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[sergente rehan]

All the indian memebres clearly ignore the ground reality and told us to see it! it's really left me speechless....how could they didn't made it?

And what a big hypocrisy showing up some protestants going agaisnt the armed police and militry personal and ignoring completly the massacre, raping and all the horrible acts against the innocent civilians!

The only area where the civilians are brutally oppressed and killed is indian occupied Kashmire not the pakistani or chinese side.

 

[RamGorur]

well! those seperatists arent outsiders, they are Kashmiri citizens....you arent.

therefore what you have to say about them, or for them is irrelevant at this point.

Well there is no such thing as Kashmiri 'citizens'. You are either Indian citizen or you are not. Since as per Indian constitution Kashmir is an integral part of India and since by all canons of international law, territorial integrity is non-negotiable, we, the 'outsiders' are very much relevant to the question of Kashmir solution.

Also, the Government of India is not an alien entity from Pluto. They represent us, the 'outsiders' as well as the 'insiders', and are selected by us, the 'outsiders' and the 'insiders'. So any time you are negotiating with Indian Government, you are actually negotiating with us. That's Democracy 101 for you.

Try again, tiger.

Perhaps over a longer period of time the occupational forces will lose the will to keep their artificial hold over lands (and people) that are not indian, have no loyalty/affiliation to hindustan

it makes no sense to try to control people that genuinely hate the occupation

Some Baluchistanis also do not consider themselves as Pakistanis. What are your plans for them?

 

[brahmastra]

well! those seperatists arent outsiders, they are Kashmiri citizens....you arent.

therefore what you have to say about them, or for them is irrelevant at this point.

Perhaps over a longer period of time the occupational forces will lose the will to keep their artificial hold over lands (and people) that are not indian, have no loyalty/affiliation to hindustan


it makes no sense to try to control people that genuinely hate the occupation

you need to wake up from your dream about Indian kashmir .
those stone throwers (of course paid) are only in 7 towns of 3 district of entire Jammu and Kashmir.they are not even 5% of entire population of J&K.

meanwhile. there are are news from J&K that now shop owners and workers who earn on day to day bases started pelting stones on paid stone throwers. Isn't it good?

 

[brahmastra]

its laughable when pakistani says to hold 'Referendum in Kashmir' without fulfilling pre-conditions by pakistanyes.

 

[do_more]

Even afghanistan is asking to impose sanction on pakistan.

 

[third eye]

Where is the relevance of referendum when J&K does not exist in its original form ?

Parts of it are with India, Pak, China and parts ceded by Pak to China. We simply have to reconcile to our geography and move on . Nothing has changed on the ground nor ever will.

 

[absolute_nutter]

All the indian memebres clearly ignore the ground reality and told us to see it! it's really left me speechless....how could they didn't made it?

And what a big hypocrisy showing up some protestants going agaisnt the armed police and militry personal and ignoring completly the massacre, raping and all the horrible acts against the innocent civilians!

Protests happen only in kashmir valley which has predominantly muslim population which is obviously influenced by pro-pakistani separatists. There are other parts to Jammu and Kashmir. There aren't any protests there.

The only area where the civilians are brutally oppressed and killed is indian occupied Kashmire not the pakistani or chinese side.

In pakistan occupied kashmir, people adopted gun culture. They need no security force to kill when they kill among themselves.

 

[karan.1970]

9 militants killed in Uri Lastupdate:- Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

Varmul, Aug 30: Army on Monday claimed to have foiled an infiltration bid by killing nine militants in Uri sector of north Kashmir’s Varmul district.
Defence spokesman Lt. Col J.S. Brar told Greater Kashmir that last evening troopers noticed movement of militants who were trying to sneak into this side of Line of Control.
“On being challenged the militants opened fire which was retailed, triggering a gunfight and so far nine militants have been killed,” he said, adding that operation was continuing.
Police sources said that troopers of 2nd Raj Rifles noticed movement of militants in Baba Gali, Behak Litter, area of Boniyar last evening. Searches have been spread to vast area to look for more militants who are said to be part of the group.
“The operation has been called off to retrieve bodies of the militants. It may take some time as live ammunition is tied to the bodies of the slain militants,” Senior Superintendent of Police, Varmul, Mansoor Ahmad Untoo told Greater Kashmir.
Another gunfight broke out in Vijay Nallah area of Athwato Bandipora this evening.
Police sources said that the encounter started after troops of 9-Para intercepted a group of three to four militants. “So far there is no causality on any side,” sources said.

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I know there will be standard claims by Pakistani members about fake encounters and innocent deaths, but looks like something big is going down. May be a payback for instigating recent Kashmir incidents. (At least the Indian establishment believes that)


EDIT: Made it a separate thread since the encounter was significantly bigger than the normal 2-3 infiltrators getting killed.

 

[anathema]

9 militants killed in Uri Lastupdate:- Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:30:00 GMT GreaterKashmir.com

Varmul, Aug 30: Army on Monday claimed to have foiled an infiltration bid by killing nine militants in Uri sector of north Kashmir’s Varmul district.
Defence spokesman Lt. Col J.S. Brar told Greater Kashmir that last evening troopers noticed movement of militants who were trying to sneak into this side of Line of Control.
“On being challenged the militants opened fire which was retailed, triggering a gunfight and so far nine militants have been killed,” he said, adding that operation was continuing.
Police sources said that troopers of 2nd Raj Rifles noticed movement of militants in Baba Gali, Behak Litter, area of Boniyar last evening. Searches have been spread to vast area to look for more militants who are said to be part of the group.
“The operation has been called off to retrieve bodies of the militants. It may take some time as live ammunition is tied to the bodies of the slain militants,” Senior Superintendent of Police, Varmul, Mansoor Ahmad Untoo told Greater Kashmir.
Another gunfight broke out in Vijay Nallah area of Athwato Bandipora this evening.
Police sources said that the encounter started after troops of 9-Para intercepted a group of three to four militants. “So far there is no causality on any side,” sources said.

