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I think Pakistan should seriously take the 26/11.


The Foreign Office, Interior Ministry and the Govt., all have spoken out how serious they are in this regard, time and time again. Unfortunately, it is the Indians who are not serious in this regard.

As for the people of Pakistan, we want all people involved in the 26/11 to be arrested and jailed. The stress here is on involved.


Haffeez Saed


He is an equal citizen under the Law, entitled to a free and fair trial. The problem is, Rehman malik has asked time and time again for credible evidence against him, BUT the Indians have never presented any such thing to us.

If the Indian Govt. brings forth any such material, no one on this earth can prevent Hafiz Saeed from not seeing the full weight of the right hand of LAW.
 
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The Foreign Office, Interior Ministry and the Govt., all have spoken out how serious they are in this regard, time and time again. Unfortunately, it is the Indians who are not serious in this regard.

As for the people of Pakistan, we want all people involved in the 26/11 to be arrested and jailed. The stress here is on involved.



He is an equal citizen under the Law, entitled to a free and fair trial. The problem is, Rehman malik has asked time and time again for credible evidence against him, BUT the Indians have never presented any such thing to us.

If the Indian Govt. brings forth any such material, no one on this earth can prevent Hafiz Saeed from not seeing the full weight of the right hand of LAW.

See it would be unwise to comment on the proof because that has not been shared to common masses. But what the common mass do know that the rest of the world was convinced with the same proofs.
But at the end of the day this media war started only after mumbai attacks.

Anyways we can discuss on the relevant thread for it otherwise it would derail.
 
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Worldview: Kashmir deal could have eased task in Afghanistan | Philadelphia Inquirer | 09/23/2009

When former Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf visited Philadelphia this week, I asked him about the framework for a Kashmir peace that was worked out during his tenure, and whether it could be revived in the future. "We were close," he said in an interview yesterday. "I only wish the two governments would start again. The leaders need to be open-minded and bold."

Indeed, such a peace deal could undercut jihadi groups in the region; it would make Pakistan and Afghanistan more stable.

So what makes Kashmir so important and Musharraf's near miss on peace so sad?

Since India and Pakistan achieved independence in 1947, they have fought three wars over mountainous Kashmir, a disputed territory now divided between them. For decades, Pakistan trained local jihadis to infiltrate the dividing line - known as the Line of Control - and attack Indian soldiers.

These jihadis are now linked with al-Qaeda and eager to provoke a war with India via terror attacks within its borders. The Kashmir dispute also gives the Pakistani military reason to focus more on its eastern border with India than on its border with Afghanistan.

Skeptics claim Pakistanis have little interest in ending this standoff, which provides the huge Pakistani army with its raison d'être. But, contrary to the skeptics, Musharraf sought a paradigm shift in relations with his neighbor.

"I thought we had to have peace for the sake of the entire region, and for India and Pakistan," he said. He added, "We could reap a lot of economic advantages." Once a hard-liner on Kashmir, Musharraf also came to realize that the internal Talibanization of Pakistan had become an existential threat.

So the Pakistani leader authorized secret "back channel" talks by special envoys in hotel rooms in Bangkok, Dubai, and London from 2004 to 2007. The talks got little notice in the U.S. media until a detailed article by South Asia expert Steve Coll in the New Yorker in March 2009.

The envoys worked on a framework for resolving three major boundary disputes. Musharraf said the first two - over the 20,000-foot Siachen glacier and the Sir Creek waterway between India and Pakistan - "could be solved tomorrow."

As for Kashmir, Musharraf devised a compromise for a seemingly intractable problem: India insists it will never negotiate its current Kashmir border, including the Line of Control, and Pakistan insists this is unacceptable.

"I came out with a broad outline," Musharraf said. This included gradual demilitarization of the Line of Control and Kashmiri cities; maximum self-governance on both sides of the line for the Kashmiri people; a joint governing mechanism for Kashmir, to include Pakistanis, Indians, and local Kashmiri leaders; and, most important, a porous Line of Control.

