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Freedom comes at a price......just as long we keep killing the india vermin that is stinking kashmir out we will win.

hahaha..keep dreaming...the vermin that u want to kill are infact killing ur piglet scums..nd remember ur not not keeeping us out of Kashmir..we r keeping u scums out of Kashmir...


Make your minds up.......one minute theres no ummah helping the kashmiris and then the next you accuse the ummah of helping there brothers.
They can come from anywhere in the world to help the kashmiris and they are freedom fighters.

Please keep ur Ummah out of this....were is Ummah wen u guys were killing each other in Iran-iraq,Yemen etc..?
nd y dont u advise the PA to accord the same respect to the chechens,uzbeks,arabs who come to fight ur army since they r collaborating with Unkil..?




The indian sumbag army might be heros in your eyes to but to kashmiris there nothing but monkeys with guns.

Can u define Kashmiris..?according to me the 4 million displaced Pandits are also Kashmiris..they dont hate IA..The ruksana begums,the jawans from Kashmir serving in IA...are they not Kashmiris..?



No.....theres nomfreedom struggle taking place there unlike kashmir.

Yes there is a freedom struggle going on in Baluchistan.. Y dont u give freedom to the opressed and the repressed ppl there..?
 
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Maybe its time to ask the people of east pakistan whether they want to join Pakistan

Usual Indian spin, thought to be clever by writer, but pointless.
 
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Why dont u open ur TV channel's like, Time's now or NDTV and see how local kashmiri's r reacting to this new drama from indian army.

I have been following indian news station's for quiet some some time now.

They alway's report how many freedom fighter's went to heaven, but never report or under report how many of indian army soldier's went to hell in encounter.

This is a guerrilla warfare, and we r not short of them, some times kashmir some time else where.

But make no mistake they will keep coming at u, some times in valley, and some times in dinning room of TAJ.

Have a nice dinner :sniper::sniper::sniper:

yeah you may be right. They are always ready to kick their a**. Just change the terrain and the strategy.

:azn:
 
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Meet the sons of soil who made Kashmir proud: India Today

Shah Faesal is the first Kashmiri Muslim to top the IAS exam. But there are others in his community who, rather than imbibing anti-India sentiments and treading the beaten track, went on to make the nation proud.

For many Kashmiri Muslims, the army is the ultimate symbol of "India's occupation of Kashmir". The men in olive green are perceived alternately as occupiers and protectors.

And never have the Kashmiri Muslims had one of their own in the higher ranks of the army they love to vilify.

But that was until Major-General Mohammed Amin Naik breached the dividing wall in 2008. In April that year, he became the first Kashmiri Muslim to become a General in the Indian Army.

When Major-General Naik, then a Brigadier with the Corps of Engineers, was promoted, some Kashmiris had exclaimed: "No longer are we the children of the lesser god." Major-General Naik is a known name in the once-militancy-affected Dadsar area of Tral. Ask anyone about him and he would take you to the General's ancestral house.

In an area where there is universal apathy against men in uniform, affection and admiration for Major-General Naik looks strange.

"He is the son of the soil and we are proud of him," says Muhammad Wasim, a B. Sc. second-year student, who identifies himself as the officer's cousin.

Major-General Naik was born in Pulwama's Batpora village on September 25, 1953. The General studied at the Biscoe School and later joined S. P. College in Srinagar.

On December 22, 1974, he was commissioned into the Corps of Engineers from the Indian Military Academy (IMA), Dehradun. He was the first person to join the army from the district.

Major-General Naik's course mate at the IMA, retired Brigadier S. K. Chatterjee, remembers him as one of the finest fellow cadets.

"And he has grown to be one of the finest officers of the Indian Army that I have had the privilege to know. A thoroughly secular nationalist, Naik is also a sportsman of high repute. He has got the country many medals in rowing from international competitions," Brigadier Chatterjee says.

Major-General Naik was awarded a Sena Medal in 1993 for meritorious service. That included a long stint as civil design engineer and Garrison engineer with the Eastern Naval Command in Vizag. He also commanded 14 Border Roads Task Force in Tanga, 102 Engineering Regiment and 8 Mountain Division Engineering Regiment.

As Brigadier, he was also posted as the chief engineer, Project Himank in Leh, Ladakh. He had a stint at the army headquarters in New Delhi as a general staff officer 1 and was the assistant chief at the Headquarters Integrated Defence Staff, raised in the wake of the Kargil conflict.

