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Kashmir reeling from worst violence since 2010 as 30 killed

I'm not going to recite a poem for you. There is difference between a protest and riot on a murder spree, they lost their cause the moment they broke the very rights they ruffled up for .

These villagers are free to leave the country if they are unhappy , Kashmir is as much a part of them as any other indian .

Kashmir is for Kashmiris

We didn't want to live with hindus so india Partitioned, Kashmir a muslim majority state didnt want to live with hindus either but india forced a portion under its control

After a decade or two Pakistan and india could have healed the wounds of partition and c9me together for a powerful south asia

India created eternal emnity and division in South Asia

Free kashmir and free Kashmiris
 
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There is no way to hold a partial referendum. That will perpetuate for eternity the ethnic cleansing of the Kashmiri Pandits.

There is no way to hold the referendum envisaged by Mountbatten and endorsed by India and mentioned in her petition to the UN, as that was effectively sabotaged right at the beginning by Pakistan. I suspect that you are not aware of this, as this is never mentioned at any time in any place.

Not participating in a referendum is unfortunately not sufficient grounds for disobeying the law. In this case, as pointed out on several occasions, not Indian law, but Kashmiri law.

There are other things that might be said but I would rather confine myself to matters of fact.
so you are protecting rights of a minority (pundit) by suppressing majority of J&K.o_O.i just can't see logic in that. going by this uk shouldn't have ever conducted the brexit referendum because 49% (which is a huge figure for minority group).but they did it anyway and are now doing what their majority wants.
what you are doing is very close to what russia did to Ukraine to protect few minority groups in Crimea.
Azad Kashmir and gilgit also have their own separate government here.let sit on a table hold referendum in both parts of kashmir and let Kashmiri people decide what they want.they can chose to be with anyone of us or form their own country.
last thing bro you have to give them a legal channel if you want them to behave legally.
 
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Kashmir is for Kashmiris

We didn't want to live with hindus so india Partitioned, Kashmir a muslim majority state didnt want to live with hindus either but india forced a portion under its control

After a decade or two Pakistan and india could have healed the wounds of partition and c9me together for a powerful south asia

India created eternal emnity and division in South Asia

Free kashmir and free Kashmiris

First off kashmir's isn't a word for muslim , it hosts Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists alike . where were you when they chased out the millions of Hindu pundits from the south valley ?

Secondly
Kashmir didn't want to be a part of Pakistan , this is a well known & reported fact watch any foreign media on the partition . It was because Pakistan who annexed Kashmir that the king was forced to sign a treaty with India . Making it officially a integral part of India , making the pak military to fall back . These are documented history , don't post biased propoganda .
 
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First off kashmir's isn't a word for muslim , it hosts Muslims , Hindus , Buddhists alike . where were you when they chased out the millions of Hindu pundits from the south valley ?

Secondly
Kashmir didn't want to be a part of Pakistan , this is a well known & reported fact watch any foreign media on the partition . It was because Pakistan who annexed Kashmir that the king was forced to sign a treaty with India . Making it officially a integral part of India , making the pak military to fall back . These are documented history , don't post biased propoganda .

From a long time there has been a majority of Muslims in Kashmir. 7/8 of Kashmiris who fought for the British were Muslims...

Kashmir never wanted India and the people didn't ask for Indian help...the Maharaja did...
 
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From a long time there has been a majority of Muslims in Kashmir. 7/8 of Kashmiris who fought for the British were Muslims...

Kashmir never wanted India and the people didn't ask for Indian help...the Maharaja did...
Kashmir's king wanted to be independent , which Pakistan opposed and annexed . There is no alternate hive mind.

So why doesn't Pakistan give up its 35% of occupied Kashmir for independence? Even the UN stated for Pakistan to withdraw all the Pakistani citizens from there .



Your argument is filled with double standards.
 
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Kashmir's king wanted to be independent , which Pakistan opposed and annexed . There is no alternate hive mind.

So why doesn't Pakistan give up its 35% of occupied Kashmir for independence? Even the UN stated for Pakistan to withdraw all the Pakistani citizens from there .

Your argument is filled with double standards.

Double standards is not even the last thing on my mind. UN told India to do the same as well...

I haven't seen any Pakistani Kashmiri fighting for independence...there is no occupation no hatred no protests no abuses etc in Pakistani Kashmir....no one can say the same for Indian Kashmir...
 
