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[UnitedPak]

In fact there ae no "Kashmiris" on the Pakistani side because they do not belong to the Kashmiri ethnic group and do not know how to speak the Kashmiri language. All the genuine Kashmiris are on the Indian side.

Nevertheless, it must be noted that even the non-Kashmiri speaking populations who are native to Pakistan occupied Kashmir have been diluted with immigrants from Punjab and NWFP. Obviously, such non-natives and their descendants should have no role in determining the future of Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

Never heard such a silly and simple minded theory on Kashmir before.

India has all the "genuine Kashmiris"??. No offence, but how old are you? Whatever you define as "genuine Kashmiris" it would seem the vast majority want freedom from India.

 

[Peshwa]

My my, no answer and shown to have made an illogical claim so we resort to being rude now eh.

The point remains that the accusation is yours and therefore the burden of proof to substantiate the accusation is also yours. That's bare-bones, simple reasoning - the 'word games' are all yours.

The lack of a census does not establish guilt - it does however suggest that all of the Indians and apologists for the Indian allegations on major demographic changes in the NA's and Azad Kashmir are talking out of their arse since they can't validate their allegations with any evidence.

Either prove your contention or just slink away admitting you can't.

Here you go.....

"A conscious policy of bringing about a change in the demographic composition of the area was initiated by Zia after the success of the Islamic Revolution in Iran in 1979 in order to counter the growing sectarian consciousness of the Shias and their demand for political and economic rights on par with the Sunnis. This change was sought to be brought about by encouraging and facilitating the migration of Sunnis from the other provinces and the Federally-Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) and by re-settling Sunni ex-servicemen in the area. As a result, the Shias and the Ismailis, who constituted about 85 per cent of the population in 1948, today constitute only about 53 per cent of the population. The Sunnis form about 42 per cent and the remaining five per cent belong to other sects of Islam"

"In 1948, the sons of the soil (Ladakhis and Ladakhi-related ethnic groups of various hues) constituted about 80 per cent of the total population. Today, they constitute about 53 per cent. Pashtuns from the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP) constitute about 24 per cent, Punjabis about six per cent, Mirpuris from the *** about three per cent, Pashtuns from the FATA about one per cent, Sindhis and Mohajirs from Sindh about one per cent and Balochs less than one per cent. The provincial and ethnic origin of the remaining 11 per cent is not known."

Now why dont you follow suit to your own advice and counter the claims made in the below link:

UNREST IN GILGIT-BALTISTAN


Also do read up on the Balwaristan National Front and Its Chairman Abdul Hamid Khan who is fighting for independence from Pakistan occupation of Gilgit-Baltistan states that 'The Pakistani administration has also been involved in efforts to alter the demographic profile of Pakistan-occupied Gilgit Baltistan, reducing the indigenous people to a minority"

"The Pakistani administration has also been involved in efforts to alter the demographic profile of Pakistan-occupied Gilgit Baltistan, reducing the indigenous people to a minority. In the Gilgit and Skardu areas, large tracts of land have been allotted to non-locals. Other outsiders have purchased substantial stretches of land since they are, by and large, economically better off than the locals. As of January 2001, the old population ratio of 1:4 (non-locals to locals) had been transformed to 3:4. The rapid induction of Punjabi and Pashtun outsiders has created a sense of acute insecurity among the locals. Balawaristan is also a deprived region in terms of education and infrastructure, and there is only a negligible presence of daily newspapers, radio or TV stations"

Asia Times

In your words "Either prove your contention or just slink away admitting you
can't"
Your turn.....

 

[Peshwa]

No need for a census.....any person can live in AJK but cant become a citizen or vote in kashmir elections.


Non kashmiris living in AJK or any part of pakistan can not buy land in AJK but people from AJK can buy land anywhere in pakistan.



What a silly question.......lets just ask the kashmiris what they want.....india or pakistan

Read my previous post.....

 

[sajan]

Good news indeed. Well anyone have pics of those tunnels?

 

[luoshan]

great news.. one more communication link to the valley...
This will be great for the defense of the kashmir valley in case of hostilities with Pakistan and the lone highway to the valley is damaged.Also, the highway is difficult to navigate during winter. But the train link can be operated all year round.

 

[Y2A]

Just one issue with this. Even Indian agencies can't count and trace all of the Pandits who left for many years. It will be like finding a piece of hay in a gigantic needle stack.

Use a gigantic magnet.

 

[Y2A]

Are you living in 90's? I hope not.

Its really interesting, i am talking about your posture, when ever their is any sort of FLAMING Indo-Pak discussion, indians more often then not are quite habitual of bringing "1971 Bangladesh liberation war" forward, which usually in the perspective of the discussion seems quite irrelevant,,and here, if some one tries to present some sequential glimpses of the facts regarding an ongoing conflict you are literally trying to run away by declaring it as past, probably you guys are still living in 70s i hope not.

Its not new that terrorists rape and kill innocent kashmiri people in Indian army dress to simply create hatred in people.they know they donot have moral support of people as they target common people not only military establishment.

Nice BS, but still BS, its actually other way around, IA personals are quite eager to "present" themselves as freedom fighters and defame their name, little of the guard but reports are that BRAVE COL PROHIT was learning Arabic for "soul satisfaction", beside that you are telling the world that in the presence of 7 hundred thousand troops some "pretenders" are running around wearing official uniforms and doing what you claimed they did, just think about it for a moment, enough evidence has already been provided.

