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[Developereo]

Do you really think that even if all the Muslim countries put diplomatic pressure, India will cave in? With a huge Indian population at hand? Nah, man!

To play the India/Muslim card India should not have Muslims at all.

After thinking about it I agree that Pakistan should not play this card.
Not because it wouldn't work. I think it would work and achieve Kashmir's liberation, but the cost would be too high for Indian Muslims.

First, in an India v/s Muslims confrontation, the Indian Muslims would be put in a very difficult position -- not least because anti-Muslim elements within India would exploit the situation.

And also, no matter which way the conflict was resolved, especially if Kashmir became independent as a result of Muslim pressure, the Indian Muslims would forever be punished for it by the rest of India.

But maybe it can be done in a roundabout way. Saudi Arabia nudging Uncle, Pakistan nudging the Panda, OPEC nudging the Bear, and everybody breathing down India's neck. I admit it's a long shot, but we may have to find a non-military, non-UN solution.

 

[IndianSuperpower]

Muslim card is irrelevant. Its long been established that Kashmiris do not want India, and never have




Those in the services know first-hand how "Indian" Kashmiris actually feel. This is how they "integrate" I guess.

To the same extent we can post the pictures where the Kashmiris have wanted India........... So such pictures would be neutralized. Just need to google a little. So these claims cannot be used as a bargaining point along with Indian influential stand will force them to be neutral. There are always 2 sides of a coin.

 

[graphican]

Oh that 4 - India-Pak war theory, right? Didnt you already lose the fourth war? Or was it fifth? '71 was the third, '84 Siachen (nobody seems to remember that one) was the fourth and more recently Kargil in '99. Ouch!

If you wana count, there has been 2 so far. 65 and 71. Even Kargil and 84 are conflicts not the full-scale wars. War doesn't mean a disturbed post or sector. So there has been two not 4.

 

[graphican]

Why dont you guys include Ghazwatulhind in your state policy if you are so obessed about it and are so damn confident that yes its a reality like we had 2000 world end, 2012 theories and others. It would be great to say to the international community that we are going to attack India because we are prophecy of India being destroyed. Stop making joke of yourself. Conspiracy theorist also lay claim on Mecca and Medina being a Hindu temple.........

Stop dreaming and wake up. Go climb the tree for the apples or die starving waiting for some so called event of apples falling from the tree..

We are getting off the topic but let me mention that Ghawatulhind is not word of some saint or suffi, that's told to Muslim Ummah by Prophet Muhammad PBUH. So theories of 2000 or 2012 are not comparable to sayings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

You would be a believer if you try to find what has been told by Prophet Muhammad PBUH and how many of his predictions has come true by the time we are living in 2009. So even if you are a non-believer, you can use scientific methods to evaluate how accurate Islam has been.. and it is not just the prediction of Ghawaztulhind, it is chain of prediction about arrival of Antichrist (Dajal), Immam Mehdi and Prophet Isa Iban-e-Maryam (Jesus) PBUH.

Whether state has made this a polcity of not, Muslims all over the word believe that and when it will be the time, they will participate from 4 corners of the world. Its not going to be a usual war like 65 or 71, it will be the war in Which Mujahid from Iran, Afghanistan, Turky, Paksitan and Dakan (India) will take part. No wonder we see SIMI believing and working actively on it. We are getting close to Iran and Turky every passing day and it is needless to say how Afghan Jihadi take India.

Just to literate you, Nemat-Ullah-Shah Wali has described this Ghazwa more. According to him, Pakistan will loose 2/3rd of its territory to India and Indians forces will reach upto river of Attak. But the River of Attack will turn red 3 times with the blood of Indian solders and they will never be able to surpass it. Then Muslim Forces will push them back and Re-capture Lahore, Kashmir and Push Indian forces so deep that they will conquer area between Ganga and Jamna. Muslim Forces will conquer Dehli and Dehli will be Pak.

If you want to check credibility of Nemat-Ullah Shah Wali, you are welcome to have a look at his predictions and how many of them has been turned true already. Visit YouTube.com and type "Naimatullah Shah Wali" there.

Its not Nematullah Shah Wali that is our source of inspiration for Ghawaztulhind, it has been told by the Last Prophet of Allah and his sayings are as sacred to us as the Book of Allah.

