختلف ہے اور کشمیر کے تمام حصے متنازع ہیں۔
ایک سوال کا جواب دیتے ہوئے انھوں نے کہا کہ پاکستان اور بھارت میں انسانی حقوق پر یقین رکھنے والے اور انسانی حقوق کی پامالیوں کی مذمت کرنے والے کارکنوں کو مشترکہ طور پر اس بات پر زور دینا ہوگا کہ کشمیر سے فوجوں کا انخلاءہو۔
کشمیر کے علاوہ انھوں نے کہا کہ سیاچین سے فوجیوں کو بھی واپس بلانا چاہیے۔ ان کے مطابق سیاچین میں فوجیوں کی تعینات غیر انسانی اور غیر منطقی ہے۔
کشمیر کے مسئلہ پر ایک اور سوال کا جواب دیتے ہوئے انھوں نے کہا کہ یہ مسئلہ دونوں حکومتوں کا بھی مسئلہ ہے اور بجائے اس کے دونوں ملکوں کے لوگوں کو دور کیا جائے دونوں ملکوں کو قریب لا کر اس مسئلہ کا حل نکالنا ہو گا۔
بین الاقوامی انسانی حقوق کی تنظیموں سے رابطے کے متعلق ایک سوال پر انھوں نے کہا کہ وہ بین الاقوامی تنظیموں سے مسلسل رابطے میں ہیں یہ ان کا روز مرہ کا کام ہے ۔انھوں نے کہا کہ ان رابطوں کا اثر بھی سامنے آیا ہے۔
بھارت کی سول سوسائٹی سے متعلق ایک اور سوال پر انھوں نے کہا کہ بھارتی سول سوسائٹی کشمیر کے بارے میں پوری طرح آگاہ ہے اور ان کا ردعمل بہت حوصلہ افزا تھا۔

 

[RiazHaq]

#India needs cool heads after #Kashmir attack but #Modi is a prisoner of his own bluster. #Pakistan #UriAttacks

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-37405064

the crucial - and more serious - question is whether India has the capability and intelligence to carry out targeted strikes or wage a limited war inside Pakistani territory.
Most experts say that successive governments don't appear to have built these capabilities. There is media chatter on why the air force should carry out surgical air strikes inside Pakistan, but many experts believe it would not be easy as Pakistan has robust air defence systems. There are even doubts whether India has built capabilities for unconventional deterrence.
The problem with Mr Modi's government, according to defence analyst Ajai Shukla, is that it has "escalated the rhetoric [against Pakistan] but has not created military capabilities and planning structure to respond in a more forceful manner [against terror attacks] than the previous government".

Now the government appears to have become a prisoner of its own bluster. "The danger of being trapped in your own rhetoric is that you can be forced into an aggressive response and then be ill-quipped to handle the escalation," says Mr Shukla.
So is India's tradition of so-called "strategic restraint" against Pakistan the only answer?
For one, the jury is out whether the policy has worked or not. There are no easy answers.
Pratap Bhanu Mehta of Delhi's leading Centre for Policy Research think tank says strategic restraint has served India quite well. "Pakistan will be isolated, except for China, and we should call for financial sanctions," he says. Also, he believes Sunday's attack will put Pakistan on the spot and let the pressure off Kashmir at the UN General Assembly meeting this week.
"We have actually boxed ourselves into a bit of corner by our public discourse, where the clamour to do something reckless is now great. Otherwise we are winning the long-term battle," says Professor Mehta.
Cold logic
Others like C Christine Fair, defence expert and author of Fight to the End, a scholarly account of Pakistan's army, differ. "If the objective is to deter Pakistan to stop pursuing terror against India it hasn't served the purpose. Does the international community feel any more compelled to take India's side because of its strategic response? Not really," she says.
Others feel that "strategic restraint" masks a morbidly cold logic that India, a country of more than a billion people with one of the largest standing armies in the world, can absorb the deaths of soldiers in terror attacks without any major political upheaval. "India is growing economically, Pakistan is not. So we can sacrifice a couple of hundred people in attacks, without risking a war. That's what the thinking behind strategic restraint is, which nobody really talks about," says an expert.

 

[Gibbs]

No, if insurgencies = independence there would be a lot more than 1000 countries in the world.

The question isn't insurgency but the reactions to genuine grievances. Kashmir isn't Gujarat, Hyderabad or Goa.

You're seeing the Kashmiri "leaders" who the State has lavished continue to fan flames, without working for change. Shop-keepers or street sweepers aren't going to create a new a country but an educated population can.

Kashmiri leaders are the same as the Baloch Chiefs India is parading around, greedy selfish di<ks living the life of luxury in London, Switzerland, or NYC. Pretending to give a damn about their uneducated tribe when in reality it's about their share of the natural resources on their land.

Until and unless Kashmiris feel that they belong to India there will always be the necessity of 700k para and military troops. There's a reason why Scotland decided to vote 'No', they knew the power a United Kingdom provided.

This isn't just for Kashmir but the Maos in central India, Tibetans in China, Chechens,

India is experiencing an economic take-off, in the every early stage economic launch the inequality gap only widens, India needs to develop an ideology similar to the "American dream". That isn't exclusive to Hindus but the various religions and ethnicities that reside

One of the most sensible posts i have read for a while now, And as you rightly mentioned this is true to all nations that gabbles with secessionist movements of various degree's.. It's all about the ruling classes and their greed for power than the actual masses that struggle on the street's

Pity i dont have the credentials to give this post positive ratings.. It certainly deserves many

 

[Asian.Century]

 

[Thəorətic Muslim]

One of the most sensible posts i have read for a while now, And as you rightly mentioned this is true to all nations that gabbles with secessionist movements of various degree's.. It's all about the ruling classes and their greed for power than the actual masses that struggle on the street's

Appreciated.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter".

This is a dangerous exposition, the deflection of failed policies, be economic/communal/political, towards a selected "baba yaga" spread a dangerous cloud of ignorance for the uneducated masses.

You live in Australia, when you get a chance of redirecting your efforts of not getting killed by nature, take a look at Indians & Pakistanis living in your city. Most of the them, I guarantee, don't give a shit about politics in India/Pakistan, they've recognized the failed policies over blind nationalism.

http://carecon.org.uk/DPs/0708.pdf Page 19.

 

[Jaam92]

This is what Indian Army Doing in JK since independence of Pakistan and India

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=996083370503847