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Kashmiris want Azadi from India, fact.

1- Did you take personal interviews of each one of them to arrive at this conclusion ?

2- What is the process of demanding freedom from a free country ?

3- All the Kashmiris I came across want to be with India and want to get rid of foreign militancy in their home state. Fact.
 
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and Kashmiris will continue to revolt......Professors will continue to ask the pupils such relevant questions.

rest of your post was cheap ad-hominem garbage; no need to delve further

The alleged "relevant" question is about a passage for punctuations. It is an imaginary conversation with god and a disciple. That passage is not the creation of Prof. T J Joseph. The excerpts in the question paper was taken from Page number -58 of the book Thirakathayude Neethesastram ( Screen Play Book) by PT Kunju Muhammad. ( a Muslim writer- who is an Ex MLA – member of the Communist Party of India- Marxist). The text book is an approved text by the Mahatma Gandhi University. The professor had shortened the name from "PT Kunju Muhammad" to just "Muhammad".
 
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Kashmiris want Azadi from India, fact.

unfortunately they cant get it....its the ground reality if u accept or dont. militancy, peaceful struggle, etc.......wudnt make any difference at all.

india has strategic interest in kashmir. it wont pull back even an inch from the LOC. if kashmiris cooperate then they will get a beautiful life amalgamated with development and growth in india.....

now the choice is urs!

trying for impossible isnt a sane idea !
 
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Sorry to raise this question here also.(I have also posted in the Suggestions & Discussions)

What happened t the old format of having a Kashmir sub-forum under Strategic and Geopolitical issues. ?

This current form looks totally messy and chaotic with all the different replies to different poster in different threads under a single thread.

Please revert back the original scheme. It was my MOST viewed section and I miss it already.:cry::frown::cry:
 
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^^ maybe they want you out of the forum :D

No Kashmiri fighting today?
 
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India taking necessary measures to protect human rights: Ban Ki-moon

UNITED NATIONS: India is taking necessary measures to ensure stability, prevent violence and protect human rights in Kashmir , UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon has said.

"I understand that there have been discussions between India and Pakistan on all matters, including this Kashmir issue," Ban said at his annual year-end press conference here yesterday.

"Leaders of the Indian Government have also been discussing among themselves and taking necessary measures, first of all, to ensure the stability and prevent violence there and also protect human rights," the UN Secretary General said.

Ban's remarks came after he was asked about allegations of human rights violations in Kashmir.

"I think that for that (alleged human rights violations) issue, my Spokesperson has been answering many times and I think I also gave my answer to that.

"I would like to find out about specific cases - I am not aware but maybe I'll have my Spokesperson let you know," Ban said when asked about allegations of torture in jails.

India taking necessary measures to protect human rights: Ban Ki-moon - The Economic Times
 
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Torture tales: Leak singes India on Kashmir


New Delhi Rejects Red Cross Allegations Of Rights Abuse In J&K

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New Delhi: In a sharp and quick response to the WikiLeak disclosure about International Committee of Red Cross (ICRC) accusing India of committing atrocities in J&K, New Delhi said, there are legal mechanisms in the country to look into any “aberration”.

The foreign ministry emphasised in a statement that India is an open and democratic nation, which adheres to the rule of law.

“If and when and aberration occurs, it is promptly and firmly dealt with under existing legal mechanisms, in an effective and transparent manner. In India, there is a healthy tradition of democratic debate and freedom of expression on all issues that concern the welfare of our citizens anywhere in our country,” it said.

“Neither have we shied away from an open and candid discussion on such issues when raised by our international friends and partners,” it added.

Indian reaction came in response to one of the secret US embassy cables, released by WikiLeaks on late Thursday night. The cable says, “The ICRC, which communicates its findings only to the government and shuns publicity, briefed American diplomats on widespread severe torture in Indian prisons in Kashmir between 2002 and 2004. The humanitarian organisation argued that the Indian government ‘condoned’ the mistreatment, but pointed nonetheless to some signs of progress otherwise”.

The cable mentions that the ICRC staff made 177 visits to detention centres in Jammu and Kashmir and elsewhere (primarily the north-east) between 2002-04, and met 1,491 detainees — of which 1,296 were private interviews.


In 852 cases, detainees reported what ICRC refers to as “IT” (ill-treatment); 171 persons were beaten, the remaining 681 subjected to one or more of six forms of torture: electricity (498 cases), suspension from ceiling (381), roller (a round metal object put on the thighs of sitting person, which prison personnel then sit on, crushing muscles —294); stretching (legs split 180 degrees — 181); water (various forms — 234) or sexual (302).

“The ICRC stressed that all the branches of the security forces used these forms of IT and torture,” says the leaked cable of US embassy from New Delhi.

The cables of 2006 and 2007 show that US diplomats were concerned about widespread human rights abuses by Indian security forces, who they said relied on torture for confession.