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There should be a full referendum of Kashmir...I don't think India accepted this. Please correct me if I'm wrong...

Here are the facts as I know them, without references, since I woke from a fitful sleep to write all this, and know that I will drop off very soon. However, at a later date and a better time, I will try to reference them.
  1. Mountbatten had intended that in all borderline cases of the accession of princely states to India, there should be a referendum (he was not in charge of Pakistan, ever, and Jinnah became Governor-General there).
  2. The Maharaja of Kashmir wanted to try for complete independence, although he had a stand-still agreement with Pakistan (not with India). When he lost Mirpur to a popular uprising (that is today Azad Kashmir), and when the Mirpuris welcome a column of armed raiders who then marched to Baramula, he started negotiating seriously with India for military help.
  3. India asked for accession, and was unwilling to act for a non-aligned and uncommitted ruler. This was done on the 26th of October, and troops were airlifted almost immediately, just in time to salvage the situation by avoiding the running over of Srinagar Airport by the raiders.
  4. After fighting the raiders, forcing them to retreat, and clearing Rajauri and Poonch, and on the other hand, relieving Leh, freeing Kargil and pushing the Chitral State Forces-Gilgit Scouts column back to Skardu, India went to the UN, naively expecting a condemnation and a resolution asking for the aggression to be vacated.
  5. Instead, the UN made a conciliatory advisory resolution, asking everyone to stop fighting, and asking India to hold a referendum after Pakistan vacated the parts of Kashmir not under Indian control.
  6. Pakistan did not raise the matter in the UN proper, but objected only once the referendum commission sat. There was to be no vacation of territory held, as India was not to be trusted!
  7. These meetings broke down comically soon, and the status quo remained.
  8. Subsequently, in years to come, the relationship between the two politicians, Nehru and Abdullah, deteriorated, and a period of political tension followed, not reflected on the ground in social or individuals conditions.
Incidentally, I read your post above, and the Indians were asked to retain as many troops as might be needed to maintain law and order.

These are the facts, and you are welcome to verify them.
 
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Double standards is not even the last thing on my mind. UN told India to do the same as well...

I haven't seen any Pakistani Kashmiri fighting for independence...there is no occupation no hatred no protests no abuses etc in Pakistani Kashmir....no one can say the same for Indian Kashmir...
The UN solution was to free all of Kashmir which neither agreed i.e your argument is double standard .

Again just Google separatist movement in Pakistan occupied Kashmir . Pakistan is filled with separatist movement in all border hot zones , weather its Afghanistan , Iran or India .
 
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Its a revolution, not an insurgency. You can stop an insurgency, not a revolution. It was bound to happen, one day or the other. Kashmir has been ignored for far too long by the International community and is another failure of UN. Kashmiris deserve the right of self determination as per UN resolution. It's ironic that a country claiming to be the world's largest democracy is involved in genocide of an indigenous population only to fill its shallow broken bucket of ego with Kashmiri blood.
 
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Here are the facts as I know them, without references, since I woke from a fitful sleep to write all this, and know that I will drop off very soon. However, at a later date and a better time, I will try to reference them.
  1. Mountbatten had intended that in all borderline cases of the accession of princely states to India, there should be a referendum (he was not in charge of Pakistan, ever, and Jinnah became Governor-General there).
  2. The Maharaja of Kashmir wanted to try for complete independence, although he had a stand-still agreement with Pakistan (not with India). When he lost Mirpur to a popular uprising (that is today Azad Kashmir), and when the Mirpuris welcome a column of armed raiders who then marched to Baramula, he started negotiating seriously with India for military help.
  3. India asked for accession, and was unwilling to act for a non-aligned and uncommitted ruler. This was done on the 26th of October, and troops were airlifted almost immediately, just in time to salvage the situation by avoiding the running over of Srinagar Airport by the raiders.
  4. After fighting the raiders, forcing them to retreat, and clearing Rajauri and Poonch, and on the other hand, relieving Leh, freeing Kargil and pushing the Chitral State Forces-Gilgit Scouts column back to Skardu, India went to the UN, naively expecting a condemnation and a resolution asking for the aggression to be vacated.
  5. Instead, the UN made a conciliatory advisory resolution, asking everyone to stop fighting, and asking India to hold a referendum after Pakistan vacated the parts of Kashmir not under Indian control.
  6. Pakistan did not raise the matter in the UN proper, but objected only once the referendum commission sat. There was to be no vacation of territory held, as India was not to be trusted!
  7. These meetings broke down comically soon, and the status quo remained.
  8. Subsequently, in years to come, the relationship between the two politicians, Nehru and Abdullah, deteriorated, and a period of political tension followed, not reflected on the ground in social or individuals conditions.
Incidentally, I read your post above, and the Indians were asked to retain as many troops as might be needed to maintain law and order.