"I wanted to make the Line of Control irrelevant, to open it on six to eight places and let trade flourish," Musharraf said. That way, Pakistan could say the line was finished, and India could say it still existed.

Musharraf had hoped to implement this framework "for 15 years, and then [both sides could] revisit it and see how to move forward." He repeated: "The Line of Control would become almost irrelevant after 15 years."

For a Pakistani leader, this compromise was a daring gesture. I asked Musharraf whether the Pakistani army and Inter Services Intelligence agency would have agreed. His response: "The army and ISI would have 100 percent accepted. They are disciplined organizations."

Sadly, that hypothesis never got tested. Just when both sides were close to a deal, in the spring of 2007, Musharraf fired the chief justice of the Supreme Court (a move he still insists was constitutional). The ensuing domestic furor made it impossible to sell a Kashmir deal to his public and led to Musharraf's August 2008 resignation.

Jihadi groups linked with Kashmir then resurfaced and conducted the November 2008 terrorist outrage in Mumbai. India understandably rejects new peace talks until Pakistan cracks down convincingly on those jihadis. (Musharraf responds that the best way to undercut such groups would be to defuse the Kashmir issue.)

Pakistan's current president, Asif Ali Zardari, would like to resume Kashmir talks but may be too weak. Could we help? Musharraf said, "The United States has a role to play in pushing the process forward."

However, India is wary of any overt U.S. intervention on Kashmir. Yet the importance of a Kashmir deal for regional peace is so huge that the Obama administration should quietly encourage a renewed back channel.

Meantime, one can only mourn what might have been if Musharraf's political misstep hadn't derailed peace prospects. "Yes, it is one of my regrets," Musharraf said pensively.
 
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Agreed, but you bolded out the that part so I thought you deemed it important, that is why I replied to that first :)

That is my personal view.... I mean all roads to peace start with this. Dont take it otherwise but right each and every Indian has the same sentiment. All want peace but 26/11 first.
 
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AFP: 25 hurt as Kashmir police break up Eid protests

SRINAGAR, India — Riot police in Kashmir used tear gas Monday to disperse hundreds of anti-India protesters on Eid al-Fitr, the Islamic festival marking the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.

Riot police in the summer capital Srinagar fired volleys of tear gas shells at Muslim demonstrators chanting "We want freedom" and "Allah is greater", an AFP correspondent saw.

The crowd tried to march to the residence of hardline Kashmiri separatist leader Syed Ali Geelani, who is under house arrest.

They retaliated against the police with stone pelting and over 25 people, including four policemen, were injured in ensuing clashes, a police officer said, refusing to be named.

Several thousand Muslims, including women and children, gathered to offer Eid prayers inside a ground near the "martyrs' graveyard" in Srinagar where many of those killed in the 20-year-old insurgency against Indian rule in the Muslim-majority region are buried.

The region's main moderate separatist leader, Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, used the occasion to urge New Delhi to resolve the long-standing dispute over Kashmiri sovereignty.

Farooq accused New Delhi of being "stubborn" and warned that peace in the sub-continent could only be achieved by "resolving the core issue of Kashmir".

Kashmir is divided between India and Pakistan and claimed by both. The dispute has triggered two wars between the nuclear-armed South Asian rivals.

Separatist groups in Indian-controlled Kashmir are divided between those who favour accession to Pakistan and those demanding Kashmiri independence.

Late Sunday police released five senior separatists, including Aasiya Andrabi, the head of region's leading women separatist group.
"The five were set free on the orders of the chief minister," an official spokesman said, adding it was to allow the separatists to celebrate Eid with their families.

However, senior separatist Shabir Shah continues is still in detention since being arrested in June for leading anti-India rallies.
Indian troops shot dead two militants overnight in northern Kupwara district, bordering Pakistan-ruled Kashmir.

In southern Kulgam district, suspected militants shot dead a 24-year-old woman and wounded her 16-year-old sister, police said.
Bloodshed in the region has declined sharply since India and Pakistan embarked on a peace process in 2004.