Al-Qaida supremo Osama Bin Laden had promised jihadis fighting in Kashmir that they will not “run short of funds” and was willing to “divert” $20 million to support Kashmir-oriented militancy, Indian officials were quoted as telling US diplomats by WikiLeaks. In a cable dated May 24, 2006 containing the details of a Joint Working Group meeting in Washington published by WikiLeaks, MEA additional secretary K C Singh was quoted as saying that India is now more prominent on al-Qaida’s radar. PTI



ToI feed dated 18 Dec 2010.
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UN help for kin of missing Kashmiris

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Srinagar, Jan. 2: The human rights wing of the UN has chipped in to help the families of Kashmiris who have been missing for the past two decades after the security forces allegedly picked them up.

The UN’s Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights has selected the Srinagar-based Association of Parents of Disappeared Persons (APDP) for a grant under its voluntary fund for victims of torture.

“The project will be implemented through the APDP. We have to undertake a survey to ascertain the number of disappeared persons across the state. Each case will be documented and we will also come to know the circumstances under which they disappeared or details of the agency (responsible for) their disappearance,” Zahoor Wani, the project coordinator, said.

The survey has started in the Srinagar and Kupwara districts. “The entire survey across the Valley will take six months. It will later be extended to Jammu,” Wani said.

The APDP believes that some 8,000 men have disappeared in the Valley, mostly while they were in security forces custody.

This is the first time that a UN body has come forward to help the families. New Delhi is averse to “outside interference” on Kashmir and has denied international human rights groups access to the state.

“No family will be provided any cash assistance but the UN body can arrange legal and medical assistance. Additionally, the educational requirements of the children of the victims can also be arranged,” Wani said.

The APDP has been fighting for years to trace the people who have disappeared. It has demanded that a commission be set up to probe the disappearances.

“Our estimates are that some 8,000 men have gone missing in custody while the government puts that number at around 3,000. A survey approved by the UN will have more teeth and will help us pressure New Delhi into setting up a commission to probe these disappearances,” an official said.

The state government, however, has variously estimated the number of the missing, from a few hundred to 3,429. It claims that many of them have crossed the border to receive arms training.

Ghulam Mohammad Bazaz, an elderly Srinagar resident, said he was happy that a UN body had come to the aid of those like him.

“The BSF arrested my son Sajjad in 1992 but never officially admitted it. For the last 18 years, I have been fighting unsuccessfully to trace him. I want the UN to pressure India into punishing those who subjected my son to enforced disappearance,” he said.
 
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Hurriyat leader says ‘end lies’, our own killed Lone, Mirwaiz Sr​

In the first such admission by a separatist leader in the state, top Hurriyat leader Prof Abdul Ghani Bhat said here today that Abdul Ghani Lone and Maulvi Farooq weren’t killed by government forces but “their own people”.

“Time has come to speak the truth. Neither the Army nor the police killed Lone sahib and Maulvi Farooq sahib but our own people,” Bhat said while addressing a seminar on the role of intellectuals in the separatist movement.

Hurriyat chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, the son of Maulvi Farooq, didn’t contradict Bhat in his subsequent speech, and neither did Bilal Lone, the son of Abdul Ghani Lone.

“This movement started with the assassinations of thinkers and the people who held an opinion,” Bhat said, adding that if the separatist movement had to get anywhere, its leaders in the state needed to take into account their own follies.

“We have to first accept and speak the truth about ourselves. We can’t build a movement on lies,” Bhat said in what may be one of the boldest criticisms of the separatist movement. A former Hurriyat chairman, Bhat is a moderate separatist and one of the ideologues of the conglomerate.

Maulvi Farooq and Lone were killed in 1990 and 2002, respectively.

The seminar was organised by the JKLF in the memory of academician Abdul Ahad Wani, a JKLF ideologue who was also assassinated by unidentified gunmen in December 1993.

Bhat said Wani too was the victim of “mutual rivalry” between militant organisations. “India didn’t kill him either.”

Bhat also obliquely took on Hurriyat hawk Syed Ali Shah Geelani, saying the policy of hartals and martyrdom, without any strategy, had only damaged the Kashmir cause. “There was a hartal for five months and 112 people died. And at the end of it there is nothing by way of achievement. This is what happens when there is no thinking, no strategy,” Bhat said. “If you want to rid people of Kashmir of sentimentalism bordering on insanity, you have to speak the truth.”

Criticising deaths of people in endless strikes, Bhat said: “These leaders still hail these sacrifices as if their only purpose is to get people killed... for the sake of it.”

Ruling out unity between the Hurriyat factions, he said the Geelani camp only wanted a “unity of hegemony”. “We are ready for unity. But if it is unity for dominance and unity for aggrandisement, we don’t want it,” Bhat said, referring to Geelani’s insistence that his hardline policies on Kashmir be the agenda of a united separatist alliance


He criticised Geelani for rejecting a dialogue with the Centre when it comes to other separatists, but expressing himself game for it. “When Geelani sahib meets parliamentarians, it is okay. When we do it, we are infidels,” Bhat said. “This dichotomy in Kashmir politics has to go.”

Hurriyat leader says ‘end lies’, our own killed Lone, Mirwaiz Sr
 
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Separatists got Kashmiri leaders shot: Prof. Abdul Gani Bhat


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For the first time in the 20-year-long period of insurgency in Kashmir, a votary of the secessionist movement has made a brutally frank confession about the killing of some prominent men of his own ilk.