 

[IndianSuperpower]

We are getting off the topic but let me mention that Ghawatulhind is not word of some saint or suffi, that's told to Muslim Ummah by Prophet Muhammad PBUH. So theories of 2000 or 2012 are not comparable to sayings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

You would be a believer if you try to find what has been told by Prophet Muhammad PBUH and how many of his predictions has come true by the time we are living in 2009. So even if you are a non-believer, you can use scientific methods to evaluate how accurate Islam has been.. and it is not just the prediction of Ghawaztulhind, it is chain of prediction about arrival of Antichrist (Dajal), Immam Mehdi and Prophet Isa Iban-e-Maryam (Jesus) PBUH.

Whether state has made this a polcity of not, Muslims all over the word believe that and when it will be the time, they will participate from 4 corners of the world. Its not going to be a usual war like 65 or 71, it will be the war in Which Mujahid from Iran, Afghanistan, Turky, Paksitan and Dakan (India) will take part. No wonder we see SEMI actively believing and working actively on it. We are getting to Iran and Turky every passing day you would know how Afghan Jihadis take India.

Just to literate you, Nemat-Ullah-Shah Wali has described this Ghazwa more. According to him, Pakistan will loose 2/3rd of its territory to India and Indians forces will reach upto river of Attak. But the River of Attack will turn red 3 times with the blood of Indian solders and they will never be able to surpass it. Then Muslim Forces will push them back and Re-capture Lahore, Kashmir and Push Indian forces so deep that they will conquer area between Ganga and Jamna. Muslim Forces will conquer Dehli and Dehli will be Pak.

If you want to check credibility of Nemat-Ullah Shah Wali, you are welcome to have a look at his predictions and how many of them has been turned true already. Visit YouTube.com and type "Naimatullah Shah Wali" there.

Its not Nematullah Shah Wali that is our source of inspiration for Ghawaztulhind, it has been told by the Last Prophet of Allah and his sayings are as sacred to us as the Book of Allah.

Good for you. Keep believing.
It is good for us that you believe in this.

We also have few couple of more than predictions like as that of Kalki Avtaar but we keep our state affairs away from it.

 

[dabong1]

The meeting also discussed matters relating to the release of funds against AJK PSDP for 2009-10, construction of Lower Topa-Kohala Express Way, provision of natural gas to Muzaffarabad, Rawalakot and Mirpur, enhancement in allocation for the Rathoa-Harryam Bridge Mirpur project and waiving off of conditions imposed on Payara Kashmir Program.

I cant wait for the gas.......electrics just not the same.

 

[Rajkumar]

We are getting off the topic but let me mention that Ghawatulhind is not word of some saint or suffi, that's told to Muslim Ummah by Prophet Muhammad PBUH. So theories of 2000 or 2012 are not comparable to sayings of Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

You would be a believer if you try to find what has been told by Prophet Muhammad PBUH and how many of his predictions has come true by the time we are living in 2009. So even if you are a non-believer, you can use scientific methods to evaluate how accurate Islam has been.. and it is not just the prediction of Ghawaztulhind, it is chain of prediction about arrival of Antichrist (Dajal), Immam Mehdi and Prophet Isa Iban-e-Maryam (Jesus) PBUH.

Whether state has made this a polcity of not, Muslims all over the word believe that and when it will be the time, they will participate from 4 corners of the world. Its not going to be a usual war like 65 or 71, it will be the war in Which Mujahid from Iran, Afghanistan, Turky, Paksitan and Dakan (India) will take part. No wonder we see SIMI believing and working actively on it. We are getting close to Iran and Turky every passing day and it is needless to say how Afghan Jihadi take India.

Just to literate you, Nemat-Ullah-Shah Wali has described this Ghazwa more. According to him, Pakistan will loose 2/3rd of its territory to India and Indians forces will reach upto river of Attak. But the River of Attack will turn red 3 times with the blood of Indian solders and they will never be able to surpass it. Then Muslim Forces will push them back and Re-capture Lahore, Kashmir and Push Indian forces so deep that they will conquer area between Ganga and Jamna. Muslim Forces will conquer Dehli and Dehli will be Pak.

If you want to check credibility of Nemat-Ullah Shah Wali, you are welcome to have a look at his predictions and how many of them has been turned true already. Visit YouTube.com and type "Naimatullah Shah Wali" there.

