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[amoverlord]

hey brown since 60+ years have u integrated them into main stream indian nationalism?
Have u called of ur more then half a million force?
Have u stopped regular protests and Pakistani flag hoisting?
If not its still time to be mature.
Chinese took hong kong from brits and macau from the portugees even after century without war......
What make u think u can occupy them forever?

india is not china(india is too diverse).....do u think GOI likes, that its spending so much money n resources on kasmir...do u think this situation is benefiting india.....

 

[amoverlord]

HAHAHA Then where was the might indian force backed by 18 ordinance factories and all the industrial might and financial sources in 48?while u were asking UN for cease fire?
In 71 it was a civil war thousands of miles from main land,a super power supporting you with everything to jets to moral bosting and dont forget u lost AIR WARS?
Could u have succeeded on ur own?if there was no civil war,mukti bhai and ur ****** proxy???
About kargil buddy how many indians died there and didnt u guys run out of coffins?

laugh,,as much u want...but bottom line is...u gained nothing in those wars n lost more....anyway lets not discuss the past.....lets argue not fight...

 

[Chiru]

HAHAHA Then where was the might indian force backed by 18 ordinance factories and all the industrial might and financial sources in 48?while u were asking UN for cease fire?
In 71 it was a civil war thousands of miles from main land,a super power supporting you with everything to jets to moral bosting and dont forget u lost AIR WARS?
Could u have succeeded on ur own?if there was no civil war,mukti bhai and ur ****** proxy???
About kargil buddy how many indians died there and didnt u guys run out of coffins?

We are stupid and lost golden opportunity to settle everything after complete defeat of pakistan and surrender.

I don't argue with you if you think pak won 71 air war. May be won on stone pelting contest

 

[thebrownguy]

hey brown since 60+ years have u integrated them into main stream indian nationalism?
Have u called of ur more then half a million force?
Have u stopped regular protests and Pakistani flag hoisting?
If not its still time to be mature.
Chinese took hong kong from brits and macau from the portugees even after century without war......
What make u think u can occupy them forever?

I know we will not let them break away because i am thinking in a more practical manner.
Its very simple, they are complaing of human right violations and oppression by army right?
Was it always like this? They are choosing their own fate by such separatist protests and supporting insurgency.
Things changed since 1989 buddy. To crush any rebellion, the army can't go by the books, we both are sensible enough to understand that.
what is the goverment depriving them of that they want Azadi? Multi million dollar development packages have been drafted for Kashmir, but its all to waste as these people do not let any development happen?
They have a right to vote and choose their representative in the government apparatus.
They have special laws and special reservations in schools, colleges, jobs!!
The azadi claims are just on being ethnic or religious grounds,not because of any sort of oppression!! (mind you the so called oppression started after 1989)
Like i said , let them wave pakistani flags and throw stones over choosing a better life for themselves and their future generations, its their choice to make. We have made ours.

 

[Cityboy]

Great. .this operation done by J and K police with the help of army. . All inteligence tips coming from local ppl as this encounter also has. .kill all terrorists. . I am happy dat local jammu and kashmir police doing a great job. .thanks to great kashmiri ppl for giving regular tips abt terrorists.

 

[s6demon]

thanks to great kashmiri ppl for giving regular tips abt terrorists.

yes thanks to THESE people for giving tips. I cannot believe how inhumane your army is.

 

[FreekiN]

Must be pretty easy for the Indians to kill innocents, put a gun next to the dead body, then label it a terrorist from Pakistan's side.

We all know they are pro's at it now.

 

[thebrownguy]

Must be pretty easy for the Indians to kill innocents, put a gun next to the dead body, then label it a terrorist from Pakistan's side.

We all know they are pro's at it now.

Its easier to to make that sort of an accusation without any logic.
Can you please explain what will the army/J&K police gain by doing that?
I am not implying that they are angels and have not done anything wrong. To crush armed struggles, rights have to be twisted and broken, that is unfortunately the harsh reality.

 

[FreekiN]

Six Pakistani terrorists killed in Kashmir

Jammu: Six Pakistani terrorists belonging to the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) were killed in a fierce gunfight in Jammu and Kashmir's Rajouri district on Thursday.
The terrorists died when soldiers and policemen raided their hideout in Kalakote area, 200 km north of Jammu.
"All of them are Pakistanis and belong to Lashkar," Senior Superintendent of Police Shafkat Watali told IANS on telephone from Rajouri.
"This is one of the biggest achievements of the security forces against militants," he said.
This was the second gun battle in the area in three days.
The Indian Army has stepped up its vigil along the Line of Control (LoC), which divides Kashmir between India and Paksitan, to foil infiltration by terrorists from Pakistan."