 

[Y2A]

further

People of Kashmir do want to live with India.
Only few people in kashmir vally are not supporting India. Infact they are afraid of militants not the Indian Army that they can not openly support India.

ohh no.. hell is just got frozen, you believe this, have a plebiscite in occupied valley according to the UN resolution and you'll have your ansawer, those "few" people are actually "quite a few" which will ultimately make you sad for the "few" you are talking about, your army is not on picnic in the valley (famous Mush's saying)

These hurriyat people do not have any support of the people or say people do not support hurriyat.

well i can only say kindly review the number of audience present in public demonstrations held by APHC over the years and people's response to their calls, don't be an ostrich, it hurts heads and eyes both.

 

[oct605032048]

is it true or just a joke?

 

[SeaGull]

Do these GIRLS get ranks, uniforms, promotions just like the Army?

 

[Comet]

providing prostitutes to soldiers is semi-official. Army is not providing every soldier with one instead they have sent these prostitutes there and has given soldiers a chance to make friendship with their fellow women soldiers and later have fun.

but I think this would be the dumbest thing to do. this can bring chaos in Army's discipline. not to mention the problems of AIDs, HIV, etc.

 

[iamunique]

Just want to mention a peculiar thing I've noticed about the attitude of Pakistanis about us Indians - The Pakistanis somehow have this idea that we Indians are a morally degraded, cowardly bunch of idiots. It is this overconfident attitude of theirs which has been their downfall in all the major wars they've fought with us. Whether it was '47, '65, '71 or '99 -- they just felt that we 'morally weak' indians wouldn't have the stomach to stand-up to their bravado. But the results are plain for all to see - even after 60 years of constant Pakistani stabbing & backstabbing 'Indian Occupied Kashmir' is still called 'Indian Occupied Kashmir' whereas East Pakistan is called 'Bangladesh'. So all I can say to the Pakistanis is - keep dishing out such reports about us morally debased Indians, more than highlighting the sexual frustration of us Indians it just shows the collective national frustration of the Pakistanis on the Kashmir issue.

P.S: But IF this report IS true, all I would say to the Indian Army soldiers "Have a good f****** time boys, you deserve it!".

 

[Righteous_Fire]

Who says this isnt true or not related to Kashmir!??

This is about the Indian Army and its activities in Kashmir.

I am sorry, but both ways this is directly related to us:

1) The past and present operational activities of the Indian Army against the people who revolt

2) Kashmir is the Sheh Rag (Aorta/Jugular) of Pakistan. If you dont have any feelings for the Poor Kashmiri Women, then I suggest you put your female relatives in perspective and you'll understand the pain of humiliation and torture. as do we for all Hindu women who may suffer rape, humiliation or such. Remember, no one even said Muslim, we said Kashmiri and yes this includes Hindu Kashmiri ladies as well.

Just because it comes from Pakistanis, should not be a cause to reject it outrightly. Brave up to the reality. Yes Heera mandi exists in Lahore, yes it is bad for us But can you even begin to compare it to women who have to undergo the se*** desires and have to satisfy s** starved soldiers far away from home wit the prospect of being killed everyday!!

Here are some more links:

ASIAN DEFENCE: Indian army to deploy prostitutes as women battalion in Held Kashmir??

News - Indian army to deploy prostitutes as women batt...

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Some Real steps to counter this genuine need:

1) If AIDS in the Indian Army and Police is not a serious issue for you visit:

Subitems

it says:

UNAIDS India has highlighted HIV and AIDS as a central issue for India’s police and paramilitary personnel.

and that is coming from the UN

2) If you still Discriminate, Stigmatize and or Deny this, visit:

India : HIV/AIDS related discrimination, stigmatization and denial

where it says:

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India:
HIV and AIDS-related
Discrimination, Stigmatization
and Denial
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(UNAIDS) 2001.
All rights reserved. This document, which is not a formal
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opinion whatsoever on the part of UNAIDS concerning
the legal status of any country, territory, city or area or
of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its
frontiers and boundaries.
The mention of specific companies or of certain
manufacturers’ products does not imply that they are
endorsed or recommended by UNAIDS in preference to
others of a similar nature that are not mentioned. Errors
and omissions excepted, the names of proprietary
products are distinguished by initial capital letters.
UNAIDS/01.46E (English original, August 2001)
ISBN 92-9173-104-8
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Prepared for UNAIDS
by
Shalini Bharat
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with
Peter Aggleton and Paul Tyrer
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UNAIDS Responsible Officer – Miriam Maluwa, Law and Human Rights Adviser.
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India:
HIV and AIDS-related
Discrimination,
Stigmatization and
Denial
India:
HIV and AIDS-related
Discrimination,
Stigmatization and
Denial


3) The Personnel of the IA or Police are ordinary human beings. S** like other faculties is a basic need for any human being. Instead of artificially arranging ways to quiet it down or blunt it, do the right natural thing. Give them appropriate leave to visit their own homes. Wouldnt it be nice for a father, husband, son of the IA or Police to nurture his home rather than wasting his faculties on a process that is riddled with disease and shame??

PS AIDS is a reality!! dont hide from it!! Face it and Prevent it, whether you are an Indian or a Pakistani. And I am saying this as a Medical Doctor not as an Indian Hating Pakistani

 

[bigmoneymaker]

best to have indian army exhausted at doing sex..... the army should have healthy amusement to divert their sexual drive that weaken the morale and disciplines of the strong will army.....like nurture the ability to perceive traditional music and keep on progressive views on the current situations, which in return also nurture army patriotic love towards indigenious culture and local people......if this news is true, how can you push back invaders....please tell me

 

[blueoval79]

MODS ARE sleeping...i guess...ar have you people stated enjoying ...people disrespecting wome soldiers....speaks loads about Pakistani menatlity....