Its not Nematullah Shah Wali that is our source of inspiration for Ghawaztulhind, it has been told by the Last Prophet of Allah and his sayings are as sacred to us as the Book of Allah.

i hope PA dont believe in this.
its good to have faith and use it for greater good but its good to have brain(not gobar) also and use it for own good

 

[dabong1]

Conspiracy theorist also lay claim on Mecca and Medina being a Hindu temple.........

People did worship idols in mecca.

 

[dvk1982]

We will.. and Inshallah We Will. We are not in denial of Ghazwatulhind. You better keep your fingers crossed.

yeah yeah .. have those prophecies puck ur as*up.... and pray which is the only thing u can do...... warmonger...

 

[graphican]

Good for you. Keep believing.
It is good for us that you believe in this.

We also have few couple of more than predictions like as that of Kalki Avtaar but we keep our state affairs away from it.

My friend spend few hours in your Religious Library (Hindu Religious Libarary) and you would what you are expecting to arrive has already arrived. No wonder you will find features of Kalki Autar and Prophet Muhammad PBUH the exact and same.

Reference URL: Kalki Autar and Muhammad Sahab (S.)
And
Amininbox.googlepages.com

There are complete articles over scribed.com that has discussed Kalki Autar and Prophet Muhammad in Considerable detail. But for your ease, I am putting few of them over here.

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It is mentioned inBhagwat Purana Khand 1 Adhyay 3 Shloka 25:
“Then in the twilight of the Kali age, when kings will be as good as robbers, this protector of the world will be born of Vishnuyasa under the name Kalki“. The description of the Kalki Avatar i.e. the final Avatar is given in the verses Kalki Purana chapter 2 verses 4, 5, 7, 11 & 15.

1. Mother’s name Sumati i.e. Aaminah
The name of his mother will be Sumati (K.P.2: 4 & 11), which means gentle and thoughtful, Prophet Muhammad’s mother’s name was Aaminah, which means peaceful and gentle.

2. Father’s name Vishnuyash i.e. Abdullah.
His father’s name will be ‘Vishnuyash’ which means ‘worshipper of Vishnu’ i.e. ‘worshipper of God’. Muhammad’s father’s name was Abdullah which means ‘obedient worshipper of Allah i.e. God’.

3. Born in Sambhala i.e. Makkah
He will be born in a village called ‘Sambhala’ which means house of peace and security. Makkah is known as Darul Aman, which means house of peace and security.

4. Born in house of Chief Priest.
He will be born in the house of chief of the village Sambhala. Muhammad (pbuh) was born in the house of the chief of the Kaaba.

"So Kalki Avtar will take birth in 'Shambal Gram' in the house of brahmn Mahnt (religious leader) named Wishnu Wesh.
(Kalki Puran, Adhiyai 2, Ashlok 4),
(Bhagwat Puran, Skand 12, Adhyai 2, Ashlok 18)

BRAHMIN MAHANT mean spiritual and highly respected preist and Makkah’s highly respected preist was “Hasham”, then Hasham’s son “Abdul Mutlib” became the leading preist of Makkah, who was the grand father of prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Muhammad was born in home of Abdul Mutlib. In short, Muhammad was born in the respectable tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah.


5. Born on the 12th day of Madhav i.e. Rabi-ul-Awwal.
It is prophesied that Kalki Avtar will be born on the 12th day of the bright (first) half of the month of Madhav. It is a historical fact Muhammad (pbuh) was born on the 12th day of the bright half of the month of Rabi-ul-Awwal.

6. He will be the Antim or final Avatar
He has been described as the ‘Antim’ i.e. ‘the last and final’ of all the Avatars. The Qur’an also mentions:

DATE OF BIRTH OF KALKI AVTAR

"Kalki will born on 12th of month of Besakh (in 7th century)" (Kalki Puran, Adhiyai 2, Ashlok 15)

Besakh is famous month of Indian calendar. As per that calendar the date of birth of Mohammad (peace be upon him) is 12 Besakh 628 Bakrami. And that day as per Arabic calendar, Month Rabi I, year AlFeel and 2nd Monday. And this day was very pious near Hindus.
Date of birth of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) is exactly same in all history books.
THE PERIOD OF KALKI AVTAR

Kalki Avtar would ride horse, camel and keep the sword to kill the devil and enemies of religion.

It means that Kalki Avtar will be born in the time before present age when horse and camel were used for riding and sword was being used for fight. And in this period and in the coming future people will use cars, train & planes for riding and guns, missiles for fighting. We should not forget that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) used both horses & camels, and he fought with sword during battles against those who tried to eliminate the Muslims.