These are the facts, and you are welcome to verify them.

First of all, thank you for your patience in writing so much as it must be more than 6 am in India. The following is what I would like you to know which of course can be proven....

The Maharaja decided to stay independent because he expected that the State's Muslims would be unhappy with accession to India, and the Hindus and Sikhs would become vulnerable if he joined Pakistan. As per the Census in 1941, 71% of people in Kashmir were Muslims, more than 90% in some areas.

The violence in the eastern districts of Jammu that started in September 1947, developed into a widespread `massacre' of Muslims around 20 October, organised by the Hindu Dogra troops of the State and perpetrated by the local Hindus, including members of the RSS. The Maharaja himself was implicated in some instances. A team of British observers commissioned by India and Pakistan identified 70,000 Muslims killed, whereas the Azad Kashmir Government claimed that 200,000 Muslims were killed. About 400,000 Muslims fled to West Pakistan, some of whom made their way to the western districts of Poonch and Mirpur, which were undergoing rebellion. Many of these Muslims believed that the Maharaja ordered the killings in Jammu. According to reports these Jammu Muslims joined the uprising in Poonch and the western districts, and instigated the formation of the Azad Kashmir government.

In the north of the state lay Gilgit, which had been leased by British India but returned to the Maharaja shortly before Independence. Gilgit's population did not favour the State's accession to India. Sensing their discontent, Major William Brown, the Maharaja's commander of the Gilgit Scouts, did a coup on 1 November 1947, overthrowing the Governor Ghansara Singh. The bloodless coup d'etat was planned by Brown to the last detail under the code name `Datta Khel.' Gilgit locals formed a provisional government (Aburi Hakoomat), naming Raja Shah Rais Khan as the president and Mirza Hassan Khan as the commander-in-chief. But, Major Brown had already telegraphed Pakistan to take over. Pakistan's Political Agent, Khan Mohammad Alam Khan, arrived on 16 November and took over the administration of Gilgit.

During the 1950s, Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru held talks with Pakistan's Prime Minister Muhammad Ali Bogra to sort out the plebiscite issue in Kashmir . The discussions between the two suggest that Nehru had even agreed to appoint a Plebiscite Administrator by April 1954. However, Pakistan then joined the CENTO alliance and India used this as a reason to reject the plebiscite and to cancel the talks. According to Nehru, Pakistan's entry into the CENTO alliance was an expression of Pakistan's insincerity in resolving the issue. However, in May 1955 Nehru held talks with Muhammad Ali Bogra during which he underlined his willingness to solve the Kashmir issue on the basis of a Partition of the state along the cease fire line. Nehru's cable to Krishna Menon in 1957 suggests that he favoured a 'readjustment' of the ceasefire line on strategic and geographic grounds. From the 1950s, India became lukewarm to the idea of a plebiscite and instead adopted the view that the Constituent Assembly of Jammu and Kashmir, which was elected in 1951, had ratified the state's accession to India therefore it was unnecessary to further determine the wishes of the Kashmiri people.

There have been thousands of rapes and murders of civilians done by the Indian Army as per Amnesty International. Yet not even a single person has been charged...

The UN solution was to free all of Kashmir which neither agreed i.e your argument is double standard .

Again just Google separatist movement in Pakistan occupied Kashmir . Pakistan is filled with separatist movement in all border hot zones , weather its Afghanistan , Iran or India .

Pakistan has always said the will of the Kashmiri people must be taken into context. Pakistan's foreign office said this last time a month or so ago.

We are discussing Kashmir here...you can create discussion of other problems by making your own to the topic threads.

Pakistan and India both did not listen to the UN. Pakistan wanted will of the people whereas India just wanted Kashmir regardless....
 
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So the Indian Army responds by using live ammunition in the protests??? Tear Gas or Rubber Bullets might be enough...