Major-General Naik belongs to a family that had long- standing relations with the government. His father, Ghulam Nabi Naik, was a divisional commissioner of Jammu and Kashmir. His two siblings were also in government service - his elder brother, Gul Mohammed Naik, was a forest officer while his sister, Shamim Naik, was a doctor.

Ducked bullets to reach school:

Basharat Peer's writings belie his simple beginnings at the local village school, where attending classes was an "exercise in luck", as he puts it.

The noted author was born in the strife-ridden Seer village of Pahalgam in south Kashmir's Anantnag district.

He studied in the local village school - which was later turned into an army camp - till 1993, when he was 16.

That was the time when the anti-India insurgency was at its peak.

"Going to school each day at that time was an exercise in luck, you never knew when a bomb would explode or an encounter would start," Peer says.

Every other day, his classmates and he would jump from buses to hide in streets, behind walls, as impromptu encounters broke out and bullets were sprayed around with abandon, he says.

Worried about Peer's safety in the state, his father G. A Peer - a civil servant - sent him to Aligarh Muslim University (AMU), with the hopes that his son, too, would qualify for the Indian Administrative Services (IAS) after graduation.

At AMU, Peer studied political science and English literature.

At the university, he met many other Kashmiris, driven out of their homes because of the incessant fighting. They told him stories of deaths, curfews, arrests, and all the trappings that one has come to expect with the strife.

Peer completed his graduation but the thoughts of his state never left him, and it formed the basis of many of his subsequent writings.

After completing graduation, Peer never gave his father the impression that he was not interested in the IAS and enrolled himself for the LLB course in Delhi University.

But one day, his parents saw a story authored by him on Rediff. com and they realised their son had chosen to be a journalist.

After Rediff, Peer joined Tehelka and later went to the Columbia School of Journalism.

While in Columbia, he wrote Curfewed Night, a first-hand account of the turbulent times in Kashmir. It is part of his literature which "looks at resistance from within". The book was published by HarperCollins and was simultaneously released in England and the US. Currently, Peer is a fellow at the Open Society Institute.

He has also been an assistant editor at the Foreign Affairs magazine.

Besides, he also writes for other publications such as The Guardian, Financial Times, The National and New Statesman.

Obama's Muslim representative

She is no longer an Indian citizen but is a Kashmiri to the hilt nevertheless.

Farah Pandith is currently part of the Barack Obama administration in the US. She is the special representative to Muslim communities at the US state department, a position she was appointed to on June 23 last year.

She was sworn in by secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

Prior to this, she was senior advisor to the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian Affairs, a position created for the first time in US history.

Pandith was born in Kashmir but emigrated with her mother to Massachusetts in 1969.

She completed her Master's in law and diplomacy in 1995 from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University and she based her Master's thesis on the insurgency in Kashmir.

Her work on the "War of Ideas" was featured in the inaugural edition of the Washingtonian magazine in January last.

Pandith is currently on the Board of Overseers for the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. She was also a Trustee of Smith College and Milton Academy.

From hub of militancy to India colours in football:

Mehrajuddin Wadoo can't help but feel a little pleased when children in his home state look up to him as someone to be admired. The ace midfielder has only one message for football hopefuls when he visits Kashmir: "Come out of the Valley and play for clubs."

Mehraj says Kashmiris have talent but it is the lack of exposure that comes in their way to success. Hailing from downtown Srinagar, Mehraj is currently playing for East Bengal but humbly says he had never dreamed of reaching where he is today. "Hard work and passion pay at the end of the day," he says. Mehraj was part of the Indian squad that brought home the ONGC Nehru Cup in 2007 and 2009.

He was also part of the national team that played in the South Asian Football Federation Cup in 2008, where they finished runners up. Born in the Rainawari area of downtown Srinagar - the hub of militancy and separatism - on September 13, 1984, he started playing football at the age of eight and, as he proudly says, football is in his genes. His father, Muhammad Sultan Wadoo, was a football player as well. Sultan was the left back of the Food and Supplies Department team. His father would take Mehraj to his practice sessions every day.

Football was Sultan's passion and he was determined Mehraj would follow in his footsteps. And his son didn't disappoint him. Mehraj's journey started from S. P. School in Srinagar, where he played for the school team. With Mehraj on its side, the SP School team won all competitions easily.

As a teenager, he was part of the Jammu and Kashmir Police team and played a crucial role when the team created history by winning the Bikaner Trophy for the first time. In 2002-03, he amazed everyone with his performance when he played for the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in the National Football League. In 2004, he joined the club ITI but it shut down because of financial constraints. Mehraj, however, was not worried. He had many offers and was picked up by Sporting Club de Goa.

