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[Peshwa]

But at the same time such a porous nature can be dangerous in terms of separatists and terrorists. You can not keep an eye on everyone crossing the border and on the dispersion.

Right now we have infiltration image how much times will it increase if we make borders porous

R.A.W.....

At this point, all I care about is peace, prosperity to India and access to C.A.R...
The idea suggested is for "relative peace".....does not mean that the two powers will let go of the struggle....
I mean in the next 15 years, if the proposed is actually done, Kashmir will be a demilatarized zone, so chances are that RAW and ISI will play their nasty games to control the Kashmiri's and bring them into their side of the fence....

I dont see this as a parmanent solution at all......

 

[R.A.W.]

R.A.W.....

At this point, all I care about is peace, prosperity to India and access to C.A.R...
The idea suggested is for "relative peace".....does not mean that the two powers will let go of the struggle....
I mean in the next 15 years, if the proposed is actually done, Kashmir will be a demilatarized zone, so chances are that RAW and ISI will play their nasty games to control the Kashmiri's and bring them into their side of the fence....

I dont see this as a parmanent solution at all......

And in that nasty game kashmiris will suffer. See simply as this thing. If we are to invest in Kashmir which would bring jobs for Kashmiris which will bring Kashmiris closer to us. But this would be ultimately threat to Pakistan. So they will try their level best that we are not able to do it. and things can get dirty. Same applies vice versa. With porous borders and no military it will become a very dirty game with Indians and pakistanis roaming freely between Kashmiris.

 

[fryndfire]

Balochistan is not the topic of this discussion nor is it a disputed territory.

IF India ever knew that people would vote for India, it would be the first in line demanding a plebiscite just like India ran to the UN actually involved the UN in, and was a willing signatory to the UN resolutions calling for the plebiscite.

blame it on our short sighted ,strategically clueless political leadership!the whole kashmir situation wouldnt be there if we showed more balls in 47,65 and 71. the tashkent treaty and shimla treaty were couple of biggest blunders of indian political history.the whole bringing the UN in on kashmir was another show of the lack of character and resolve in our political leadership.

btw, balochs might wanna disagree whether their teerritory is disputed or not.but yeah this isnt the topic of the thread and i will refrain from making any further comments on this.

 

[Skeptic]

Pakistan has always pushed for plebiscite, not simple integration. The rules of the plebiscite always clearly state that they may join India, Pakistan or choose Independence. So we're quite open to the idea of a Kashmiri independence.

As I mentioned - pushing for freedom and talking of Plebiscite in the same breath.
Refer to this: http://www.un.org/french/documents/sc/res/1948/s48r47f.pdf
These are original vnd scanned copies of the resolution from UN website unlike many doctored versions circulating on the net. It clearly mentions

to create proper conditions for a free and impartial plebiscie to decide whether state of jammu and Kashmir is to accede to India or Pakistan"

So lay low on the moral Highs of Promoting Freedom via Plebiscite. Infact this is treason to Kashmiris - promoting this falsehood of freedom via UN resolution. It has been used as a tool in past and continues to be so. And you Sir, being the administrator and having "Sapere aude!" under your name are sold to this misinformation.

 

[Storm Force]

I once read that For India to give way the whole of Kashmir away was like a daggar to its heart.

Give away the massive strategic advantage and have both china & pakistan right on top looking down into indian plains from great height.

Lose the control of water from himlayers indian sub continent life line

and the horrendus humilation internationally for losing huge land to their neighbour.

Lose Kashmir and india will fall like a deck of cards.

No sane indian will ever let this come even close regardless of whose involved.

 

[advaita]

Thats the Kashmiris concern then. Kashmiris are saying it won't be any trouble, then who are Indians to play big brother on them.

Sir, Kashmiris are not saying this. Kashmiris are voting in Indian elections every 5 years at about the national average rates. They know they are Indian citizens. Its only a handful of urbanised gentlemen that want to be Ummah ki puunch.

You see too much money and nothing better to do.

You perhaps dont know that even without any worthwhile industry Kashmiri urbans are better then the average Indians.

Just a day or two back there has been an attack by Kasab ke bhais where only Kashmiri rural folk were killed.

In fact the fatalities are not amongst the soldiers and Hindus are just not there. Its only the rural folk getting killed and the only reason IA is finding it difficult to protect them is because the terrain is so goddamn difficult (quite unlike the plains of Punjab).

Aap ko bachane hain to apne musalmanon ko bacaho, hamare wale tum logon ko sir dard samajte hain.

 

[advaita]

Difference in opinion is necessary my friend.....Gives us Indians a varied perspective on things....

To a certain extent I agree with you.....policies have remained the same accross parties, but only once the party came to power......BJP and Congress systematically use current agendas and actions of the govt to prove inefficiency and rile people up!!!

Bro, I am working in Constrution in NCR region. A lot of labour force is reasonably well organised through their Contractors or Sub-Contractors. Also well over 70% of the unskilled labour (not the masons/welders/steel workers/JCB operators) are Bangla speaking. If you know what I mean.

What India lacks is not the political leadership. What we lack is the continuity of civil action/demand for rights/cooperative actions at grass root levels due to which our poors from Bolangir/Chattisgarh/Telangana cannot get to the opportunities that are there. This can only be brought about by right of centre policies especially in regard to SMEs and Labour contracts. Our governments are just like any other govt. They are not the limiting factor.