Cops are also getting killed and injured


Cop among 6 killed in fresh violence in Kashmir; 3 succumb, toll mounts to 21
*Over 230 including 100 cops injured in clashes
Posted on 11/07/2016 by Dailyexcelsior

Fayaz Bukhari

SRINAGAR, July 10: Six persons including a cop were killed in violent clashes that continued in Kashmir for third consecutive day today with mobs attacking police and para-military forces and their establishments while three more persons who were injured yesterday succumbed to injuries taking the death toll to 21.
The violent protests in Kashmir started soon after the killing of Hizbul Mujahideen commander on Friday evening in a shootout in Kokernag area of South Kashmir and besides 21 deaths over 230 people including 100 police men were injured so far.
Five protesters and a cop were killed and over 60 people including police men were injured in today’s clashes in several parts of Kashmir that raged despite curfew.
A cop drowned after a police vehicle was attacked by angry protesters with stones and the vehicle was pushed into river Jhelum near Sangam in South Kashmir district of Anantnag today. Director General of Jammu and Kashmir Police K Rajendra Kumar told reporters here that the Mobile Bunker of Police was thrown into the river by a crowd along with the driver. The driver Afroz Ahmad drowned in the river.
A cop was thrashed by a group of protesters and they tried to snatch his rifle near Saloora, Ganderbal. However, the bid was foiled by his colleagues who immediately reached to the spot and fired tear smoke shells besides using pellet gun fire to disperse them.
At Lassipora in Pulwama, a group of protesting youth torched a Vehicle (TATA 407). The security forces opened fire resulting in injuries to at least 2 persons, Gulzar Pandith of Shopian and Muzaffar Hussain of Keegam Shopian. They were rushed to hospital but were declared brought as dead by the doctors who attended upon them.
Another youth, Irfan Malik of Warwan Pulwama was killed when security forces opened fire to quell protesters near Rajpora Chowk, Pulwama. Besides Irfan a number of protesters suffered injuries and have been hospitalized.
At Qazigund, a youth identified as Mashook Ahmad of Qund was killed when Police and para-military forces opened fire on protesters.
A protester Shabir Ahmad son of Abdul Rehman resident of Tengpora Bypass in Srinagar was killed when security forces opened fire on protesters at Bypass this evening. He was removed to SKIMS hospital Bemina where he succumbed.
Three other persons including a girl who were injured in security forces firing at different places of Kulgam and Anantnag last evening succumbed to their injuries. They have been identified as Imtiyaz Mandoo of Anantnag, Altaf Rather of Rajpora Pulwama, and Yasmeena of DH Pora.
Yesterday 12 persons identified as Adil Bashir Khan of Verinag, Dooru, Saqib Manzoor Mir of Khundroo Achabal, Aijaz Ahmad Thakur of Siligam Ashmuqam, Mohammad Ashraf Dar of Halpora Kokernag, Showkat Ahmad Mir of Hassanpora Arwani Bijbehara, Jehangir Ahmad Gania of Hassanpora Bijbehara, Mohammad Safeer Bhat of Cherigam Pahalgam, Bilal Ahmad Shah of Wagoor Dooru, Shah Danish of Achabal, Azad Hussain of Shopian, Abdul Hamid Mouchi of Arwani and Haseeb Ahmad Gania of Batpora Anantnag were killed in security forces action against protesters in South Kashmir.
In a bid to control the situation, authorities imposed curfew at various places across Kashmir valley as separatist leaders including chairman Hurriyat conference Syed Ali Shah Geelani and Mirwaiz Umar Farooq besides JKLF chief Yaseen Malik and DeM chief Asiya Andrabi has called shutdown till Monday.
The normal life remained disrupted in entire Kashmir as shops, business establishments remained closed and traffic was off the road. The annual Amarnath Yatra remained suspend and large number of Yatris and tourists are stranded in Srinagar and many other places in Kashmir.
Despite strict curfew, reports of clashes were received from many places in the Valley including Anantnag, Kulgam, Kokernag, Qoimoh, Awantipora, Shopian, Tral, Chanapora Bypass, Lalpora and Takipora.
At Ashmuqam, a group of protesters attacked the residence of SDPO and later set it on fire. At Hassanpora Arwani area of Bijbehara, a group of youth attacked SOG camp and tried to set it on fire. However, timely action by forces prevented the buildings from gutting. They later dispersed the protesters. At Soibugh in district Budgam, a police post was torched by the protesters. Railway Station Bijbehara and a Fisheries office at Akad in Ashmuqam were also set ablaze by the angry protesters. At Lolab in Kupwara a group of protesters set on fire a bunker of SOG.
A police spokesman said this evening that the situation in Valley remained under control today though incidents of arson and mob attacks were reported.
“The incidents of stone pelting were reported from Newa Pulwama, Main Town Shopian, Lasipora, Rajpora, Hall Pulwama, Litter, Tahab Pulwama, Tanchibagh Pampore, Damhal, Sangam, Zainapora, Qoimoh, Yaripora, Behibagh Kulgam, Vailoo, Warpora Sopore, Tikipora Sogam, Lalpora Kupwara, Kanyal Bagh Baramulla, Armpora Sopore, Tarzoo, Batamaloo, Qamriya Ganderbal, Soibugh Budgam, Mirgund and Sheikhpora”, the spokesman said.
The spokesman said that during the law and order situations at Newa, Lasipora, Litter in Pulwama three persons Irfan Ahmad Malik of Newa, Gulzar Ahmad Pandit of Mohanpora Shopian and Fayaz Ahmad Waza of Litter Pulwama were injured and later succumbed to their injuries. “One police vehicle and some seized vehicles were set on fire at Lasipora Pulwama when the arsonists attacked the police post”, he said.
“Unruly mobs set on fire GRP Guard room and RPF Barrack at Bijbehara Railway Station, Police Post Damhal Khushipora. Unruly mob also set on fire a single storied structure at Soibugh Budgam from where earlier police post Soibugh used to function”, the spokesman said.
The spokesman said that hooligans pushed a Police vehicle along with the driver, Afroz Ahmad into the river Jhelum at Sangam resulting in death of the driver. “An unruly mob attacked Fire Services vehicle which was on way to Sangam on a call near Bijbehara. The call later proved to be a hoax. The vehicle was damaged in the said incident”, he said.
“It has been seen that in the garb of law and order situation, militants are firing and lobbing grenades on Police and CRPF personnel. Militants lobbed two grenades on CRPF deployed on law & order duties in Murran Chowk resulting in injuries to some CRPF personnel”, the spokesman said.
He added that in Shopian the vehicle of SP Shopian was fired upon and a grenade was also lobbed. “Militants also fired upon the police post Uttersu”, he said.
“A number of police establishments and camps were also attacked during the day resulting in damage to the property and injuries to scores of police and CRPF personnel”, the spokesman said.
A cop was injured after he was shot at by gunmen in Tral area of South Kashmir district Pulwama today.
A police officer said that Abdul Gani, a constable, posted at police station Saddar who was on leave was fired upon by unknown gunman outside his residence Laam village of Tral. “In firing incident Gani sustained leg injury and was immediately hospitalized”, the official said. A case has been registered and further investigations have been taken up in this regard, he said.