He later joined Mohun Bagan but left the club in 2007 to join its arch rival, East Bengal. He instantly changed the club's fortunes by steering them to their first Federation Cup triumph in 11 years.

Mehraj started his career as a striker, then played as a defender and now is a midfielder. Despite all his success, however, he still has one regret: "I couldn't complete my graduation because of the frequent tournaments. I was good at studies, which is why I regret it all the more."
 
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Well written article. Kashmirs like other Muslims in India were always integrated as India, for four thousand years at least. Only some people and militants creating problems for development of Kashmir. Don't know how many innocent civilians are dead like Mr. Shah Faisal's father because of militancy! Some civilians were also harassed by security personnel due to militants.

Go Kashmir go.
 
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Kindly don't tell Indians who people on Indian soil are. They are who we claim them to be.

Bombing and killing innocent people is no way of achieving freedom.

You keep yourself limited to your country and we do the same. You wouldn't love it if we started calling Balochistani freedom fighters. Its your matter so we leave it to you.

Similary leave this matter to us.

6 more militants sent to HELL. And I am proud of it. RIP to the brave soldiers.
Sorry, but on this forum since there are people who support the separatists and freedom fighters, it is expected that while Indians support the operations against insurgents, that they not use abusive language towards the insurgents (such as pigs and what not).

As Dabong pointed out, to do so then opens the doors for those supporting Freedom Fighters in Disputed J&K to call Indian Security forces pigs and other insults.

You can support your government's position without resort to name calling and abuse. If not, the door out is open, and there are plenty of other fora that will humor you on that count.
 
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Agno

The name change of the thread is unfair..A little under handed attempt I must say to change the tone of the thread.. You may have your reasons, but I am truly disappointed with the choice of the new title..

I dont think the original title was abusive or against the forum rules. It was from a news headline, replicated as is. But if you are adament in changing the title to what you have, I will have to request you to remove my name as the creator of the thread. I dont want my name to be associated with this title, which in my personal view is incorrect
 
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Sorry, but on this forum since there are people who support the separatists and freedom fighters, it is expected that while Indians support the operations against insurgents, that they not use abusive language towards the insurgents (such as pigs and what not).

As Dabong pointed out, to do so then opens the doors for those supporting Freedom Fighters in Disputed J&K to call Indian Security forces pigs and other insults.

You can support your government's position without resort to name calling and abuse. If not, the door out is open, and there are plenty of other fora that will humor you on that count.

so by your point of view freedom fighters kill innocent

so that means terrorist in pakistan are also freedom fighter???
right
 
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Agno

The name change of the thread is unfair..A little under handed attempt I must say to change the tone of the thread.. You may have your reasons, but I am truly disappointed with the choice of the new title..

I dont think the original title was abusive or against the forum rules. It was from a news headline, replicated as is. But if you are adament in changing the title to what you have, I will have to request you to remove my name as the creator of the thread. I dont want my name to be associated with this title, which in my personal view is incorrect
No evidence was provided that the militants belonged to the LeT - that was a discussion we had in the beginning.

The individuals fighting the Indian Army are insurgents, and they are pro-Freedom/anti-Indian occupation. I do not see how the current title is factually incorrect.

I will however make a note in the first post that the title was changed by the moderator.
 
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Just one question. What is "HIJBUL mujahideen"
 
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so by your point of view freedom fighters kill innocent

so that means terrorist in pakistan are also freedom fighter???
right

In this case they are fighting the Indian SF's are they not? When they kill innocents, as in the case of the Indian Army, you can call them terrorists.
 
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In this case they are fighting the Indian SF's are they not? When they kill innocents, as in the case of the Indian Army, you can call them terrorists.

when they kill innocent yes they are ... but no proof for that

and please tell me wht u called terrorist in pakistan

mr. freedom fighter
 
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so by your point of view freedom fighters kill innocent

so that means terrorist in pakistan are also freedom fighter???
right

Agnostic Bhai has given you sufficient answer but let me add that Kashmiri's are fighting for freedom not Tribals.. Tribals are only against America... So you cannot call them freedom fighters.


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^^Its Hizbul..sry for it....it a group that is using violence as a measure to resolve the Kashmir issue by hiring people from the valley and supported by GoP and 160 million people(according to him) ...India,EU and US call it a terrorist organization but Pakistanis call it a Freedom Movement....
 
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