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[Ras]

I somehow doubt that anyone can raise pro Kashmir liberation slogans in any other part of India outside Kashmir. That would provoke a pretty nasty reaction from the locals.

 

[GreenStar]

Thankyou Karan, I appreciate the links.

 

[wap7]

yup, it's an official agency based there (in Kashmir)

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[EjazR]

@Ras
Not really, India is pretty tolerant and allows even sepratists to raise their voice as long as they do peacefully.

Most of the protests were peaceful and around stopping killings of civilians in Kashmir. Many locals muslims and non-muslims joined them in Banglaore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Delhi and Pune among other places.

It might be surprising to Pakistanis,but Indian civil society has been more concerned of the killings than other foreign countries be they OIC or even Pakistan as they rightly should be.

 

[Undivided Kashmir]

IOC paper tiger - nothing more.

 

[Ras]

@Ras
Not really, India is pretty tolerant and allows even sepratists to raise their voice as long as they do peacefully.

Most of the protests were peaceful and around stopping killings of civilians in Kashmir. Many locals muslims and non-muslims joined them in Banglaore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Delhi and Pune among other places.

It might be surprising to Pakistanis,but Indian civil society has been more concerned of the killings than other foreign countries be they OIC or even Pakistan as they rightly should be.

Ya sure...but I doubt they raised pro liberation slogans. That would be a lightening rod for certain parties in India especially if raised by Muslim majority crowds.

 

[matti]

the solution is very easy, get the **** out of Kashmir. Kashmiris dont want you there.

 

[EjazR]

the solution is very easy, get the **** out of Kashmir. Kashmiris dont want you there.

But the J&K police are local people.They have families and relatives there. Why should they leave?

If you are talking about military deployment in population areas, yes that should be reduced but the police is not going to go anywhere.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

implement this to b4 1947 condition,to baluchistan,tibet etc.u will know how u will give them freedom.

I know being a balouch we will join with Pakistan its our motherland

Try tht in Assam where they hoisted This flag as well as IOK

 

[gurjot]

I know being a balouch we will join with Pakistan its our motherland

Try tht in Assam where they hoisted This flag as well as IOK

let them do this,pak flag is also burnt in baluchistan(have seen in video)

 

[DesiGuy]

SRINAGAR: A day after Hurriyat hawk Syed Ali Shah Geelani spurned home minister P Chidambaram's dialogue offer, moderate separatist Mirwaiz Umar Farooq on Sunday followed suit, saying the talks will have no meaning because the Union government is "lacking in sincerity".

Geelani, meanwhile, asked New Delhi to fulfil the promise of giving Kashmiris the right to self-determination. "Pandit Nehru promised Kashmiris the chance to decide their fate in 1948, but never fulfilled the promise," he said. "Nehru showed the sky but snatched the ground beneath our feet." He asked people to observe Pakistan's foundation day as "a day of solidarity" on August 14 and called for observing August 15 as a "black day".

The 37-year-old Mirwaiz said he had proposed specific measures like demilitarisation, revocation of repressive laws and release of political prisoners to build trust to take the dialogue process forward and provide much-needed relief to the people. "But, unfortunately, these demands were not heeded," he said.

This showed New Delhi's lack of sincerity, the Mirwaiz said, which in turn has discredited the institution of talks. "In less than two months, around 50 people, mostly children and teenagers, have been killed and all forms of repression are in place," he said, and added, "Where's the scope for engagement when a virtual reign of terror has been let loose on the people demanding their basic rights?"

Geelani and the Mirwaiz haven't, in the past, agreed on engagement with the Centre, and the hardline octogenarian Geelani even broke away from Hurriyat when the Mirwaiz-led separatists held two rounds of talks with the BJP-led NDA government, which first brought the separatists to the negotiating table in January and June 2003.

The UPA government picked up the threads and held separate talks with the Hurriyat, JKLF leader Yasin Malik and People's Conference chief Sajjad Lone in late 2005 and early 2006. A "quiet dialogue" between the Mirwaiz and the Centre broke abruptly after Hurriyat leader Fazlul-haq Qureshi was critically injured in an attack in Srinagar earlier this year. Qureshi was seen as a facilitator of the engagement and had earlier brokered talks with Hizbul Mujahideen.

The Mirwaiz said India and Pakistan were clear on their terms of engagement with the Hurriyat. "(They were) based on two principles: All parties recognised Kashmir as a dispute and displayed willingness to resolve it (and) that dialogue was a way forward to the issue's final settlement in accordance with the people's wishes and also taking into account the positions of India and Pakistan," the Mirwaiz said.

Meanwhile, Geelani met a delegation of Srinagar-based Kashmiri Pandits, who complained of harassment, and assured them safety. "Geelani became emotional and told us that we're a part of Kashmir and our safety is the majority's community's primary duty," Srinagar-based Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti leader Sanjay Tickoo told TOI. "Geelani told us that if anything happens to us, it would be like a wound inflicted on his body," added Tickoo.

Cheer Pak's I-Day, mark Aug 15 as black day: Geelani - India - The Times of India

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Kashmir youths take on the Indian state as separatist struggle starts again​

Kashmir’s hospitals have been inundated with youths injured and killed by the security forces following an upsurge in violent clashes in the disputed Indian state.​

By Dean Nelson in Srinagar
Published: 9:40PM BST 08 Aug 2010

Dr Waseem Quereshi said his staff had treated 57 young men mainly in their teens in the last week Photo: REX

Separatist leaders warned that human rights abuses in Kashmir was creating a new generation of angry teenage militants dedicated to confrontation with the Indian security forces.