Abdul Gani Bhat (left) made the damning revelations at a seminar organised by the JKLF.
Prof. Abdul Gani Bhat, a leader of the Hurriyat Conference's moderate faction, categorically said on Sunday that the security forces had played no role in the killings of separatist leaders Mirwaiz Maulvi Muhammad Farooq and Abdul Gani Lone as well as Jammu and Kashmir Liberation Front (JKLF) ideologue Prof. Abdul Ahad Wani.
Instead, he pointed an accusing finger towards an insider hand. "Lone sahib, Mirwaiz Farooq and Prof. Wani were not killed by the army or the police. They were targeted by our own people. The story is a long one, but we have to tell the truth," he said candidly. Bhat, however, did not elaborate on what had transpired when the murders took place. He also did not mention the name of any terrorist group which killed them.

The separatist leader made these comments while addressing a seminar on 'Role of intellectuals in the Kashmir movement'. The day-long meet was organised at a local hotel by JKLF chairman Muhammad Yasin Malik to commemorate Wani's death anniversary. The three leaders were slain in separate incidents, and on each occasion, the locals as well as secessionists had claimed that the security forces had taken them out.

On May 21, 1990, unidentified gunmen barged into the downtown Srinagar residence of Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq - the father of Hurriyat Conference chairman Mirwaiz Umar Farooq - and assassinated him. Later, scores of people were killed when CRPF personnel fired upon his funeral procession near Islamia College in Srinagar.

Human rights groups claim that around 60 people were killed in the firing and hundreds of others sustained injuries. The separatists were quick to accuse the security forces of having carried out the murderous attack on the Mirwaiz. The firing on the mourners reinforced the ordinary Kashmiri's suspicions.

However, a TADA court jailed former militant Muhammad Ayub Dar last year for the killing. The CBI charge sheet said Dar, along with two other terrorists, shot the Mirwaiz. Its charge sheet named five Hizbul commanders also.

Wani was killed on December 31, 1993, by unknown gunmen. He was a professor of law in Kashmir University and an advocate of the JKLF's views. The academic was in the vicinity of the Hazratbal shrine en route to the university when he was shot.

Moderate Hurriyat Conference leader Lone, the father of Sajjad (the first separatist leader to stand in a general election) and Bilal, was killed on May 21 in 2002. He was gunned down by unidentified assailants at a rally to mark the death anniversary of Mirwaiz Maulvi Farooq at Eidgah ground in old Srinagar city.

The leader was fired upon seconds before the ceremony was to end. Bhat, then the Hurriyat Conference chairman, was also present at the rally. No charge sheet was filed either in the case of Wani's or Lone's killings.

Speaking at the meet on Sunday, Bhat, a professor of Persian at Sopore Degree College, said: "If you want to free the people of Kashmir from sentimentalism bordering on insanity, you have to speak the truth. Former Prime Minister of Pakistan Zulfikar Ali Bhutto once said that sometimes truth escapes the mouth. Here I am letting it out." He said the present movement against India was started by "us killing our intellectuals".

Bhat added: "Wherever we found an intellectual, we ended up killing him. Let us ask ourselves: was Prof Wani a martyr of brilliance or a martyr of rivalry?" Taking potshots at the hardline Hurriyat faction led by Syed Ali Shah Geelani, he said: "On the one hand, he (Geelani) refuses to talk to India and, on the other hand, he talks with the Indian parliamentarians. These contradictions will have to go." Slamming the rival group for adopting double standards, he said: "When we entered into talks with New Delhi, we were accused of being kafir (non-Muslim), and when you (the hardliners) talk you get away scot-free. This dichotomy in Kashmir politics should end."

Bhat refused to be a part of any unity process between the separatist groups initiated by Umar Farooq. He said he would not be associated with any such move that would mean the "hegemony or aggrandisement of any person", making an oblique reference to Geelani.

Significantly, he was the chairman of the Hurriyat Conference when it was split into the hardline and moderate factions.

He said in the five months during which a strike was observed this summer, the Kashmiris did not achieve anything. He added that the local intellectuals refrained from writing on the issue.

Bhat, who has travelled to Pakistan many times during the past two decades, said the neighbouring country would not fight a war over Kashmir with India. "It is unlikely as both the nations understand its consequences." He also ruled out an armed movement against India in Kashmir, saying: "It will not have support from any quarter." "What next? We should do the talking," he said.

Spelling out the benefits of holding a dialogue, he said negotiation was an art and the right way to move forward.

Umar Farooq, who spoke after Bhat, however, did not even broach the issue.

Earlier, Malik, in his address, said Sheikh Muhammad Abdullah was the tallest leader Kashmir produced in the past 63 years. But he said the Kashmir conflict dwarfed even the Sheikh.

"This holds true for all of us. Not one among the present crop of leaders should think that we are above Kashmir," he said.

Malik felt that in the past six decades, the Kashmiris had gained nothing.

"We have given sacrifices and gone through bitter experiences. But there has been no achievement," he said.

Separatists got Kashmiri leaders shot: Prof. Abdul Gani Bhat: LATEST HEADLINES : India Today
 
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