"Father of Kalki Avtar will die before his birth and his mother will die after some time of his birth."
(Kalki Puran & Bhagut Puran, Skand 12)
Father of the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) died 6 month before his birth and mother died 6 years after his birth.

DEATH OF KALKI AVTAR’S PARENTS

* Kalki Avtar’s Father will die before his birth and his Mother will die after few years of his birth. (Kalki Puran, Bhaghwat Puran Khand 12)
These two indications clearly fit on Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). His Father died earlier to his birth and his Mother died when Muhammad was only six year old. For reference please study the life history of prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

KALKI AVTAR WILL GET WISDOM ON A MOUNTAIN

According to Kalki Puran, the Kalki Avtar will receive wisdom or knowledge on a mountain’s cave from PERSHURAM (angel).

It is well known that Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) was often going to the cave Hira near Makkah (still present) and there one night Angel Gabriel brought the message of God, "Read with the name of God…." And this revelation process continued all his life. And Pershoram is name of an angel with Hindu religion who brings destruction for disbelievers. And one name for Gabriel is Ruh Al Quddus (Holy Spirit), which is synonym of Pershoram in Sanskrit.

For reference Holy Quran (96:1) “Read (Prophet Muhammad) with the name of Allah” and he replied “ I am not learned” the same indication was given in the Christian’s scripture (Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12) “ and the book delivered to him that is not learned, saying “ Read this”, I pray thee: and he said, I am not learned”, this is another prove of his prophecy. So prophet Muhammad received his first revelation in the cave of mountain HIRA. And this prediction also fits on him.

and list of similarities goes on and on. If you are honest in the quest of finding Kalki Autar, do spend few hours searching about him in your own Relegious Books and then compare them with the life of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. If you have pure heart, Brahma (Rehman) will show you the light.

 

[graphican]

i hope PA dont believe in this.
its good to have faith and use it for greater good but its good to have brain(not gobar) also and use it for own good

Guess what, PA is 99% Muslim!

I understand your reason to deny that and you are welcome to do so. But denial does not change the fate. Now I don't know even if you have faith in fate.

Stay cool buddy, it is not meant for you if you don't subscribe to Islam.. but Muslims all over the world need to be aware of saying of Prophet Muhammad PBUH including the one you hate to hear.

Just to make you bit curious, Holy Prophet PBUH had predicted that Muslims will conquer Iran (it has happened), Constantinople (it has happened) and Hind (....).

 

[Muradk]

Waist to time taking this issue infront of the UN. Done it been there but nothing WHY because we Pakistani are still in denial that Kashmir wants to be a part of Pakistan, They don't want to join us they want a separate state all together. And buy the time this sinks into our thick skulls we would have worsen our relations with India.

 

[UnitedPak]

Waist to time taking this issue infront of the UN. Done it been there but nothing WHY because we Pakistani are still in denial that Kashmir wants to be a part of Pakistan, They don't want to join us they want a separate state all together. And buy the time this sinks into our thick skulls we would have worsen our relations with India.

Bro, this is not about my wish to expand Pak borders. A lot of us have links to Kashmir and my heart bleeds whenever I see headlines of Kashmiris being killed, the women raped, the people surrounded by a million troops 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, mass graves uncovered every couple of months.

Maybe I would feel slightly damn better if a single responsible Indian spoke against the savagery that takes place there. But it seems to be a crime in India to address Kashmiri grievances. People who do address crimes against Kashmiris (who mostly happen to be Kashmmiri themselves) end up dead, imprisoned or exiled.

Kashmir is a concentration camp in every sense of the word. A concentration camp proudly supported by the people of India in a bid to restore some imaginary Akhand Bharat.
This is state sponsored terrorism at its finest. Indians have made it perfectly clear that they dont intend to change anything.

I dont care if Kashmir becomes independent or even joins China. As long as their occupation ends.

 

[Omar1984]

Waist to time taking this issue infront of the UN. Done it been there but nothing WHY because we Pakistani are still in denial that Kashmir wants to be a part of Pakistan, They don't want to join us they want a separate state all together. And buy the time this sinks into our thick skulls we would have worsen our relations with India.

An independent Kashmir is much better than a Bharat Occupied Kashmir.

 

[MilesTogo]

I say let us free all Indian Muslims at once and be done with it. Let them make one more Pakistan and live in peace as current Pakistan is doing.