The government lifted a curfew in the Kashmir Valley yesterday with the hope of luring separatist leaders into talks.

But the offer has been rejected by groups that insist India withdraws its security forces.

Violence broke out in April when three young Muslims were killed by Army troops who claimed they were "unidentified foreign militants."

Their families said they had been murdered in staged "encounter" killings by soldiers to pass themselves off as heroes.

Dr Waseem Quereshi of Srinagar's Sri Maharajah Hari Singh Hospital said his staff had treated 57 young men mainly in their teens in the last week.

All but three had been shot by the security forces and four had died.

One was nine year old Sameer Ahmad Rah whose father told The Daily Telegraph his son had been beaten to death by paramilitaries from India's Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF).

"He wanted to visit his uncle's house about 100 metres away. He had taken a safe route there through the lane. Some CRPF men hiding behind a shop grabbed him and beat him. He screamed and the neighbours saw two of them beating my son with sticks. One pushed his stick into his mouth," said Fayaz Ahmad Rah.

"Violence is not the answer. We are bare-handed, we don't have arms, but we will fight them. It's not just my son who was killed," he said.

A CRPF spokesman denied the allegation and said Sameer had been trampled in a stampede when police and CRPF troops chased protestors. "It's a very unfortunate story," he said.

Mirwaiz Umar Farooq, a leader of the separatist All-Parties Hurriyat Conference, who is under house arrest, said deaths like that of Sameer were raising a new generation of young Kashmiris filled with hate for India.

"If your son is beaten to death, tell me you wouldn't be the first to burn down a symbol of India?" he said. The protests are a "rebound effect of a generation born into conflict. Today they take to the streets, defiant and disgusted and fearless of death".

Ali Mohammed Sagar, the state government's law minister, said there had been "excesses" by the security forces, but protestors had burned police stations and attacked government property.

"There are some excesses, firing was unwarranted, no doubt about that, there are black sheep everywhere. There are some problems, killing of kids," he said. "There are killings which are unprovoked, but some of our people tried to set fire to a police station. Peaceful demonstrations are no problem, but when it becomes violent, that creates a problem."

Kashmir youths take on the Indian state as separatist struggle starts again - Telegraph

 

[S_O_C_O_M]

Indian Army's conduct in IHK worse than Israel's in Palestine ​

Monday, August 09, 2010

By Iftikhar Gilani
JERUSALAM: Israeli military officers facing international criticism for alleged human rights violations in the Palestinian territory were shocked to hear an Indian Army general narrating his experiences in Indian-held Kashmir.

Daniel Reisner, chief of the International Law Department of the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF), said an Indian general shocked him by telling that every house in IHK that was suspected to have weapons could be barged in to and were the weapons found, the residents could be treated as terrorists engaged in or aiding the insurgency.

In an interaction last week with a group of visiting Indian journalists, Reisner said he told the Indian general, "We (Israelis), although are deemed bad in the world's eyes, cannot not take this recourse."

Reisner has been a senior member of Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak's delegation that undertook the failed Camp David talks in July 2000.

Amongst his current responsibilities is investigation or prosecution of Israeli soldiers for civil and human rights violations during the Palestinian Intifada in the occupied territories.

While on one hand the Indian government has been officially asking Israel to observe restraint, the Indian military is teaching Israeli Defence Forces to deal strictly with Palestinians on the other, even telling them to break their (Palestinians') doors and homes, advocating unrestrained and irrational operations.

Israel is now the second biggest source of arms for India and may soon overtake Russia as its number-one arms' supplier.

The Indian Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) recently issued a spate of statements criticising Israel for the use of force against Palestinians.

An MEA press release said, "It is disappointing to note that the use of disproportionate force (by Israel) is resulting in a large number of civilian casualties (in Gaza) on the one hand and the escalating violence on the other. This continued use of indiscriminate force is unwarranted and condemnable. The government of India urges utmost restraint (by Israel) so as to give peace a chance as the peace process may well get derailed irreversibly."

Either the Indian Foreign Office has little knowledge of what their defence forces are doing in IHK, or it does not know what their generals are teaching in Israel against Palestinians. Reisner's revelations between Indian and Israeli generals surprised Indian journalists.

Israel, according to Reisner, stopped dealing with such attacks as a law and order problem and hardened its response during Intifada-II of 2000.

He wrote new rules of engagement when Palestinians started using guns and missiles instead of stones, which was a hallmark of Intifada-I of 1987.

Reisner said that the Israelis, from their experience, told the Indian generals that their army's policies in IHK would not work unless they wanted to cut-off their civilian adversaries altogether.

Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

It is possible that some evil army men may have killed people to get promotions.
while i sympathise with victim's parents i don't think they should turn against country. They should make complaint to army and can protest in the streets also but against establishment or leadership.their fight should against guilty and who ever shield the guilty india as a country is not their enemy and burning of national flag will not be tolerated.

 

[Awesome]

There is no justification to kill a nine year old, the Kashmiris want the Indian rule from Kashmir to end. Sooner or later, every household in Kashmir will start fighting the Indian security forces.