Six Pakistani terrorists? Hmm. How do we know they are Pakistani? ID Cards, nametags, etc? Yes, because a terrorist would be running around with a nametag on his shirt, right?

Because a Kashmiri on the Indian side would never join a resistance force in his right mind, right?

Because LeT is apparently the only operating resistance group in the region, right?

Mr. Watali was quick to come to the conclusion that any rebel in Kashmir, is Pakistani.

We all know Kashmir hates India, wants nothing to do with Hindu's or their country, and have been endlessly oppressed and murdered only to be blanketed by large and small scale cover-ups to hide the truth.

This report is obviously highly-biased propaganda to continue the anti-Pakistan agenda of the Indian government. But hey, India is not the only country in the world using fake 'terror' to get the support of it's gullible citizens.

It's about time for the real Mujahideen to unleash a shitload of azz-whoopage onto India, just like they did to your big brother, Russia.

 

[thebrownguy]

Six Pakistani terrorists? Hmm. How do we know they are Pakistani? ID Cards, nametags, etc? Yes, because a terrorist would be running around with a nametag on his shirt, right?

Because a Kashmiri on the Indian side would never join a resistance force in his right mind, right?

Because LeT is apparently the only operating resistance group in the region, right?

Mr. Watali was quick to come to the conclusion that any rebel in Kashmir, is Pakistani.

We all know Kashmir hates India, wants nothing to do with Hindu's or their country, and have been endlessly oppressed and murdered only to be blanketed by large and small scale cover-ups to hide the truth.

This report is obviously highly-biased propaganda to continue the anti-Pakistan agenda of the Indian government. But hey, India is not the only country in the world using fake 'terror' to get the support of it's gullible citizens.

It's about time for the real Mujahideen to unleash a shitload of azz-whoopage onto India, just like they did to your big brother, Russia.

Dude I thought you though ouside the brackets of "jihads" and "mujahideens". Not you too!
Anyways, dream on!!

 

[FreekiN]

Dude I thought you though ouside the brackets of "jihads" and "mujahideens". Not you too!
Anyways, dream on!!

Dream on about what? The inevitable?

Dude, I thought you would have an idea about what Jihad really is or at least the definition of it.

Jihad, an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims.
A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural is mujahideen.

Now let's get to what Jihad means in the context that we are using it:

In classical Islamic jurisprudence jihad consists of warfare with the aim of expansion and defence of Islamic territory.

Now seeing that Kashmir is majority Muslim, it automatically gets considered as a Islamic territory, so we will fight forever until the Muslim-majority lands are freed.

Got that?

Alright, now let me teach you why treating innocent Muslims will get India stuck in a pile of ****:

Ummah is the concept of a Muslim brotherhood where every single Muslim is equal, and no other Muslim is better than the other. And when a group of fellow Muslims is stuck in a calamity, a brother must do everything and anything he/she can to liberate them. The calamity can be poverty or a natural disaster or even a war, etc.

"O People! Your God is one; your father is one; no preference of an Arab neither over non-Arab nor of a non-Arab over an Arab or red over black or black over red except for the most righteous. Verily the most honored of you is the most righteous." - Prophet Mohammed [pbuh]

EX. Afghan resistance against Soviets. Muslims from all over the world, from Morocco to the Philippines arrived in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, and eventually they won.

EX. Zakaat: Obligatory tax from all privileged Muslims to the poorer ones.

I hope you learned something about why we will never give up to free Kashmir from unbeliever hands. Same goes for occupied Palestine.

Thanks.

 

[s6demon]

Its easier to to make that sort of an accusation without any logic.
Can you please explain what will the army/J&K police gain by doing that?

you mean without any proof, and I posted a video where they did just that. just go through the first two pages and there is a video of the indian army shooting some random guy on the street.

what they are want to achieve is to supress the kashmiri independence movement. the kashmiris dont want to be part of india because they are not indian. and the brutal methods are used to keep them quiet because if they dont shut up and take commands from delhi, they get killed.

 

[EjazR]

In every operation the local J&K police is involved so that innocents are not targeted. If even a innocent is injured, there will be a huge protest and backlash for the security forces and that is why this is most likely Pakistani infiltrators. See this in the backdrop of LeT heads in Pakistan saying that 2009 has been the best year for them in a decade.

Anyways, here is a report quoting the J&K police official which shows that the LOCALS provided intelligence inputs and then the local police along with the IA fought invaders and militants before they could kill innocents civilians or politicians who don't know tow to the UJC.