The process was suspended after militant attacks last November on India's financial capital Mumbai, which killed 166 people.
 
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i am seriously tired of this whole whining business of IA.its about time to stop complaining and deliver some serious blows....knock out the terrorist launch pads......shell the forward PA posts....have IAF crush the camps....do anything!just stop whining and grow some balls!

i know IA is handicapped by our political leadership without a clear startegic sight.but they can always shell the forward posts and simply deny it like PA does!lets see who whines then.....:frown:

Man this can turn into a war. And for Pakistan will be forced to use nukes because they cannot fight conventionally being very true. And we are not in a state for a nuclear war right now. Even if we are able to defeat Pakistan it will be a loose loose situation for us with the blooming economic downfall. Pakistan has much less to loose right now in case of nuclear fallout even if we respond..
 
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i am seriously tired of this whole whining business of IA.its about time to stop complaining and deliver some serious blows....knock out the terrorist launch pads......shell the forward PA posts....have IAF crush the camps....do anything!just stop whining and grow some balls!

i know IA is handicapped by our political leadership without a clear startegic sight.but they can always shell the forward posts and simply deny it like PA does!lets see who whines then.....:frown:
Maybe that's because the Indian government is lying for showmanship?
 
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i am seriously tired of this whole whining business of IA.its about time to stop complaining and deliver some serious blows....knock out the terrorist launch pads......shell the forward PA posts....have IAF crush the camps....do anything!just stop whining and grow some balls!

i know IA is handicapped by our political leadership without a clear startegic sight.but they can always shell the forward posts and simply deny it like PA does!lets see who whines then.....:frown:

ohhhhhhhhh are we sleeping ? welcome on LOC we are ready.:sniper:
 
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Maybe that's because the Indian government is lying for showmanship?

showmanship is a skill in which pakistan government and PA excells at.we rather believe in delivering the goods( or blows where needed) without much chit chat.its just our political leadership and inempt and incompetent.:rolleyes:
 
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At least some one in Pakistan dared to accept the Jihandi groups against India and terrorism in India...

His concept of porous line can be discussed.
 
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^^^ Very Interesting article Indeed!!!

Somehow Im starting to think that there's bigger powers on both sides that do not want the Kashmir issue resolved......

Asim, what do you think the repercussions would be on both sides if the leaders decide to actually implement such a plan??
Especially from the public point of view?

In the case of Pakistan, I feel this would be possible only with a Military regime as the civilian govt. have been quite weak in Pakistan.
As far as India goes, I feel the opposition parties will create a major storm.....might even lead to protests and internal unrest.......

But definitely the advantages outweight the losses!!!
 
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^^^ Very Interesting article Indeed!!!

Somehow Im starting to think that there's bigger powers on both sides that do not want the Kashmir issue resolved......

Asim, what do you think the repercussions would be on both sides if the leaders decide to actually implement such a plan??
Especially from the public point of view?

In the case of Pakistan, I feel this would be possible only with a Military regime as the civilian govt. have been quite weak in Pakistan.
As far as India goes, I feel the opposition parties will create a major storm.....might even lead to protests and internal unrest.......

But definitely the advantages outweight the losses!!!

But at the same time such a porous nature can be dangerous in terms of separatists and terrorists. You can not keep an eye on everyone crossing the border and on the dispersion.

Right now we have infiltration image how much times will it increase if we make borders porous
 
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But at the same time such a porous nature can be dangerous in terms of separatists and terrorists. You can not keep an eye on everyone crossing the border and on the dispersion.

Right now we have infiltration image how much times will it increase if we make borders porous
Pakistanis would whole heartedly support such a deal. Remember all of Musharraf's proposals were rejected by India. They were even warmly received by Kashmiris, only Indians were rejecting every single proposal.

India wants the status quo to continue, which is just not possible.

The only and only solution to Kashmir is to liberate it, neither Pakistan's nor Indias. That is what the Kashmiris want too. Pakistanis would support that, would Indians?
 
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