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[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

^^^
Peaceful being the operative term,

From the tribal invasion in 48, to operation Gibraltor in 65, support to militant in the 90s and Kargil war in 98, the peaceful solution was never given a chance. It takes time to build up to the peaceful solution and every violent act excludes the settlement of the problem.

You left out the Indian invasion of Junagadh, the invasion of Siachen and Indian support for terrorists and insurgents in East Pakistan and subsequent invasion there.

But when India herself violates her commitment to plebiscite and declares that the LoC shoudl be made the border, without any resort to the Kashmiris opinion, then it is India herself that is moving away from 'political settlement'.

In this case, three Kuwaiti MPs were present in the conference out of the entire 100+ Kuwaiti parliament. It is there right to speak and air their opinion, however from their statements they seem to not know the complex nature of the conflict and have a one-sided view. The government of Kuwait however probably will have a more nuanced approach. There is no doubt that many people want the settlement of this issue. Many Indians including the govt. wants a settlement of the issue. But this can be made only in an atmosphere of peace.

Case in point is the post 2003 era under Musharraf where all support to militants was stopped and peaceful era ushered in Indian side of Kashmir. As per Kasuri, a settlement was almost done and just had to be signed. However, the judicial crisis and later the Mumbai attacks scuttled that solution.

So its not like India is not trying to even solve the issue. All PM whether it be the BJP led govt. or Congress led govt. have tried to solve the issue inspite of several provocations in contrary to the peaceful settlement agreement. Even now, the official GoI position is, just convict the Mumbai attack planners and we will talk on all issues including Kashmir.

I disagree that the Indian side has ever been interested in anything except prolonging negotiations - I have my suspicions over the cancellation of the talks with Musharraf just when they were about to be finalized as well. India chose a domestic issue in Pakistan to cancel the talks, that to me sounds suspiciously like a pretext to stop negotiations and end any forward movement.

 

[brahmastra]

That would also include the Indian State for not implementing its commitment and promise of plebiscite for 63 years.

fulfilling all preconditions of 63 year old plebiscite is not possible for both India and Pakistan. So, its not possible.
Either India and Pakistan should free both Kashmir or accept LOC as IB.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

fulfilling all preconditions of 63 year old plebiscite is not possible for both India and Pakistan. So, its not possible.
Either India and Pakistan should free both Kashmir or accept LOC as IB.

Yes it is completely possible - the UN merely needs to be allowed in to verify voter lists of residents and validate and register those who have migrated (Kashmiri pandits and the millions of Kashmiris settled abroad).

This is not a major issue but an excuse invented by Indians to not allow the Kashmiris to exercise their right to self-determination.

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Gilani says Kashmir is not part of India ​

Written by MTT News Desk
Tuesday, 17 August 2010 17:46

Srinagar, August 17, 2010: The Chairman of APHC, Syed Ali Gilani has denounced the recent statement of Indian Prime Minister, in which he described Jammu and Kashmir as integral part of India.

Syed Ali Gilani said that the statement does not reflect the ground realities and thus, unrealistic.

The APHC Chairman was talking to the media in Srinagar. While commenting on the satement of Indian PM, he further said that Jammu and Kashmir is internationally recognised disputed territory and its future was yet to be decided. He said that such assertions were aimed at hoodwinking the international community and this approach posed a threat to the regional and world peace.

The Jamaat-e-Islami in occupied Kashmir, JKLF-R and Mahaz-e-Azadi also took strong exception to the assertion of Indian Prime Minister.

Kashmiri uprising against illegal Indian occupation continues for the third month in a row. people took to the streets in Maisuma, Dargah Hazratbal, Bimna, Naid Khai, Mattan, Islamabad, Pulwama, Tral, Awantipora and Bandipora areas and staged anti-India demonstrations. Indian forces resorted to firing, excessive teargas shelling and heavy baton charge to disperse the demonstrator at many places, injuring over a dozen of people. The occupation authorities imposed curfew in Awantipora, Taral, Pulwama, Mattan, Islamabad and several localities of Srinagar.

A youth, who was injured when Indian troops resorted to brute force against demonstrators at Mattan in Islamabad on Friday, succumbed to his injuries at a hospital in Srinagar, today.

Complete shutdown continued for the fifth consecutive day, today, in Banihal tehsil of Ramban district in protest against the arrest of youth by Indian police.

The lawyers in Srinagar continued to boycott the court proceedings, today, to protest the continued illegal detention of the President of High Court Bar Association, Mian Abdul Qayoom and General Secretary, Ghulam Nabi Shaheen. The lawyers assembled in the lower court complex and staged a silent sit-in.

Gilani says Kashmir is not part of India

 

[Ghareeb_Da_Baal]

M.A? ...... he is that A-hole.... used to be on fauxnews.
Someone mentioned he he Merzai , not sure if that has
anything to do with what he says at times.

 

[brahmastra]

You left out the Indian invasion of Junagadh, the invasion of Siachen and Indian support for terrorists and insurgents in East Pakistan and subsequent invasion there.

Indian invasion of Junagadh,Siachen happened after you invaded Kashmir. you have no moral ground to talk about Junagadh, Siachen and Haydrabad.

 

[brahmastra]

Who is Gilani to decide it.
Does Gilani know that P-0-K is not part of pakistan as per pakistani constitution.

only 3 district of entire kashmir has suffered violence. People do complete shutdown because they don't have choice. if they don't do then those terrorist will burn their shops and it happened in past many times.

 

[ambidex]

1. Junagarh
nothing to do with Kashmir.
2. Siachen
no influence on socio political status of Kashmir. soft conflict.
3. Bangladesh
again nothing to do with kashmir_India never bargained 1972 victory for Kashmir.

 

[PakSher]

Good Job Gilani. Kashmir is part of greater Pakistan soon.

 

[desiman]

WE DONT CARE, GET IT

 

[FreekiN]

WE DONT CARE, GET IT

And they don't care when Mr. Singh says Kashmir is an 'integral part' of India.

 

[brahmastra]

lets not go off topic and stick to the main topic.
we got whole thread about this UNSC plebiscite is possible or not.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Indian invasion of Junagadh,Siachen happened after you invaded Kashmir. you have no moral ground to talk about Junagadh, Siachen and Haydrabad.

Indian forces were in clashing with the Nawab's forces in October 1947, for all intents and purposes Indian intervention either preceded the Tribal invasion or was around the same time, hence it is very valid to raise Jungadh when Indians start moaning about Pakistani military action in J&K in 1947.

And Siachen preceded Kargil, so it is very relevant in terms of Indians raising the issue of Kargil.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

1. Junagarh
nothing to do with Kashmir.
2. Siachen
no influence on socio political status of Kashmir. soft conflict.
3. Bangladesh
again nothing to do with kashmir_India never bargained 1972 victory for Kashmir.

All three debunk the canards of 'Pakistan alone has used military force' and 'India has never been an aggressor', hence they are very valid when Indians moan and complain about Pakistani military intervention in J&K and Kargil.

 

[anathema]

As years go by ...As new generations come...as government carries out developmental activities.....you will suddenly find that Kashmir has become an integral part of India --just as it was... Nothing did and nothing will change it.

Thanks.