Six Pakistani LeT terrorists killed in Kashmir
The Indian Army and the Jammu and Kashmir police Thursday achieved a major success, killing six Pakistani terrorists belonging to the Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) in a four-hour long gun battle in Rajouri district of the state.

The army had to use its paratroopers to neutralise the terrorists, hiding in forests of Baghla in in Kalakote area of the district, 200 km north of Jammu.

A police spokesman said that the gunfight broke out around 1 p.m. after the militants, asked to surrender, opened fire on the security forces.

'The terrorists also lobbed grenades at the security personnel. The fire was returned,' he said.

Rajouri Senior Superintendent of Police Shafkat Watali told IANS over phone that the killing of six terrorists is a 'big success for the security forces and a big blow to the LeT'.

The six terrorists are suspected to be part of a group of infiltrators that had crossed over to India early this week.

This was the second gun battle with the militants in Kalakote area in the past three days. Four terrorists and three soldiers were killed Wednesday after an 18-hour gun battle, which started Tuesday evening in Kandi area in the forests of Rajouri.

 

[EjazR]

Raging gunfights in Rajouri | Greater Kashmir Daily English Newspaper

SHAFIQ MIR

Rajouri, Apr 1: The toll in the Rajouri gunfights mounted to 18 with the killing of six more militants in a fresh encounter on Thursday, police said.
“Seven militants and five troopers were killed in separate gunfights in this frontier district till yesterday,” a police official told Greater Kashmir.
Giving details of today’s encounter he said, “Troopers of 60 Rashtriya Rifles assisted by police launched searches at the Khabbar top forest area in Kalakote this afternoon. Militants present there opened fire on the search party which was retaliated triggering an encounter.”
“In the ensuing gunfight,” he said, six more militants were killed Thursday.
He said killed militants, 3-days ago, had escaped from Triyath forest after a brief encounter in which a trooper had been killed and Station House Officer (SHO) of Daramshal Police Station, Showkat Ali was injured.
“This was the same group of Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) militants, who had infiltrated from Pallanwala belt of Akhnoor sector on March 23. Two militants of this group were killed in Dharamshal area on Saturday last while four militants and were killed yesterday in Kandi Bhudal belt of Rajouri district,” he added.
Sources said that two more gunfights were on in Kandi and Dharamsal areas of Rajouri district.

VDC MEMBER REPULSES ATTACK
Meanwhile, police claimed that Village Defence Committee (VDC) member repulsed a militant attack on his house in Rajouri district this morning.
“A group of militants attacked the house of Raj Kumar in village Daroti. When Kumar did not open the door, the militants resorted to indiscriminate firing which was retaliated by the VDC member. The intermittent exchange of fire continued for about an hour. Militants later escaped,” a police official added.

 

[thebrownguy]

Dream on about what? The inevitable?

Dude, I thought you would have an idea about what Jihad really is or at least the definition of it.

Jihad, an Islamic term, is a religious duty of Muslims.
A person engaged in jihad is called a mujahid, the plural is mujahideen.

Now let's get to what Jihad means in the context that we are using it:

In classical Islamic jurisprudence jihad consists of warfare with the aim of expansion and defence of Islamic territory.

Now seeing that Kashmir is majority Muslim, it automatically gets considered as a Islamic territory, so we will fight forever until the Muslim-majority lands are freed.

Got that?

Alright, now let me teach you why treating innocent Muslims will get India stuck in a pile of ****:

Ummah is the concept of a Muslim brotherhood where every single Muslim is equal, and no other Muslim is better than the other. And when a group of fellow Muslims is stuck in a calamity, a brother must do everything and anything he/she can to liberate them. The calamity can be poverty or a natural disaster or even a war, etc.

"O People! Your God is one; your father is one; no preference of an Arab neither over non-Arab nor of a non-Arab over an Arab or red over black or black over red except for the most righteous. Verily the most honored of you is the most righteous." - Prophet Mohammed [pbuh]

EX. Afghan resistance against Soviets. Muslims from all over the world, from Morocco to the Philippines arrived in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, and eventually they won.

EX. Zakaat: Obligatory tax from all privileged Muslims to the poorer ones.

I hope you learned something about why we will never give up to free Kashmir from unbeliever hands. Same goes for occupied Palestine.

Thanks.

Bro,lets not give violent twists to meaning of Jihad,and link armed struggles to it. Anyways i would like to leave this discussion of religion and ummah and jihad right here, discussing religion makes no sense,

For you its about your religious duty, while i am driven by nationalism, which does not allow me to ever think about my country breaking. On what basis is separatism justified? Army oppression? All that started when the Kashmiris picked up arms against the country which rescued them from tribal invaders in 1947.