 

[sallukhan]

I see a ban comming

 

[Kharian_Beast]

Man this can turn into a war. And for Pakistan will be forced to use nukes because they cannot fight conventionally being very true. And we are not in a state for a nuclear war right now. Even if we are able to defeat Pakistan it will be a loose loose situation for us with the blooming economic downfall. Pakistan has much less to loose right now in case of nuclear fallout even if we respond..

Pakistan is capable of ripping the heart and spine of India's Mig 21 and T-72 reliant military overnight. I hope India doesn't provoke Pakistan into a war.... a nation with less to lose has more to gain.

Pay back for 1971 is right around the corner so long as India continues on the path of aggressive posturing. Many analysts have also stated that eventually Pakistan will get Kashmir so long as freedom fighters have the support of the local population and Pakistan. What the Indian border security or military has to say has nothing to do with the realities of this conflict...their borders can be tighter than a **** ****** but like the article in this thread proves, Indians are still losing troops in Kashmir and it has nothing to do with Pakistan sending in people.

 

[R.A.W.]

Pakistan is capable of ripping the heart and spine of India's Mig 21 and T-72 reliant military overnight. I hope India doesn't provoke Pakistan into a war.... a nation with less to lose has more to gain.

Pay back for 1971 is right around the corner so long as India continues on the path of aggressive posturing. Many analysts have also stated that eventually Pakistan will get Kashmir so long as freedom fighters have the support of the local population and Pakistan. What the Indian border security or military has to say has nothing to do with the realities of this conflict...their borders can be tighter than a **** ****** but like the article in this thread proves, Indians are still losing troops in Kashmir and it has nothing to do with Pakistan sending in people.

Sir you forgot Su30 and MRCA with MIg 21..

And 1971 was your fault. Your failure. We just capitalized....

And its good that you still dream Pakistan will get support from Kashmiris as they have thought before operation gibraltor which was brought into light by Kashmiris. By the only 2 things happen Kashmir either protests by separatists or bomb blast by terrorist. And this is the only thing left there to report and you again make up a perception that whole of Kashmir is with you... Again overestimation as did in 1965 and 1971. I think Indian agencies are doing good to spread the rumor.

 

[bandit]

Betwa Sharma
United Nations, Sep 24 (PTI) In a diplomatic embarrassment to India, maverick Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi says Kashmir should be an "independent state" and that countries like India should not be on board any expanded UN Security Council.
"Kashmir should be an independent state, not Indian, not Pakistani. We should end this conflict. It should be a Ba''athist state between India and Pakistan," the Libyan leader said raising the Kashmir issue in his maiden address to the UN General Assembly yesterday.
Instead of his allotted 15 minutes, Gaddafi Donned in long brown robes and a black hat, spoke for nearly 100 minutes during which he slammed both the US and the United Nations, and described the Security Council as the terrorist council.
Gaddafi opposed the expansion of the UN Security Council by including countries like India which, he said, would spur a "competition" with nations like Pakistan wanting to get in.
In his first speech to the General Assembly, he said opening the doors of the UNSC for big powers would "add more poverty, more injustice, more tension at the world level".
"There would be high competition between Italy, Germany, Indonesia, India, Pakistan, Philippines, Japan, Argentina, Brazil...," Gaddafi said.
Stressing that there must be equality among member states, he noted that since India and Pakistan were both nuclear powers, if India had a seat then Pakistan would want one as well.
"We reject having more seats," said the Libyan leader since it would give "rise to more superpowers, crush the small people."
He also called the Security Council a "council of terror," and demanded a compensation of USD 7.77 trillion for African nations for centuries of colonisation.

Kashmir should be independent state: Gaddafi -  International News ? News ? MSN India

Now the guy wants his say as well....interesting. The guy chewed out delegates for over 90 minutes speaking on everythin under the sky. Seem to remember Reagsan once called him a mad dog.

 

[hardcore]

the world needed his analysis very badly after a such a long time' rightly said by the reporter
lol

 

[Ruag]

Seriously... how can a mad clown "embarrass" the Republic of India?

These news outlets nowadays write anything so as to get the attention of viewers.

 

[EjazR]

Hyderabad army major martyred in Kashmir

HYDERABAD: Major J Suresh Suri, a braveheart from Hyderabad, laid down his life fighting terrorists in a fierce encounter at Baniyari- Sumbal village, 30 km from Bandipora, in North Kashmir on Tuesday.

A resident of Vani Nagar in Malkajgiri, the 30-year-old Major is survived by his wife Pallavi. They were married in August last year. Pallavi, who is studying in Mumbai, has gone to Kashmir a few days ago.

Acting on a tip off that terrorists were taking shelter at a house near Ajas in the region, 13 Rashtriya Rifles and police had cordoned off the area last evening, IGP (Kashmir) Farooq Ahmed told Express.

Defence spokesman Lt Colonel JS Brar said Suri led a team of the Rashtriya Rifles to the house. ‘‘It is a very congested area and our teams took a boat and crossed the Jhelum to reach the militants’ hideout which is in a bylane,’’ he explained.

’’Suri was the first officer to storm into the house. In the battle that followed, Major Suri killed an ultra. He was a brave officer. He died in a hand-to-hand combat. A jawan, Lance Naik Kushal Singh, also died,” Farooq Ahmed said.

Three other Army officers were injured in the gunbattle which ended on Wednesday evening with the death of two terrorists, including Hizbul Mujahideen commander Pasha and Lashkar-e-Toiba member Moosa. Both were from Pakistan. Pasha carried a reward of Rs 10 lakh on his head. Meanwhile, another encounter in a forest in Baramulla left two Armymen and two terrorists dead.

 

[praveen]

he is from Malkajgiri?