Meanwhile, police today said it would like to avoid the killing of the youth and urged protesters not to resort to violence, saying it does not bring the right consequences.
Additional Director General of Police (CID) S M Sahai again urged people to restrain their youngsters from participating in the protests that have erupted in the aftermath of the killing of Burhan Wani on Friday.
“The situation as of now is better than yesterday. At some places, people have come out and we are dealing with it. We would like to control the situation to avoid the killings of the youth,” he said.
Insisting that that violence does not bring the right consequences, Sahai urged people to restrain youngsters from violent protests and confine them to homes.
“Whether they have to protest or not, but they should not resort to violence.It does not have right consequences,” he said.
Sahai defended the use of force which resulted in civilian casualties, saying the security posts were attacked by the unruly mobs.
“Militants fired upon security personnel from among the crowd. Weapon-snatching was also reported. Some of our personnel were injured,” the police official said.

He admitted that police had been unable to anticipate the areas of trouble after the killing of the militant commander.
“We admit that our focus was not on some areas. We are are seeing how it happened,” he said.
“We faced trouble from the outline areas. Government buildings, police stations, and army camps were attacked in the areas we least expected trouble,” he said, adding the areas police expected trouble were put under control.


http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/cop-a...lence-in-kashmir-3-succumb-toll-mounts-to-21/

Forgive me if I'm mistaken...but I cant find this information in the article. Only live ammunition is mentioned...

See above article.
 
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Thanks for sharing...most paragraphs talk about civilians....and all of this started due to the killing of the commander...
 
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Its like jnu azaadi chant. In spite of having all the azaadu they still keep saying azaadi. So it can only mean that they need azaadi from "submission"
 
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