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I know there will be standard claims by Pakistani members about fake encounters and innocent deaths, but looks like something big is going down. May be a payback for instigating recent Kashmir incidents. (At least the Indian establishment believes that)


EDIT: Made it a separate thread since the encounter was significantly bigger than the normal 2-3 infiltrators getting killed.

9 ?? Thats a pretty significant number.....good ridance....and all i can see is the Israeli surveillance is working pretty well....

 

[karan.1970]

There seems to be another encounter also under way.. 4 terrorists cordoned off..

 

[Gentle Typhoon]

We Feel Completely Safe: Sikh-Kashmiris

We will not leave Kashmir and Kashmiriyat at any cost.

The communal harmony and brotherhood for which Kashmir is known for, was once again witnessed when Muslims chased away some miscreants who pelted stones on two Sikh houses in the Jawahar Nagar area in uptown Srinagar (Kashmir) on Saturday evening (August 21, 2010). The residents of Rainawari have also offered protection and security to the Sikhs.

According to locals, some unidentified persons pelted stones on two houses near DAV School, Jawahar Nagar, late in the evening. The owners of the houses called their Muslim neighbors, who came out with sticks and chased away the miscreants.

"The miscreants wanted to add to the tension in the wake of anonymous threatening letters. They fled away on seeing people in large numbers with sticks," said Muhammad Lateef Dar, a local.

In order to create a sense of security among the Sikhs, some of the Muslim neighbors slept on the balconies of the houses which were targeted by the miscreants.

In the morning, the mohalla committee members gathered and strongly condemned the incident. "The Committee constituted a team to find the elements involved in the incident. The committee will also monitor the safety of the Sikh community in the area during the night hours," the locals said.

Meanwhile, the Sikh population of the area has hailed the efforts of the Muslim community. "We feel completely safe and protected as long as our Muslim brothers are with us. We know some miscreants want to create confusion and disturb the communal harmony," said Harvinder Singh, a local.

However, police denied any such incident and termed it as "planned effort" to create panic in the area.

"There was no protest or stone pelting in the area from which it can be gauged that minority community was targeted. A boy had thrown a stone unintentionally which broke the glass pane and there was nothing else," said SHO Rajbagh Suhail Ahmad.

He said he personally went to the spot and offered security to the Sikhs living there but they refused it. "I even told them if they wanted to lodge an FIR, police will register it, but they refused. Some miscreants want to give an unhealthy touch to it, which won't be allowed at any cost," he added.

Meanwhile, people in Rainawari visited the houses of Sikhs and offered security to them. People told them not to feel scared in the prevailing situation. "Some miscreants want to create communal divide between the two communities and this won't be allowed at any cost," the Sikhs were told and assured of full protection and security.

The Sikh community members reposed their faith in their Muslim neighbours.

 

[BATMAN]

^^ Not really, their are so many different replies to my query and non is answering the question!
How can her son perform his fundamental religious obligations if he is not allowed passport.

As long the criminal record against his mother is concerned all sound fake.
She has a history of suffering by the hands of Indian army and has been courageous enough to raise her voice.

It is violation of basic and women rights by state on the basis of religion.
world should take notice of this stately hypocrisy.

 

[sab]

Why should she not be allowed to have passport for her son?
Just because he is a Muslim?
What if he wish to go for Hajj?
It is about time that Muslims in India should fight for a separate home land, if state refuse them their basic rights and no religious freedom.

OOOPsssss..............GOI cant allow them to contaminate the sacred land of our holly place......so they can not be given passport.

Stop lecturing for Muslims in India...We are far better here than your holy soil...

Religious freedom doesnt mean one should dictate others to use purdah or not to send girls in school. These types of leaders are present everywhere who ask boys of others to give blood (to go to street and pelt stones and get shot )while sending away their own children to foreign far from the fire they set.

 

[calcutta]

the warhead of a agni should be removed-this hypocrite stuffed into it and it should be fired west [preferably on the ISI headquarters] with a note on it "come to receive my monthly payment"

 

[Mohammed Irfan]

^^ Not really, their are so many different replies to my query and non is answering the question!
How can her son perform his fundamental religious obligations if he is not allowed passport.

As long the criminal record against his mother is concerned all sound fake.
She has a history of suffering by the hands of Indian army and has been courageous enough to raise her voice.

It is violation of basic and women rights by state on the basis of religion.
world should take notice of this stately hypocrisy.

if your only question is how can her son perform hajj without passport then let me give you the answer. According to Islam he can send someone else for hajj on his behalf. as he is unable to travel there without passport. i hope this answer your main question.

anyways the thread is not about her son going for hajj so do not try to bring hajj over here and if you are really so much concerned about the fundamental obligation of muslims then there are 170 million muslims in pakistan and out of which atleast 70% of them may not be able to peform hajj due to passport or finacian issue. so I woud recommond you to look after them first and then think about muslims in India ( and India includes kashmir).